"No", says Lavrov on Sino-Russian alliance

[nahtanbob]

Ignorance displayed.

The Ground Reality

Russian and Chinese bombers fly joint patrol over Pacific

MOSCOW (AP) — Russian and Chinese bombers flew a joint patrol mission over the Western Pacific Tuesday in a show of increasingly close military ties between Moscow and Beijing.

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It does not mean much

 

[Bambi]

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It does not mean much

They still claim Vladivostok

The Chinese tourists go Thier thinking they
Own the place
they also want many other places under Russia

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China's Border Claims - The Statesman

Until 1951, China had no ongoing suzerainty over Tibet. During the rule of the Manchus over China, Sino-Tibetans relations were cordial. So much so that in 1728, Chinese imperial troops helped to quell a civil war in Tibet. When Tibet had to face wars with Ladakh in 1842 and with the Gurkhas in...

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It will never happen some other places china wants

Russia had also deployed troops on china just last year on an Invasion


Violence

 

[aziqbal]

meanwhile Russians hate Chinese and Chinese are looking at Russia as a friend

Chinese targeted in Russia raids as coronavirus fears spread

Chinese targeted in Russia raids as coronavirus fears spread

Human rights advocates condemn an effort to identify Chinese citizens on public transport in Moscow as racial profiling.

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[PeaceGen]

China-Russia alliance can never work, despite US rivalry, observers say

• Beijing and Moscow are keen to boost cooperation and reduce their reliance on the US dollar, but ‘forging an alliance with Russia is not the best choice for China’, academic Cheng Yijun says
• ‘We should not forget that China’s rise is also a threat to Russia,’ he says

China’s Foreign Minister Wang Yi and his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov meet in Guilin on Tuesday. Photo: Reuters
China and Russia have presented a united front in denouncing US-led sanctions
against them but observers say there are limits to how close the giant neighbours can get.
“There is no doubt that the two countries are walking closer under the pressure from the US, but there are more differences than common ground between them,” Cheng Yijun, a specialist in China-Russia relations at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, said.

“Forging an alliance with Russia is not the best choice for China.”
At a meeting in the south China city of Guilin on Tuesday, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi and his Russian counterpart Sergey Lavrov said they opposed unilateral sanctions and would find a way to counter them.


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China’s Foreign Minister Wang Yi and his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov meet in Guilin on Tuesday. Photo: Reuters
China and Russia
have presented a united front in
denouncing US-led sanctions
against them but observers say there are limits to how close the giant neighbours can get.
“There is no doubt that the two countries are walking closer under the pressure from the US, but there are more differences than common ground between them,” Cheng Yijun, a specialist in China-Russia relations at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, said.
“Forging an alliance with Russia is not the best choice for China.”
At a meeting in the south China city of Guilin on Tuesday, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi and his Russian counterpart Sergey Lavrov said they opposed unilateral sanctions and would find a way to counter them.

Both nations have faced challenges to their European ambitions recently.


During a visit to Brussels to meet foreign ministers from Nato countries,
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken
told his German counterpart that firms involved in the Nord Stream 2 pipeline – designed to carry natural gas from Russia to Germany – could face sanctions.

Russia and China were Nato’s biggest threats, he said, and called on America’s allies to “counter some of China’s aggressive and coercive actions”.

China-Russia alliance can never work, despite US rivalry, observers say

Beijing and Moscow are keen to boost cooperation and reduce their reliance on the US dollar, but ‘forging an alliance with Russia is not the best choice for China’, academic Cheng Yijun says.

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You seriously expect us to believe this load of misinformation?! hahaha..

The Russian-Chinese-Iranian alliance is *very* real, and based on a common enemy (NATO and the free world), aside from that pesky communism link between Beijing and Moscow..

Evidence? The arms being traded on the cheap between these nations.

 

[Constantin84]

The only alliance that would make sense would be EU and Russia.Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok.

 

[flowerfan2020]

China and Russia doesnt want to sign an alliance because it would throw the would into a new cold war. Just about everyone knows that and they have said that many times. Low IQ Indian op posters show their inability to understand simple concepts yet again.

There's a reason why their country still in shit hole.

 

[striver44]

You seriously expect us to believe this load of misinformation?! hahaha..

The Russian-Chinese-Iranian alliance is *very* real, and based on a common enemy (NATO and the free world), aside from that pesky communism link between Beijing and Moscow..

Evidence? The arms being traded on the cheap between these nations.

Err, I never forced anyone to believe in anything.

But if you're interested.

 

[Muhammed45]

They are allies anyways. Militarily, geographically and economically. They have a huge overlap of national interests. Both are ancient, strong and independent nations hence free from western colony.
If they loudly said we are allied and we want to compete with NATO then itd surely weaken their alliance also itd divide the world into blocks which will in return make it hard for China to conquer European markets. Lavrov is a noble politician, he knows how to keep an alliance untouched.

 

[PeaceGen]

Err, I never forced anyone to believe in anything.

But if you're interested.

thank you. i watched the whole thing, but i disagree with the premise that the systemic tensions betwen Russia and China prevent an under-the-table alliance between the two.

You see, over here in the west not a great deal of people are as of yet a fan of multi-polarity. I personally am a fan of it, but i don't see that expressed in the views of our politicians or even people that i meet here.
And as such, there's much to be had for an alliance between Beijing and Moscow.

I strongly suspect that both Beijing and Moscow will try to play both cards. Publicly say there's no alliance, while on the ground there very much will be.

 

[striver44]

thank you. i watched the whole thing, but i disagree with the premise that the systemic tensions betwen Russia and China prevent an under-the-table alliance between the two.

You see, over here in the west not a great deal of people are as of yet a fan of multi-polarity. I personally am a fan of it, but i don't see that expressed in the views of our politicians or even people that i meet here.
And as such, there's much to be had for an alliance between Beijing and Moscow.

I strongly suspect that both Beijing and Moscow will try to play both cards. Publicly say there's no alliance, while on the ground there very much will be.

Difference in opinion is OK, sure both are considered "allies" when seen from the perspective of shared geopolitical ambition of a multilateral world order, but there's more needed for a commitments like a true alliance to go smoothly. here's a few outtakes on Sino-Russian alliance and why it would never be officially ratified

• although both are military peers at the moment. Russia's military spending has fall behind that of China, in 2017 in a stark reminder of both nation trajectory, China made the world absolute largest increase in defense budget while Russia is the complete opposite.
• Chinese are illegally reverse engineering Russian weaps technology, thereby making Russia in a difficult position.
• China economic and geopolitical clout absolutely dwarfs that of Russia.
• Thereby in time Russian would be a sub-ordinate to China in this supposed "alliance"
• Both countries position themselves as a civilizational state in which playing a role of a second fiddle is a big NO for both countries.
• being a so called civilizational state, China's population in Russia's Vladivostok and the far east will be larger than Russians in the near future, as both countries like to use historical narratives to push for geopolitical ambition, this is very ripe for a future disagreement between both.
• the same situation could also be applied in Central Asia where both are locked in a quiet competition for influence. By time it will grow and one side must be forced to concede. Thing is with Russia and China both will likely not back down, Russia isn't the Philippines.
• in fact seeing it from this perspective, China and Russia is more a rival than allies

maybe people like @Dalit , will take this into consideration next time. as well as many PDF members here.

 

[Globenim]

So Indian state propaganda asks the same question that Putin has already officially answered only to repeat the exact same fakenews for drooling retards from months ago all over again, spinning Russians words completely out of context and deny what they literally say in the rest of the speech about increasing cooperation with China, outside of the U.S. imperialist framework of polarizing military alliance building, when Lavrov literally says hes just repeating Putins response that Indian trolls have been called out on already months ago and the paid shills are sperging out over it all over again?

Same shit all over again:

Putin: Russia-China Military Alliance Can't Be Ruled Out

Putin: Russia-China Military Alliance Can't Be Ruled Out Russian President Vladimir Putin says there is no need for a Russia-China military alliance now but the idea of a future one can’t be ruled out. By Associated Press, Wire Service Content Oct. 22, 2020, at 3:15 p.m. BY VLADIMIR...

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