No more death penalty for rapists in State of new Madina

[Mega_Man]

Deeply saddened by the inhumane act of violence happening all over Pakistan but mostly in Punjab.
But our despair doesn't stop there as even the conservative and Maulvis were talking about public hangings to culprits, the women march came out with angry card and slogans against men and asking for public hangings which we all wanted, but according to their pamphlets they were very clear

They didn't wanted a public or any other type of death penalties. Which is a big slap to all those women in that March who wanted a death penalty.
Later PTI surprises us with unsolicited bill in the cabinet asking for review death penalties on rape cases.
At the same moment PM Imran Khan have given a interview saying he personally wanted a strict punishment to those culprits, what really this interview acknowledges is he's in no power to give even a death penalty because GSP plus status given Pakistan.
So the PM inspired from Tipu Sultan is going to kneel Infront of his liberal cabinets to please EU.
The chemical castration is bogus and it raises even more concerns,
1. will the culprits be freed after some time ?
2. Will a probational officer will appointed to him ?
3. Will he be wearing a ankle bracelet for rest of his life ?
4. Who is going to verify if the method have been performed on the culprit(s) and it's a success normally we had dead body in death penalties to verify if punishment was given.
5. Is government asking citizens to trust law and order dptt to carry out something this important in isolation and believe their words. (LHC is the same court which opened like a Walmart on Sunday to grant bail to corrupt elites to help them fleeing the country.)
6. What will be the punishment to women rapists ? As in Quran there's no discrimination against any gender and one punishment for all.

Teacher, 35, 'had sex with pupil, 15, in her favourite sex position'

Kandice Barber, 35, of Wendover, Buckinghamshire, is accused of having sex with the teenager in a field and sending him topless pictures of herself on Snapchat.

www.dailymail.co.uk

7. Does PM know how far medical science have reach well runs a successful welfare cancer hospital, did he ever read about a person who was born without pen*s and now have bionic pen*s and nerves Reconstruction surgery and he can get same level of satisfaction as any potent man gets. (Rape is definitely not about getting someone pregnant but about violating someone)

Man who was given a 'bionic penis' FINALLY has sex aged 45

Andrew Wardle, from Manchester, had a £50,000 penile implant operation at University College Hospital London in June - but had to wait six weeks before he could have sex for the first time.

www.dailymail.co.uk

8. I am sure people have more concerns but the last concern I have is how are we going to stop a rapist when he gets out of jail after completing his sentence and what's stopping him from taking a revenge from same or at that point any woman. At that point we are actually talking about an impotant vengeful male. How many times does we came across documentaries filled with such monsters who ends up as serial killers.

Are we going for full secularism after talking about State of Madina ?
Are we going to submit ourselves Infront of these pseudo liberals after watching especially ordered and recommended Ertugrul series by PM Imran Khan himself ?

Our women and children are less important than GSP plus status ? Will women and children ever feel safe in our country.

This new so called sophisticated system is going to do the same to us what our enemies will do if we get defeated in war.
A single example

France to set legal age of sexual consent at 15

Changes to the consent law will mean that sex with children who are under 15 is considered rape.

www.bbc.com

After 28-30 years were arrested with 11 yo girls(which is a rape) France change the legal age of consent to 15.
Are we prepared for this ? Because this is what comes next if we are taking advices from Faisal Vawda fawad Chaudhary and Shireen mazari, there's a reason it's called Islamic republic of Pakistan are we forgetting that or people are getting paid well enough that they're confident they can even buy themselves a place even in heaven ?
I am a die hard fan of Imran Khan but I didn't become a supporter to sell my soul and beliefs.
Is our intelligence agencies finally accepting defeat at Islamic front and okayed this ?
Are we going to trust law and order dptt on this as they have any credibility left.
FYI There families live in Canada.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Musharraf, Zardari and now Khan had all put a moratorium on the death penalty to appease the European Union.

Previously, it almost created a civil war in the Pakistan as terrorists felt emboldened that they could strike again and again with little repercussions.

In 2007, Pakistan was hit with 54 suicide bombings and that's just suicide bombings. Then came the APS massacre, giving PM Nawaz Sharif the perfect raison d'etre to end the moratorium once and for all to crush terrorism in Pakistan while also send the European Union a clear strong message, that they had no right to lecture Pakistan what laws to follow when NATO states are busy executing men, women and children in drone strikes.

But we have PM Imran Khan today... going backwards to pre-2013.

 

[Mega_Man]

What ? You do realize Nawaz Sharif is the reason we are in FATF because of his controversial dawn leaks remember ? His party United the goraya Hussain haqqani altaf Hussain Tariq almeida and Ahmed shah noorani and mubashir Zaidi front with Indian raw agencies. Please refrain from further ignorant comments.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

What ? You do realize Nawaz Sharif is the reason we are in FATF because of his controversial dawn leaks remember ? His party United the goraya Hussain haqqani altaf Hussain Tariq almeida and Ahmed shah noorani and mubashir Zaidi front with Indian raw agencies. Please refrain from further ignorant comments.

Do you know how many times Pakistan has been added and removed from FATF's listings?

The current listing is just to force Pakistan to give the US an honourable exit out of Afghanistan.

 

[ziaulislam]

Musharraf, Zardari and now Khan had all put a moratorium on the death penalty to appease the European Union.

Previously, it almost created a civil war in the Pakistan as terrorists felt emboldened that they could strike again and again with little repercussions.

In 2007, Pakistan was hit with 54 suicide bombings and that's just suicide bombings. Then came the APS massacre, giving PM Nawaz Sharif the perfect raison d'etre to end the moratorium once and for all to crush terrorism in Pakistan while also send the European Union a clear strong message, that they had no right to lecture Pakistan what laws to follow when NATO states are busy executing men, women and children in drone strikes.

But we have PM Imran Khan today... going backwards to pre-2013.

Hadood/death penalty requires four witness..there is no alternative to this.

In raysat madeena no "tazeez" punishment above hadood can be degreed...

You understand the delimma now???

If you dont you are either dumb or political ..

Issues is rapist mostly walk free in pakistan. If you comb through the news you will see 100s per day with 96% being poltical scumbags who pay off the police

 

[Thorough Pro]

This (opposition to the death penalty) just proves who is behind these protests?

Deeply saddened by the inhumane act of violence happening all over Pakistan but mostly in Punjab.
But our despair doesn't stop there as even the conservative and Maulvis were talking about public hangings to culprits, the women march came out with angry card and slogans against men and asking for public hangings which we all wanted, but according to their pamphlets they were very clear
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They didn't wanted a public or any other type of death penalties. Which is a big slap to all those women in that March who wanted a death penalty.
Later PTI surprises us with unsolicited bill in the cabinet asking for review death penalties on rape cases.
At the same moment PM Imran Khan have given a interview saying he personally wanted a strict punishment to those culprits, what really this interview acknowledges is he's in no power to give even a death penalty because GSP plus status given Pakistan.
So the PM inspired from Tipu Sultan is going to kneel Infront of his liberal cabinets to please EU.
The chemical castration is bogus and it raises even more concerns,
1. will the culprits be freed after some time ?
2. Will a probational officer will appointed to him ?
3. Will he be wearing a ankle bracelet for rest of his life ?
4. Who is going to verify if the method have been performed on the culprit(s) and it's a success normally we had dead body in death penalties to verify if punishment was given.
5. Is government asking citizens to trust law and order dptt to carry out something this important in isolation and believe their words. (LHC is the same court which opened like a Walmart on Sunday to grant bail to corrupt elites to help them fleeing the country.)
6. What will be the punishment to women rapists ? As in Quran there's no discrimination against any gender and one punishment for all.

Teacher, 35, 'had sex with pupil, 15, in her favourite sex position'

Kandice Barber, 35, of Wendover, Buckinghamshire, is accused of having sex with the teenager in a field and sending him topless pictures of herself on Snapchat.

www.dailymail.co.uk

7. Does PM know how far medical science have reach well runs a successful welfare cancer hospital, did he ever read about a person who was born without pen*s and now have bionic pen*s and nerves Reconstruction surgery and he can get same level of satisfaction as any potent man gets. (Rape is definitely not about getting someone pregnant but about violating someone)

Man who was given a 'bionic penis' FINALLY has sex aged 45

Andrew Wardle, from Manchester, had a £50,000 penile implant operation at University College Hospital London in June - but had to wait six weeks before he could have sex for the first time.

www.dailymail.co.uk

8. I am sure people have more concerns but the last concern I have is how are we going to stop a rapist when he gets out of jail after completing his sentence and what's stopping him from taking a revenge from same or at that point any woman. At that point we are actually talking about an impotant vengeful male. How many times does we came across documentaries filled with such monsters who ends up as serial killers.

Are we going for full secularism after talking about State of Madina ?
Are we going to submit ourselves Infront of these pseudo liberals after watching especially ordered and recommended Ertugrul series by PM Imran Khan himself ?

Our women and children are less important than GSP plus status ? Will women and children ever feel safe in our country.

This new so called sophisticated system is going to do the same to us what our enemies will do if we get defeated in war.
A single example

France to set legal age of sexual consent at 15

Changes to the consent law will mean that sex with children who are under 15 is considered rape.

www.bbc.com

After 28-30 years were arrested with 11 yo girls(which is a rape) France change the legal age of consent to 15.
Are we prepared for this ? Because this is what comes next if we are taking advices from Faisal Vawda fawad Chaudhary and Shireen mazari, there's a reason it's called Islamic republic of Pakistan are we forgetting that or people are getting paid well enough that they're confident they can even buy themselves a place even in heaven ?
I am a die hard fan of Imran Khan but I didn't become a supporter to sell my soul and beliefs.
Is our intelligence agencies finally accepting defeat at Islamic front and okayed this ?
Are we going to trust law and order dptt on this as they have any credibility left.
FYI There families live in Canada.

 

[El Sidd]

Now think what's happening to CPEC

 

[HAIDER]

No death penalty is one of clause when EU sign massive trade contract with Pakistan. Choice is yours or look for other options to fix the judicial clause.

 

[shah_123]

Hadood/death penalty requires four witness..there is no alternative to this.

In raysat madeena no "tazeez" punishment above hadood can be degreed...

You understand the delimma now???

If you dont you are either dumb or political ..

Issues is rapist mostly walk free in pakistan. If you comb through the news you will see 100s per day with 96% being poltical scumbags who pay off the police

The only dilemma is that PM is controlled by shireen fawad types liberals ---- who says that death penalty always requires four witness --- the current rape incident requires no witness and the culprits can be put to death publicly.

but gsp status is more valuable than the honor of our women.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

No death penalty till we trust our judicial procedure, prosecution, system police judges, yes i am supporter of death penalty.

 

[ziaulislam]

The only dilemma is that PM is controlled by shireen fawad types liberals ---- who says that death penalty always requires four witness --- the current rape incident requires no witness and the culprits can be put to death publicly.

but gsp status is more valuable than the honor of our women.

from strictly islamic point of view

1. there are two laws, hadood and tazir
2. Hadood are the strictest punishment and are fixed in islamic jurd, while tazir is later added through consensus
3. tazir cannot be stricter than hadood
4. Hadood requires minimum shadat/a very high degree of evidence/witness. this is minimum two for other crimes and 4 for sex related crimes
5. DNA evidence and other circumstantial evidence cannot replace witness evidence for punishment as strict as death penalty.
anyone who has studied forensics knows that DNA collections and processing can have errors. it is not 100%. two honest witness that are judged(on facts) is more reliable then DNA evidence. this doesnt not mean DNA evidence cannot be used to judge someone, it means it cannot be used to impose the strictest possible judgement which is had.

remember law intends to avoid any innocence put to death even if that means letting few guilty people let free

therefore, unless evidence is strong death penalty cannot be imposed no matter what. so the liberals are right in this case

same is true for death penalty in case of murder, even if single family members forgives the murderer, hud is not imposed, even if 20 other members say yes to it..islamic law seemingly favours not hanging people, as this seems to be a very lenient..now this doesnt mean tazir is not imposed, even if the famly member forgives someone , you can sentence them to life without parole

 

[ziaulislam]

people who want death penalty without due process need to understand the consequence of killing an honest person..

you see this all the time, if you study forensic historically almost 10% of people were sent to death with faulty evidence, this is more common when evidence is circumstantial and the witnesses are faulty

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Surgical castration (more painful) and 20 years of life imprisonment in case of rape

In case of rape and murder, surgical castration and life imprisonment for ever.

 

[shah_123]

from strictly islamic point of view

1. there are two laws, hadood and tazir
2. Hadood are the strictest punishment and are fixed in islamic jurd, while tazir is later added through consensus
3. tazir cannot be stricter than hadood
4. Hadood requires minimum shadat/a very high degree of evidence/witness. this is minimum two for other crimes and 4 for sex related crimes
5. DNA evidence and other circumstantial evidence cannot replace witness evidence for punishment as strict as death penalty.
anyone who has studied forensics knows that DNA collections and processing can have errors. it is not 100%. two honest witness that are judged(on facts) is more reliable then DNA evidence. this doesnt not mean DNA evidence cannot be used to judge someone, it means it cannot be used to impose the strictest possible judgement which is had.

remember law intends to avoid any innocence put to death even if that means letting few guilty people let free

therefore, unless evidence is strong death penalty cannot be imposed no matter what. so the liberals are right in this case

same is true for death penalty in case of murder, even if single family members forgives the murderer, hud is not imposed, even if 20 other members say yes to it..islamic law seemingly favours not hanging people, as this seems to be a very lenient..now this doesnt mean tazir is not imposed, even if the famly member forgives someone , you can sentence them to life without parole

the basis on which your PM has proposed castration, on the same basis, death penalty can also be carried out under tazir (you will only castrated when there remains no ambiguity, right?)

in the context of current rape incident,
things are moving fast, one has confessed, one on the run -- DNA matched, geo fencing proved presence of culprits etc.,

This also goes to Hirabah, the punishment:
1) qisas or diya for bodily injury (either eye for eye or monetary compensation)
2) amputation of limbs for harassing & stealing.
3) death penalty via stoning
4) crucifixion as a warning to others.

Islam is very clear on this,
the dilemma is the EU and their paid ngo aunties+ our useless PM and those who are thanking PM on twitter.

 

[PakSword]

from strictly islamic point of view

1. there are two laws, hadood and tazir
2. Hadood are the strictest punishment and are fixed in islamic jurd, while tazir is later added through consensus
3. tazir cannot be stricter than hadood
4. Hadood requires minimum shadat/a very high degree of evidence/witness. this is minimum two for other crimes and 4 for sex related crimes
5. DNA evidence and other circumstantial evidence cannot replace witness evidence for punishment as strict as death penalty.
anyone who has studied forensics knows that DNA collections and processing can have errors. it is not 100%. two honest witness that are judged(on facts) is more reliable then DNA evidence. this doesnt not mean DNA evidence cannot be used to judge someone, it means it cannot be used to impose the strictest possible judgement which is had.

remember law intends to avoid any innocence put to death even if that means letting few guilty people let free

therefore, unless evidence is strong death penalty cannot be imposed no matter what. so the liberals are right in this case

same is true for death penalty in case of murder, even if single family members forgives the murderer, hud is not imposed, even if 20 other members say yes to it..islamic law seemingly favours not hanging people, as this seems to be a very lenient..now this doesnt mean tazir is not imposed, even if the famly member forgives someone , you can sentence them to life without parole

What about confession? Confession of rape alone can lead to Hudood application.