Nobody shares Pakistan’s vision for Afghanistan:Walter Mead.

[ajtr]

so while you celebrate having a shared vision, you fail to see what Pakistan and Afghanistan to celebrate.

So please tell us what you celebrate?????40000 bodies and counting 18 more till yesterday....or is that what you call sacrifice or price you paid for having your wattage and vision in other country.

 

[airmarshal]

Fail to understand. How can Pakistan's vision for Afghanistan, with which it shares one of the longest borders, be unrealistic while US which is essentially an occupier from thousands of miles, has a realistic vision?

 

[Bang Galore]

Fail to understand. How can Pakistan's vision for Afghanistan, with which it shares one of the longest borders, be unrealistic while US which is essentially an occupier from thousands of miles, has a realistic vision?

That's exactly the point. You are no neutral observer.

 

[ajtr]

Fail to understand. How can Pakistan's vision for Afghanistan, with which it shares one of the longest borders, be unrealistic while US which is essentially an occupier from thousands of miles, has a realistic vision?

How can any other country have vision for afghanistan except citizens themselves.Its like saying india having vision for pakistan

 

[Pakistanisage]

Walter Russell Mead speaks like a true ZIONIST. There is a reason why he was awarded Henry A Kissinger senior fellow for US Foreign Policy at COUNCIL OF FOREIGN RELATIONS ( a well known bastion of Zionism ). These damn Zionist have just one goal and that is to spread misinformation and lies about US Foreign Policy.

That's exactly the point. You are no neutral observer.

And neither are you Pal.....

 

[airuah]

Fail to understand. How can Pakistan's vision for Afghanistan, with which it shares one of the longest borders, be unrealistic while US which is essentially an occupier from thousands of miles, has a realistic vision?

Thats because Pakistan's vision for Afganistan is "Pakistan centric" rather than being "Afgan Centric".....Pakistan does not care for astable Afganistan nor the well being of its citizens..it only wants to ensure that "India does not befriend it"- even if that ment the destruction of Afganistan or its people........Pakistan's vision is totally opposite of what the Afgans want for their country.

while every other country wishes otherwise....they want a stable Afganistan and its people to prosper which is Afgan centric -----this is again a vested interest of all those countries but this vision also coincides with the interest of Afganisan's people

thirdly---Pakistan does not have a vision for itself while it tries to have one for Afganistan.....all on Pakistans policies have been short term ones and were never long term, every politician/army general has distorted the fabric of Pakistan just for a short term success in his policies without looking at the long term consequences........some of the Pakistani people still believe that their vision for Pakistan has been acheived when they developed the nuclear bomb....they dont think beyond that.....

 

[SBD-3]

Thats because Pakistan's vision for Afganistan is "Pakistan centric" rather than being "Afgan Centric".....Pakistan does not care for astable Afganistan nor the well being of its citizens..it only wants to ensure that "India does not befriend it"- even if that ment the destruction of Afganistan or its people........Pakistan's vision is totally opposite of what the Afgans want for their country.

sigh.........A gross misunderstanding of concept of interests leads to this. If i may remind you, how many afghans have died by Pakistani shelling or even as if we count taliban as well? and on the contrary how many have died by the in-discriminatory bombing of US and its Allies? much more than so associated with Pakistan or Taliban. US has deliberately allowed breathing spaces to Talibans. Free to operate in Nurustan and other provinces. Thats not how things are done. Its funny how grossly afhganistan is dumped on Pakistan. Its Pakistan which continues to support Afghan refugees, none else. So if you're so called, "afghan centric" then do ask Pakistan to transfer these refugees to your country, we will be more than glad to oblige.
Taliban Mujahideen attack and capture American Base in Nuristan Province ABCNEWS.flv - YouTube

while every other country wishes otherwise....they want a stable Afganistan and its people to prosper which is Afgan centric -----this is again a vested interest of all those countries but this vision also coincides with the interest of Afganisan's people

Like i said before, Would Pakistan like to see a volatile Afghanistan? No way, Its just the perspective about how stabilization can be achieved. Had stabilization in Afghanistan be an easy task (like what US did in Iraq), US would have been out of Afghanistan long ago. Unlike Iraq where there was only one power, Afghanistan has multiple strong centers of powers with wide ideological conflicts. See the interviews of Birtish and US soldiers
U.S. Soldiers talk about the Taliban - YouTube
UK Soldier Speaking Before His Death By Afghan Mujahidin In Helmand Afghanistan - YouTube
Live fight!! Afghan Mujahidin battle UK occupaying forces in Helmand Afghanistan - YouTube

thirdly---Pakistan does not have a vision for itself while it tries to have one for Afganistan.....all on Pakistans policies have been short term ones and were never long term, every politician/army general has distorted the fabric of Pakistan just for a short term success in his policies without looking at the long term consequences........some of the Pakistani people still believe that their vision for Pakistan has been acheived when they developed the nuclear bomb....they dont think beyond that.....

Incorrect, had it all been short term we would have been anywhere closer where we stand today (even though we are still considerabally away from where we could be). Its a famous misconception fed to Indians about Pakistan. Even with all the so called growth, Indians haven been able to do much on the path of development. Even in development, corruption and economic Indicators India and Pakistan are not ages apart (almost identical in some cases). Indian government has overdosed the common Indians with the bliss pill of Shining India whereas the gainers from the shine have been very select (Industrial Families who have made most of the fortune). But anyways, No doubt Pakistan can be and InshaAllah will be improved.

 

[my2cents]

How can any other country have vision for afghanistan except citizens themselves.Its like saying india having vision for pakistan

India vision for Pakistan - a progressive liberal democratic society
India vision for India-- a progressive liberal democratic society

Pakistan vision for Afghanistan-- a conservative Islamic society
Pakistan vision for Pakistan--a conservative Islamic society

 

[SBD-3]

India vision for Pakistan - a progressive liberal democratic society
India vision for India-- a progressive liberal democratic society

Pakistan vision for Afghanistan-- a conservative Islamic society
Pakistan vision for Pakistan--a conservative Islamic society

a small amendment
India vision for Pakistan - Why is this country still standing?
India vision for India-- No time since obsessed with Pakistan 24/7/30/360

 

[Shahin Vatani]

Only Afghans can decide the future vision of Afghanistan. Nobody else counts.

 

[my2cents]

a small amendment
India vision for Pakistan - Why is this country still standing?
India vision for India-- No time since obsessed with Pakistan 24/7/30/360

Actually, the reverse is also true

Pakistan vision for India-- Your secularism is a sham and you will disintegrate into small countries.

 

[xyxmt]

only Pakistan has a realistic solution for Afghanistan, all others just hoping to suddenly get all afghan people converted to english speaking christians. A leading thinker my @ss!!

 

[The SC]

India vision for Pakistan - a progressive liberal democratic society
India vision for India-- a progressive liberal democratic society

Pakistan vision for Afghanistan-- a conservative Islamic society
Pakistan vision for Pakistan--a conservative Islamic society

And what is the reality of Afghanistan, the Muslim country?
Does any Muslim country needs... a progressive liberal democratic society model from India the most backward nation on earth, while they have their own progressive liberal democratic system model from Islam it self.

India's aim in Afghanistan it to surround and contain Pakistan, but since it is mostly on heroin, this is a far fetched and very unrealistic possibility in the Muslim region.

 

[airmarshal]

How can any other country have vision for afghanistan except citizens themselves.Its like saying india having vision for pakistan

The post is talking about 'vision'. The interview and the context in which Pakistan was mentioned was this 'vision'.

US has a 'vision' for every country in the world. You accept that 'vision' lying down. That vision is essentially to destroy any country which remotely stands a chance to stand up to the world order that suits US and the gang.

If Pakistan is unrealistic about this, then no other country is realistic. In fact without Pakistan, US staying in Afghanistan is not sustainable.

 

[KRAIT]

You put Sun Tzu's words as your signature while you rant like a girl and same old trolls. I am sure you didn't even read his works.

Move on kiddo, not your playing ground. Talking against India and using same old words may win you cheap points and thanks. may be that's your goal.

Present some valid points. Our so called backward country is still there and developing, deal with it, your whining doesn't mean anything.

For India, Afghanistan means,opening western front for Pakistan to think about which it had never did, even if its on small scale. As far as your Muslim nations theory goes, KSA and Iran are Muslim countries. Now, go figure.