No money trail of Sharif's London flats: Supreme Court

[SBD-3]

Lets get some facts straight.

1. Email was sent directly to SC, not to petitioners.
2. It was sent by Shahid Khan a London based journo, not by Qazi family.
3. Rehman Malik report has a lot to say about Qazi family, the report is already on court's record through IK petition.
4. Onus to prove the money trail is on Sharifs, not on petitioners. Why would petitioners do it in Sharifs behalf? Moreover the court already has those documents, no one needs to resubmit them.
5. Sharifs on their turn will be all free to examine those documents, no one can have objection on their right. Let me remind you again, email is on record.

How and in what capacity (Prosecutor,defence or request to be a party to the dispute) can an email be sent to SC directly? The law has a very simple solution, you just contact the side which you want to agree with and ask them to make your document or self a part. Or you write to SC to become a party to the underlying.
2-If Shahid Khan could he could have filed a separate petition or maybe handed over the documents to Shaikh Rasheed or PTI's legal team or may even to Asad Kharral who had a separate petition on disqualification of Nawaz Sharif.
3-The court has clearly said that Onus to come clean will shift on shrifs if PTI is able to submit convincing evidences about money trail being illegal or ownership being disputed or timeline being false.
5-Again If this email is on record and carries any legal weight then why isn't it being reflected? How authentic can a forwarded email be that to not addressing the court. Even a testified statement would be far better. Shahid Khan played too much safe here thereby stripping any legal value whatsoever from the email.

http://news.popalz.com.pk/index.php...-pti-counsel-to-elaborate-sharifs-businesses/

 

[Bratva]

i dnt believe in results . i believe in who much effort you put in ...Kamyabi aur nakami allah k haath mei ha .. our system is weak . every corrupt guy got out of it be it terrorist or corrupt politician ...if it was anyone else he would have given up for the system but he is still fight against the most powerful man right now in pakistan .. that make feel proud ...

It took Umar bin Abdul Aziz two and a half years to put everything in order. Whole might of Ummayaa house and tribe was against him.. Kharji Rebellion was at its peak on the other side. Ahl e Bayt and their followers ( People of Kufa) was the third side of the conflict. So what made such an impossible thing to do so possible that Umar bin Abdul Aziz was able to pull it off in just 2 and a half years? which caused his death through poisoning ?

His ability to implement his decisions through his trusted and honest aides. Who willingly, honestly and without the expectations of gaining financially or flexing their power muscles

Now the second example, It took Quaid e Azam 7 years from 1940 declaration to 1947 to gain independence for muslims of Subcontinent. The entire might of Indian congress, So called Mullahs of Subcontinet and the Might of British empire was against him. We all know how selfless and dedicated QUaid e Azam aides were

Now answer me with all the conscious. Did Quaid e azam or Umar bin Abdul aziz if fought alone against the weak system of their era, would they had have gone too far ?

Or If Umar Bin Abdul Aziz or Quaid e Azam had aides like the ones Imran khan is surrounded with would they have gone much far in their struggle



I mean what is to be proud of Imran khan struggle ? Did he restructured his own party ? Did he purged the corrupt elements in PTI ? Did he corrected or made efforts to rectify the structural and organizational mistakes which were so glaringly visible to everyone in the elections of 2013 ? Why he sidelined the honest elements of His party like Justice Wajihuddin ? I have never seen IK implementing the reports of Justice Sahib. What is status of PTI in Balochistan and Sindh ?

As you said Kamyaabi is in the hands of Allah. Allah gave Kamyaabi to the likes of Umar bin Abdul Aziz and Quaid e Azam in their fight against the weak system, the very same weak system IK is facing because they didnot chose the corrupt, greedy and power hungry aides and didnot turn blind eye toward the activities of either their own hypocrite actions nor of their own aides and inner circle.

The kind of evidence we want to be produced before the court does not exist on the face earth, if it exists somewhere then only Sharifs & Sharifs controlled institutions have access to it -- I mean something like memorandum & articles of association. Angles testimony is something else btw!

Unfortunately that is how legal system works. Everywhere in the world. What we are imagining is the pure islamic system where upon a single lie would make the leader disqualify. What is there on ground is a legal system which works upon Innocent until guilty and By guilty, the party who accused the other should provide all the necessary proof.

 

[Emmie]

How and in what capacity (Prosecutor,defence or request to be a party to the dispute) can an email be sent to SC directly? The law has a very simple solution, you just contact the side which you want to agree with and ask them to make your document or self a part. Or you write to SC to become a party to the underlying.
2-If Shahid Khan could he could have filed a separate petition or maybe handed over the documents to Shaikh Rasheed or PTI's legal team or may even to Asad Kharral who had a separate petition on disqualification of Nawaz Sharif.

Edit -- Better reply in post number 96.

3-The court has clearly said that Onus to come clean will shift on shrifs if PTI is able to submit convincing evidences about money trail being illegal or ownership being disputed or timeline being false.

If onus is on PTI then why SC is asking Sharifs to provide evidence of money trail?
http://tribune.com.pk/story/1249013/no-money-trail-sharifs-london-flats-supreme-court/
http://dailytimes.com.pk/pakistan/01-Dec-16/sc-questions-money-trail-of-london-flats

 

[SBD-3]

Sir, This is a waste of time. Another shows put on to waste precious time of a finally growing nation. My research tells me everyone's corrupt and at the end, this would become a he-said, she-said" competition without proofs from either side (I mean "real" proofs).

I can imagine that soon, the Batman and the Superman will be be picking up sides between the two and will be providing letters and proofs of flying to Pakistan and bringing the $$ bags to bank accounts in the West for the "other side" that they dislike. How sad, stupid and dumb is this situation? I think people should rather focus on working hard, and voting right to cleanup the system, then wasting time in an animal show where the prettiest pony wins. Thanks

No one is 100% saint anywhere on this earth. The point is that there are something you keep only to verbal confrontation and don't take too far. Imran Khan is stupid in such sense that for every political statement fed to him, he takes it too far that he ends up empty handed and shamed. 35 Punctures story, The Rigging Mantra,Dharna 2014,Lockdown 2016 and now this Panama issue. He just tried too much powerplay and let the ball slip out of his hand. Without proofs, there's little chance that court will take an extreme decision of disqualifying Nawaz Sharif. So if Imran Khan ends up like previous two situations, he would be doing Nawaz a great favor, I.e. helping him with a clean chit before the 2018 elections. Some things are kept for politics and politics alone. Because digging without tools don't get you anywhere.

 

[Emmie]

The bench other day observed that Shafi’s signature on the affidavit did not match with the signature in the agreement.

Agreement

Affidavit

Signature on affidavit don't even match.

@Farah Sohail @PakSword @Verve @The Eagle @Mansoon @war&peace

@SBD-3 establishing link and producing money trail are two different things.

 

[The Eagle]

A person/party wants to submit any evidence which can help in proceedings or by helping the Court, either it can be called friend of the court or the person etc can submit an application as intervener to become the party. It is not necessary to choose a side to submit the documents but an intervener can do so.

@Emmie

 

[SBD-3]

Mr Khan has contented that he didn't want to side with any political party, for the very reason he sent email directly to SC. Why can't he send email? When a Qatari can send a letter then whats wrong with email? It's up to the court the decide whether documents in email can be admitted or not. As I said earlier Rehman Malik report covers Qazi family link, IK has submitted that report therefore the contents of the email are already on record.



If onus is on PTI then why SC is asking Sharifs to provide evidence of money trail?
http://tribune.com.pk/story/1249013/no-money-trail-sharifs-london-flats-supreme-court/
http://dailytimes.com.pk/pakistan/01-Dec-16/sc-questions-money-trail-of-london-flats

1-Qatari letter comes from the side of Nawaz Sharif, not as an independent letter to SC, understand this basic difference.
2- Court will satisfy herself with the necessary documents, like they have submitted before regarding the Benificiary and Ownership, which PTI ducked and now rather turn to trail. PTI's legal team has no grounds to challenge the notions Sharif Family presents before the court. PTI started from dependency, then turned to ownership, Benificiary debate, then turned to money trail and now turn to contradictions between NS's statement. If they had anything significant and Sharif's would've produced any fake document, case would have been done. PTI's legal team is just shooting blind in hope to get a lucky shot. Imran Khan himself visited London for proofs but returned empty handed.

 

[Emmie]

1-Qatari letter comes from the side of Nawaz Sharif, not as an independent letter to SC, understand this basic difference.
2- Court will satisfy herself with the necessary documents, like they have submitted before regarding the Benificiary and Ownership, which PTI ducked and now rather turn to trail. PTI's legal team has no grounds to challenge the notions Sharif Family presents before the court. PTI started from dependency, then turned to ownership, Benificiary debate, then turned to money trail and now turn to contradictions between NS's statement. If they had anything significant and Sharif's wouldn't have produced any fake document, case would have been done. PTI's legal team is just shooting blind in hope to get a lucky shot. Imran Khan himself visited London for proofs but returned empty handed.

Please refer to post 96 for email.

What Sharifs have submitted so far? Zilch! A Qatari letter to prove money trail which was picked apart not by lawyers but by the judges & a trust deed under English laws which is not even enforced in any court of law. Companies are registered in BVI and trust deed are being shown of GB, trust deed cum agreement between bro and sis. Where are the documents pertaining steel mills? Where are the memorandum and article of associations? Where are the documents proving money trail? Just show needful and get rid of IK and other once and for all.

 

[AMG_12]

Sir, This is a waste of time. Another shows put on to waste precious time of a finally growing nation. My research tells me everyone's corrupt and at the end, this would become a he-said, she-said" competition without proofs from either side (I mean "real" proofs).

I can imagine that soon, the Batman and the Superman will be be picking up sides between the two and will be providing letters and proofs of flying to Pakistan and bringing the $$ bags to bank accounts in the West for the "other side" that they dislike. How sad, stupid and dumb is this situation? I think people should rather focus on working hard, and voting right to cleanup the system, then wasting time in an animal show where the prettiest pony wins. Thanks

You're the viper guy, who claimed he can launch a similar forum and get this one sued within minutes :p You should really reconsider your approach now that you're a new, clean "Viper" or the staffa here may kick you out again.

 

[Farah Sohail]

@Emmie even if Shafi's signatures...do not match ..or any other proofs of wrongdoing...still.. Where is THOS SABOOT to prove Nawaz Sharif did any wrong? THOS SABOOT le kar aayein...phir koi aur baat.... His lies in parliament were political statements... Evm if offshore companies are owned by Maryam, how and why should Nawaz Sharif be disqualified? If properties belonged to abba jaan, where is Nawaz Sharif involved in all this? In logon ka Nawaz Sharif se kia talluq?

 

[The Eagle]

Signature on affidavit don't match.

The first step is by proving the relationship/link so as soon as it is established, the complainant supports it's case by submitting whatever is available then burden is on the defendant to prove it wrong.

W.r.t. signatures, party denying it or maintaining the same as original, one can call for handwriting expert to examine the such signatures and the signatory will be called to appear before the court to submit fresh signatures to forensic experts for examination. It is matter of the practice and perusal that none can escape.

London guy, that sent e-mail, is agree for testimony before court (soon to be revealed). Just needed protection.

The authenticity of the letter can only be confirmed by calling the signatory to the court and certify the same through examine-in-Chief to confirm the contents thereof and both the parties will also have Chance to cross-examine the witness.

The misleading part is, parties are trying to prove more to the public outside the Court and very few speaks about what really happens in the Court Room that too within limitations.

Panama may be proven sooner or may take time but as per the prosecution proceeded till now, the such has actually produced the needed hammer which is going to hit badly someone very soon. Ifykwim the Article Sadiq Amin.

 

[Emmie]

The first step is by proving the relationship/link so as soon as it is established, the complainant supports it's case by submitting whatever is available then burden is on the defendant to prove it wrong.

W.r.t. signatures, party denying it or maintaining the same as original, one can call for handwriting expert to examine the such signatures and the signatory will be called to appear before the court to submit fresh signatures to forensic experts for examination. It is matter of the practice and perusal that none can escape.

London guy, that sent e-mail, is agree for testimony before court (soon to be revealed). Just needed protection.

The authenticity of the letter can only be confirmed by calling the signatory to the court and certify the same through examine-in-Chief to confirm the contents thereof and both the parties will also have Chance to cross-examine the witness.

The misleading part is, parties are trying to prove more to the public outside the Court and very few speaks about what really happens in the Court Room that too within limitations.

Panama may be proven sooner or may take time but as per the prosecution proceeded till now, the such has actually produced the needed hammer which is going to hit badly someone very soon. Ifykwim the Article Sadiq Amin.

The signature on any of two documents is fake, most prolly it's the agreement which has fake signature. I have heard when it comes to examination of signature the judge's observation is superior to the observation of handwriting expert.

Agree completely with rest of your post.

 

[The Eagle]

The signature on any of two documents is fake, most prolly it's the agreement which has fake signature. I have heard when it comes to examination of signature the judge's observation is superior to the observation of handwriting expert.

The thing is, when it is in Court then there is escape except if Judge may look other side/ignore it (just a saying) so there is no way now for the liar.

The signature part is Yes it is what you said and opponent can also challenge it for forensic examination as a remedy in law if anyone has any doubt on Court's observation. It is legal. However, the signatures that are open and clearly telling the story of fake, wouldn't need any expert opinion as all and the same has happened what you shared above.

 

[mr.robot]

Please refer to post 96 for email.

What Sharifs have submitted so far? Zilch! A Qatari letter to prove money trail which was picked apart not by lawyers but by the the judges & a trust deed under English laws which is not even enforced in any court of law. Companies are registered in BVI and trust deed are being shown of GB, trust deed cum agreement between bro and sis. Where are the documents pertaining steel mills? Where are the memorandum and article of associations? Where are the documents proving money trail? Just show needful and get rid of IK and other once and for all.

Also, the biggest blunder done by PMLN's legal team is that they submitted trust deed of Coomber which wasn't even under discussion. The trust deed is from 2006 and company was setup in 2007.

Now they have submitted trust deed of Nielsen and Nescoll with same dates. This will haunt them whenever they present their case.

 

[Emmie]

Also, the biggest blunder done by PMLN's legal team is that they submitted trust deed of Coomber which wasn't even under discussion. The trust deed is from 2006 and company was setup in 2007.

Now they have submitted trust deed of Nielsen and Nescoll with same dates. This will haunt them whenever they present their case.

Really? I didn't know that. How you came to know when Coomber was actually incorporated?