Nobody shares Pakistan’s vision for Afghanistan:Walter Mead.

[xyxmt]

Otherwise you will again make them terrorist training center

you think you are joking, we are deadly serious

 

[my2cents]

simple, an afghanistan where India has no influence and that can only happen if minority northern alliance has no role to very minimum role in the future. If that happens Afghanistan has 80% chances of becoming a stable country otherwise the status quo goes on

Why do guy worry about Indian influence in Afghanistan?? We only have business motives, no strategics motives. That's why afghani people welcomed us in the first place. Anyway they have every right to decide who their friends going to be.

You guys tried changing the dynamics of Afghanistan with your good friend USA and see what good has it done for you. Afghanistan will remain a quagmire unless and until the tribal provincial councils hold, is broken. But we all know how fiercely independent these tribal councils are and to what extent they will go to guard their territorial claims. Even the British could not dislodge the tribal monopoly. All I see is you are digging a bigger hole than you are already in. When you are in a hole, stop digging. Good luck!!!

 

[ajtr]

Every stupid talks about China,Iran,India,Pakistan,Russia,USA...etc's vision for Afganistan.no body talks about the Afghanistani's vision for itself ie strategic depth in Pakistan.

 

[my2cents]

Every stupid talks about China,Iran,India,Pakistan,Russia,USA...etc's vision for Afganistan.no body talks about the Afghanistani's vision for itself ie strategic depth in Pakistan.

You are forgetting that Pakistan is nuclear and far advanced to Afghanistan. For all you know Afghanistan army is rag tag army put together by Nato. What strategic depth does Afghanistan exert on its neighbours that will make you stand up and take notice????

 

[Spring Onion]

We haven’t heard either the President or Romney talk a lot about Afghanistan in the last few months. Why do you think?

The President has announced a policy on Afghanistan, and it’s interesting, he doesn’t seem to want to talk about that policy much. I wish he would say more. When you’ve got American troops fighting somewhere, you need to explain to people, including the families of the troops, what you hope they will do and how important it is. But I think the President feels he’s set the war on a strategic course, in line with what he said he would do, and the next point will be when it’s time to start withdrawing troops, is that still going to be possible, what will the schedule be, what kind of political negotiations will be taking place.


Obviously they’re pursuing consultations with a whole range of partners, some very intensive consultations are going on, not only with Pakistan but with a whole host of regional governments that have an interest, others, and possibly they feel that nothing is to be gained by talking about this; they just need to keep advancing the policy. Obviously it leaves an empty space, while you have a war that’s going on and you’re not talking about the war


When India and the US had the strategic dialogue a couple of months back, the criticism was that ‘the old magic’ was missing. What’s the focus now in the relationship?


…The average American will need to have some understanding of what the United States is trying to do, and it’s the job of the President in my view to tell people what we’re doing and why it’s important …But because we haven’t been having this national discussion over the shift to Asia, American-Indian relations are taking place without this kind of public discussion and scrutiny that would ultimately strengthen the policy and strengthen the relationship, so in the American election campaign, when people talk about India they talk about outsourcing, rather than about a whole range of interests that in fact tie the countries together.…Maybe it would be more accurate to say that the US-India honeymoon has ended, but we’re not drifting apart; the relationship is getting closer and deeper. The interests that are binding us together are becoming more important to both countries. So yes we’re going to argue about outsourcing or retail, there are a whole lot of things India doesn’t like about American policy and there are a whole lot of things the U.S. doesn’t like about Indian policy, and we will continue to have these discussions.There is a constant tug within the Indian system not to be seen as aligning with the US against China…

I know that there was an issue over the liability clause in the nuclear deal. Today I read in the papers that the Russians are saying the exact same things that the American did. The Russians thought they had an understanding and it turns out they don’t have an understanding and naturally are upset. So, I don’t know that because India changes its mind on something and the other people make an issue of that in negotiations, the other people are responsible for the political problem. That’s certainly one point of view. I think maybe all of us, including the Indians need to learn how to deal with this as for the foreseeable future, India is going to have coalition governments. This is a problem for not just New Delhi but for anyone wanting to negotiate with New Delhi too. As Henry Kissinger used to say about the European Union once, “who do I call up when I want to talk to Europe?”The Hindu : Opinion / Interview : "Nobody shares Pakistan

There are far more important points in this wirte-up then merely focusing on one sentence about Pakistan

I would like to discuss these points but for the timebeing leaving the readers with the highlighted bold parts in the above which are enough to prove that how things are and how much Pakistan or any other party matters in this conflict.

 

[ajtr]

You are forgetting that Pakistan is nuclear and far advanced to Afghanistan. For all you know Afghanistan army is rag tag army put together by Nato. What strategic depth does Afghanistan exert on its neighbours that will make you stand up and take notice????

Whats going on for last decade is Taliban's strategic depth in FATA

 

[Spring Onion]

Every stupid talks about China,Iran,India,Pakistan,Russia,USA...etc's vision for Afganistan.no body talks about the Afghanistani's vision for itself ie strategic depth in Pakistan.

The kind of strategic depth, if any would be, would be driven by Indian designs against Pakistan.

As far as Afghanistan's vision is frankly nobody has ever considered it including the US whom some elite non-Pashtun Afghanistanis are banking on.

For the normal Afghans/Afghanistanis, a vision would be a country sans any interference by any country with economic activities going on.

 

[Ticker]

Every stupid talks about China,Iran,India,Pakistan,Russia,USA...etc's vision for Afganistan.no body talks about the Afghanistani's vision for itself ie strategic depth in Pakistan.

A nuclear power like Pakistan does not need strategic depth and that too in Afghanistan.

Do you mean to say that if we are defeated by India, we will run into Afghanistan and continue fighting from there.

Have a heart.

C'mon @ajtr, raise your level of analysis.

 

[Ticker]

Irrespective of the strategies and visions professed by US and the West, they can not ignore a strong country like Pakistan. For implementation of any vision or strategy for Afghanistan, cooperation of Pakistan would be the fundamental requirement and its success would require Pakistan's agreement.

After losing 40,000 Pakistanis, if anybody thinks that they can achieve long term stability in Afghanistan without taking into account Pakistan's concerns lives in a fool's paradise.

 

[ajtr]

A nuclear power like Pakistan does not need strategic depth and that too in Afghanistan.

Do you mean to say that if we are defeated by India, we will run into Afghanistan and continue fighting from there.

Have a heart.

C'mon @ajtr, raise your level of analysis.

you woke up so early...........

 

[Riteon]

Irrespective of the strategies and visions professed by US and the West, they can not ignore a strong country like Pakistan. For implementation of any vision or strategy for Afghanistan, cooperation of Pakistan would be the fundamental requirement and its success would require Pakistan's agreement.

After losing 40,000 Pakistanis, if anybody thinks that they can achieve long term stability in Afghanistan without taking into account Pakistan's concerns lives in a fool's paradise.

It depends on the failure of TTP ,success of Taliban and the afghan ppl remaining Propakistan........

 

[Ticker]

you woke up so early...........

Yeah ..... normal wake up time. Biological clock timed with local PST.

And don't you ever go to sleep. Or like a bat, you sleep during the day

 

[Paan Singh]

Irrespective of the strategies and visions professed by US and the West, they can not ignore a strong country like Pakistan. For implementation of any vision or strategy for Afghanistan, cooperation of Pakistan would be the fundamental requirement and its success would require Pakistan's agreement.

After losing 40,000 Pakistanis, if anybody thinks that they can achieve long term stability in Afghanistan without taking into account Pakistan's concerns lives in a fool's paradise.

Oh nahi ji,You have bad habit of bringing pakistan in every manner either by hook or crook

Let the U.S to sort out the mess of iran n syria and discussion with russia on NDN is under process...

Next turn is urs ... ...

Either iran is with U.S or iran is gone...i will bet on 99% chances of first case

 

[Ticker]

It depends on the failure of TTP ,success of Taliban and the afghan ppl remaining Propakistan........

TTP wont be successful, though it may remain a nuisance for some time.

Though Afghani people's pro-Pakistan stance would certainly help, it is not a necessity. The real-politik does not cater for emotions, it just understands the ground realities. And the ground realities are that without Pakistan's nod, peace can not return and be sustained in Afghanistan. Pakistan's concerns will have to be addressed for a sustained and long term settlement of Afghan issue and by corollary, peaceful environment in Central Asia. Pakistan's exercises strong leverages and is an active player in the region.

Oh nahi ji,You have bad habit of bringing pakistan in every manner either by hook or crook

Let the U.S to sort out the mess of iran n syria and discussion with russia on NDN is under process...

Next turn is urs ... ...

Either iran is with U.S or iran is gone...i will bet on 99% chances of first case

We will be next only if we can not play our cards well. I am sure we will not be next. itnay saaray bumb hein hamaray paas, agar ham ne 5-6, 5-6 kar kay bahot saaray doosron ko de diye to puri duniya mein museebat parrh jayegi. Indians call it nuclear blackmail.

However, Iran ka number aanay wala hai.

 

[Riteon]

TTP wont be successful, though it may remain a nuisance for some time.

Though Afghani people's pro-Pakistan stance would certainly help, it is not a necessity. The real-politik does not cater for emotions, it just understands the ground realities. And the ground realities are that without Pakistan's nod, peace can not return and be sustained in Afghanistan. Pakistan's concerns will have to be addressed for a sustained and long term settlement of Afghan issue and by corollary, peaceful environment in Central Asia. Pakistan's exercises strong leverages and is an active player in the region.



We will be next only if we can not play our cards well. I am sure we will not be next. itnay saaray bumb hein hamaray paas, agar ham ne 5-6, 5-6 kar kay nahot saaray doosron ko de diye to puri duniya mein museebat parrh jayegi. Indians call it nuclear blackmail.

However, Iran ka number aanay wala hai.

Paksitan was a strong player. its influence is decreasing with the fall of taliban . The USAID to Pak military is redcuing , soft loan from china increasing, Aid to Afghanistan is increasing , Indian influence is slowly building up, Palns to circumvent Pakistan ports thru Iran is being undertaken by India, Anti pak Elements in Afghan are being allowed to foster in Afghanistan.

the only way Pak can hold its sway if if it succeeds in destabilising Afghanistan after Nato withdrawal and at the same time eliminate the ttp, take back complete control of FATA and rout in indian and US humint