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No Excuse for Violence: Obama Tells Burma

Reforms in Myanmar: hype and realities



Maung Zarni November 19, 2012 1:00 am


US President Barack Obama is scheduled to arrive in Myanmar tomorrow (Mon) - perhaps the world's hottest destination at the moment. He should "see" the ugly realities of the country's reforms that lie just beneath the surface and hear the cries of the wretched of Myanmar such as the Muslim Rohingya and the Christian Kachins.
These days Myanmar's coming out party is talk of the town since President Thein Sein's government has embarked on reforms, ending the country's international pariah status and half-century of isolation, both self-imposed and externally-maintained. The generals' rule since 1962 has resulted in policy-induced poverty, prolonged internal conflicts and international isolation, with devastating societal consequences. Despite its firm grip on power the generals never really feel either secure or confident about their reign. They have always felt they are riding on the back of an angry and wounded tiger.

Through their eyes reforms - and bringing on board Aung San Suu Kyi, their long-time nemesis, is the last resort both for themselves and the society at large. This is the existential background against which changes in Myanmar need to be understood.

As a welcome gesture, just about every leader of both the "free world" of the West and "un-free and semi-free worlds" of the East have hurried their way to Naypyidaw, Myanmar's purpose-built capital replete with North Korean-designed underground tunnels and bunkers. The freshly re-elected US President Barak Obama will top this list of international visitors who have thrown their weight behind the generals' reforms, with the Lady's blessings.

Development and humanitarian packages worth hundreds of millions of dollars have been pledged, foreign debt to the tune of US$ 3.7 billion forgiven and official praise about Myanmar's changes has been thrown around in Washington, Tokyo, London, Berlin, Paris, Oslo, Brussels, and so on. New offices are springing up in Myanmar. Every tourist or long-stay visitor to Myanmar is now involved in 'institution- and capacity-building' of one kind or another. Investors, insurers, and do-gooders alike are all elated. Finally, Myanmar has arrived.

But there is more to the hyperboles of this "model transition", as Washington put it, than meets the eyes.

What really triggers these changes is as important to understand as what prospects - and challenges - lie ahead. Further, what real-world impact are these unfolding reforms having on the lives of the public, ethnic majority Bama and non-Bama ethnic minorities such as the Kachins in the North, the Rohingya in the West, the Shans and the Karens in the East?

Historically, it was the generals' fear of the loss of their half-century grip on power and wealth that led to state-ordered chronic waves of bloodbaths since the "8.8.88 Popular Uprising" when the entire nation rose up against the one-party military dictatorship of General Ne Win. In 2012, nearly a quarter century after the country's greatest revolt in modern history, it is again the same fear factor that has propelled the generals to make moves: reform the institutions and reform the way they rule the population.

Mr Shwe Mann, Speaker of the Lower House, reportedly admitted the generals' collective fear. Within an hour of his meeting with the visiting US Secretary of State Hilary Rodham Clinton in the parliament in December last year, the former third most powerful general in Than Shwe's ruling council was telling the Burmese journalists, "we do not want to end up like the Arab dictators. One day they were very powerful. The next day they died ignoble deaths".

Of course, Washington's new strategy of "pivoting" back to Asia has also made it possible for the generals to come out of their bunkers, literally and figuratively. The Americans wanted the Burmese to walk away, as much as geo-strategically possible, from Beijing's embrace. The Burmese, on their part, are grateful to Washington in helping wean them off China's international protection, ironically, against Washington's perceived attempts at regime change in Myanmar. This is a classic geo-strategic symbiosis that is looking increasingly promising for the Burmese and the Americans.

However, through the natives' eyes, that is, the Burmese public, the country's recent history stands in the way of embracing the outsiders' rose-tinted views of Myanmar's reforms. They don't share the international community's "reckless optimism" about its collective future. The generals' past waves of nation-building have been nothing but national nightmares.

Since 1962, Burmese military leaders have made and re-made themselves first as "socialist soldiers" bent on building a socialist economy and now overzealous "capitalist democrats" embracing the Free Market with fist and fury.

Fifty years ago the late General Ne Win, then commander-in-chief gave the green-light for deputies to end the country's fragile parliamentary democracy and build a 'socialist democracy'. Overnight military officers who had never dreamed of socialism as their guiding light were ordered to become the cadres of the Burma Socialist Programme Party. This socialist experiment ended up as a policy and system failure with devastating societal consequences in terms of human resources, public health, ethnic relations, economy and culture. The 25-years of continued military rule post-socialist dictatorship has only made the social legacy even worse.

Almost 50 years after the late General Ne Win's military's socialist experiment, the "retired" Senior General Than Shwe ordered his juniors to discharge their new mission of building a "discipline flourishing democracy". Like the theatrical director, he slotted his deputies to play Speakers of the Houses, Chairman of the new army-backed ruling Union Solidarity and Development Party, Commander-in-Chief, and so on.

In Naypyidaw's new play, the soldiers are to form the backbone of reform push as 'democratisers' while western educated technocrats with developmental nationalism are to be advisers to the prince. Importantly, in this new cast of characters, the Lady too has an important role to play. The psyche-war savvy generals have worked on the Lady with a 'soft spot' for the Army which her martyred father founded three years before she was born. Through the regime's eyes, it has bagged the only thing in the world it needed to make itself entirely acceptable to the West.

Remaining silent

Indeed Daw Aung San Suu Kyi has ceremoniously helped sell the generals' new play to the world while unceremoniously choosing to remain silent on the military's war crimes against the Kachin minorities in northern Burma, the ethno-religious cleansing of the Rohingya in western Burma, or economic disempowerment of ordinary farmers whose ancestral land is being confiscated by army-owned mining and commercial agricultural companies.

To belabour the obvious, the ex-military officers and their active-duty brethren retain complete monopoly control over all aspects of reforms. In the new era of "democratic transition", these men, in skirts or in green shirts, continue to hold all levers of state power at all levels of administration, including "people's bicameral parliament", judiciary, foreign affairs and finance, besides their legitimate domain, namely state security apparatuses. And it is these "men on horseback", not collaborating dissidents or the advisory developmental technocrats, who determine the reforms' nature, scope, priorities, and pace.

This is the picture that increasingly worries the Burmese public that have borne the brunt of the military's policy, leadership and system failures. Here the cynical Burmese public know best.

In dealing with unhappy Arab Streets, the House of Saud, for instance, has thrown billions at the Sultanate subjects to placate the latter while the Jordanian crown has created wiggle room for its subjects. Ex-generals in Naypyidaw, or "Abode of Kings", have in part adopted this "buy-the-impoverished-population" approach. The catch here though is this: unlike the House of Saud, which sits on the world's largest reserve of "black gold", the cash-strapped reformist President Thein Sein - cash-strapped because the country's revenues have been stashed away in personal bank accounts of senior and junior generals - wants the international community, including UN, international lending agencies and development banks, and "donor" countries, to foot his administration's bill.

Commercial gains

Take, for instance, the literal cost of Naypyidaw's peace negotiations with ethnic armed resistance organizations. According to ex-Major General Aung Min, the Union Minister for Peace and a confidant of the President, his government does not even pay the hotel bills for peace negotiators. Thankfully from Naypyidaw's perspective, Oslo, bent on rebuilding its tarnished image of a global peace maker par excellence post-Sri Lanka's conflict, has stepped up to the plate, and so have the local Burmese cronies from Myanmar Egress, the best-known proxy for the Burmese intelligence services. Everyone in the peace process is poised to reap commercial and/or strategic gains, if and when the country's war zones are transformed into multi-billion dollar special economic zones and ethnic guerrilla fighters "swap their guns for laptops", as President Thein Sein poetically put it.

Emphatically, the generals are, however, pursuing reforms largely for the wrong reasons - for their own long-term survival, both as powerful military families and as the most powerful institution with 'a deeply ingrained corporate sense of entitlement to rule'. Motives do matter. As a direct consequence, they remain wholly unprepared to do what is needed in terms of what will really promote public welfare and advance the cause of freedom, human rights and democracy.

As a matter of fact, the reforms are contradictory, reversible, and fragile. They are confined to such narrow domains as freedom of speech, new business and investment law. That is, the areas important to middle class Western liberals and attractive to venture capitalists and corporations. Further, reform moves bypass active conflict zones, strategic buffer areas, and resource-rich virgin lands.

When it comes to economically and strategically important regions on the country's peripheries, that is, the ancestral homes of the country's 40% of ethnic minorities such as the Kachin, the Rakhine, the Shan, the Karen, the Mon, and the Karenni, the reforms simply translate into forced displacement, a rise in militarisation, a sharp increase in war-fleeing refugees, loss of livelihoods, and so on. It is indeed no coincidence that all fresh waves of violence, atrocities and raging wars happen to be in the ethnic minority regions designated to be homes of virtually all mega-development initiatives, commercial projects, resource extraction, special economic zones and industrial agricultural schemes - worth billions of dollars.

Curiously, both the origin and tail of China's 2,800-plus kilometre-long twin pipeline bear witness to the unfolding violence: ethnic cleansing of the Rohingya in the coastal region where the pipelines begin and the hot war against the Kachins in the Sino-Burmese highlands of northern Myanmar. To date, close to an estimated 100, 000 Rohingyas have been caged in new UN-financed refugee camps on the west coast while roughly the same number of Kachins in the North has fled the war on their ancestral highlands. On the eastern side of Myanmar along Thai-Burmese borders, donor agencies, for instance, Britain's Department of International Development (DfID) and the host country of Thailand are preparing to repatriate another 150,000 Karen and Karenni war refugees back to their regions, despite the absence there of either meaningful and functioning ceasefire or lasting peace.

Dark side of reforms

Because these wars and atrocities are off the beaten-path and largely inaccessible to UN and other aid agencies, the dark side of Myanmar's economic reforms by and large go unnoticed except for the US military's surveillance satellites which captured images of entire neighbourhoods in the strategic deep-sea port city of Kyauk Phyu razed to the ground. Why pay compensation for relocating a popularly disliked ethnic and religious minority community from strategically and commercially important locations if you can drive them out to the sea and torch their homes completely? These state-orchestrated crime scenes also lie outside the purview of the growing pool of visiting dignitaries, renowned experts and international statesmen and -women on their whirlwind state visits to Myanmar.

More ominously, many international agencies and national governments by and large view this ugly side of development - ethnic, class and provincial conflicts, large scale displacement, pervasive land confiscation, absence of human and food security, growing income disparity, etc - as the necessary cost locals must bear if they are to enjoy projected fruits of developmental reforms in some distant future. Here the prevailing two-fold ideology of unfettered development and 'sustainable economic growth' is at work.

Even the country's iconic politician Aung San Suu Kyi, who has never set foot on active war zones of ethnic minorities, lacks any empirical understanding or experience to truly appreciate the negative consequences of the generals' reforms she is helping to market in Western capitals with great success.

The regime's pursuit of peace with armed ethnic resistance communities warrants a closer scrutiny than has been subject to. While running the country that has not seen real peace since independence from Britain 60-plus years ago, the generals talk the talk of peace, but do not walk the walk.

Take, for instance, its hyped-up ceasefire talks with two of the country's oldest and most resolute revolutionary organizations - the Karen National Union in Eastern Burma and the Kachin Independence Organization in Northern Burma. The widespread perception among the Kachin and Karen negotiators, and respective communities, is that the reformist government is more intent on imposing peace on its own terms, more or less. Naypyidaw is far more interested in exploiting natural resources in minority regions and securing strategic and commercial routes there than discussing seriously about the root cause of the country's ethnic rebellions, namely political autonomy founded on the principle of ethnic equality.

The Kachins, who maintained truce a for 17 years, no longer feel they can trust the Burmese generals who attempted to lure them into trading the Kachins' collective drive for political autonomy in a genuinely federated Union of Burma for commercial deals for the Kachin upper crust.

This has led to Ko Mya Aye, one of the most prominent dissidents from the 88 Generation Group who travelled to the war zone and met with the Kachin resistance leaders, to remark pointedly, "The Burmese government knows what to change in order to have peace, but they do not want to do it. The government just does a little to look good to the international community". Myanmar's reforms are, upon closer scrutiny, more about the interests and longevity of the country's military and army-bred crony interests than about inter-ethnic and -faith peace, public welfare, or democracy.

Upon a closer and honest look, Myanmar's extraordinary reforms begin to lose their lustre.

There is no denying that the country's quasi-civilian government has ushered in a new era of reforms. However, the types of reforms that President Thein Sein, an ex-general and a figurehead, are pursuing are ones that will protect the military's core interests above all else. At heart, the reforms are largely geared towards creating a "late developmental state" along the lines of Vietnam and China, a benign Leviathan that will secure the generals' electability on the basis of its economic performance and along popular "Buddhist" racism. When the illiberal society's deeply ingrained racism thunders the traditionally liberal discourses of human rights, democracy and multi-culturalism go muted.

The current reform movement therefore lacks real potential to result in a new democratic polity which will build, and in turn feed off, a new and sustainable economic system. Sadly, the West and the rest alike are choosing to overlook the apparent pitfalls of Myanmar's reforms ignoring the cries of the wretched in a new Myanmar.

Maung Zarni (Zarni's Blog) is a visiting fellow at the London School of Economics and founding director of the Free Burma Coalition (1995-2004).

Reforms in Myanmar: hype and realities - The Nation
 
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1. The junta are scared of being overthrown as the Arab rulers were and a repeat of the 1988 nationwide riots in Burma.

2. To prevent this they are pretending to be democratic and using Aung San Su Kyii as a "good cop" to their "bad cop".

3. The junta is not at all serious about making peace with ethnic groups such as the Kachins, Karens or Rohingyas.

4. The junta is a corrupt oligarchy where generals and ex-generals make money through lucrative deals, ownership of factories and natural resources.

However

- The Kachins are fighting back.

- The Rohingyas have now reportedly started fighting back using guerilla tactics and arms. In the future Islamic volunteers from Indonesia, Turkey, Arab world may come.

The Burmese junta is in trouble.

The clock is ticking.
 
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Myanmar to address Rohingya citizenship


Yangon told Obama during historic visit

Star report

The Myanmarese government has reiterated its commitment to address the Rohingya issues including citizenship, according to US Deputy National Security Advisor Ben Rhodes.

“With regards to the Rohingya in the Rakhine State, they reiterated their commitment to not just calm the situation, but to address the underlying issues including returning displaced people to their home and addressing the issue of citizenship for the Rohingya,” the advisor said aboard Air Force One.


Ben Rhodes was addressing a press gaggle also joined by Press Secretary Jay Carney on way from Myanmar to Cambodia on Monday, a Whitehouse press release said. He was giving an update of US President Barrack Obama's meeting in Yangon.


Obama became the first US president to visit Myanmar and the highlight of his six-hour trip was a speech at Yangon University, which was at the heart of 1988 pro-democracy protests.

Addressing students, he called for an urge an end to sectarian unrest in the western state of Rakhine, saying there was "no excuse for violence against innocent people".

“Today, we look at the recent violence in Rakhine State that has caused so much suffering, and we see the danger of continued tensions there,” he said.

“For too long, the people of this state, including ethnic Rakhine, have faced crushing poverty and persecution. But there is no excuse for violence against innocent people. And, the Rohingya hold themselves -- hold within themselves the same dignity as you do, and I do.

“I welcome the government's commitment to address the issues of injustice and accountability, and humanitarian access and citizenship. That's a vision that the world will support as you move forward.”

Two major outbreaks of clash since June in Rakhine state have left 180 people dead and more than 1,10,000 displaced. Most of those who fled their homes were stateless Rohingya Muslims, who have faced decades of discrimination.

Myanmar's reformist government is under pressure to give citizenship to the Rohingya as it comes under international scrutiny, with warnings that the conflict threatens its democratic transition, AFP wrote earlier.

In his Yangon speech, Obama said every nation struggles to define citizenship. America has had great debates about these issues, and those debates continue to this day, because “we're a nation of immigrants -- people coming from every different part of the world”.

“But what we've learned in the US is that there are certain principles that are universal, apply to everybody no matter what you look like, no matter where you come from, no matter what religion you practice.

“But I have confidence that as you do that you can draw on this diversity as a strength and not a weakness. Your country will be stronger because of many different cultures, but you have to seize that opportunity. You have to recognize that strength.”

“Every human being within these borders is a part of your nation's story, and you should embrace that. That's not a source of weakness, that's a source of strength -- if you recognize it,” said the US president.

After visiting Myanmar, Obama headed to Cambodia to join a meeting of the Association of South East Asian Nations, in a trip that underlines the shift in US foreign policy focus to the Asia-Pacific region.

Myanmar to address Rohingya citizenship
 
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Rohingya Muslims are victims: Asean



Monday, November 19, 2012
From Print Edition






‘Reconciliation means reconciliation with all groups and it’s difficult to imagine how you can resettle 800,000 people in a third country’



PHNOM PENH: Asean chief Surin Pitsuwan said on Sunday that Rohingya Muslims in western Myanmar were the victims of “disturbing” ethnic violence, but stopped short of calling the bloodshed genocide.



A wave of violence in western Rakhine state between Buddhists and minority Rohingya Muslims has left hundreds dead and displaced more than 110,000 people since June, overshadowing political reforms in the country.



“I would call it a disturbing trend of ethnic violence that could become destabilising to the region,” Surin told AFP in Phnom Penh at a summit of the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations.



“I have already given out a warning that it could be radicalised. That would not be good to anybody in the region.”



But Surin did not endorse a statement from the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, which on Saturday called the Rohingya victims of “genocide”.



“I think the statement by the OIC reflects the frustration... of 57 countries,” Surin said when asked whether he would call the violence “genocide”. “This is a very very, frustrating, worrisome situation.”



Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa, whose country is a member of both Asean and the OIC, was similarly cautious. “Genocide is a very specific term,” he told reporters in the Cambodian capital.



“I think we are not preoccupied with the actual terminology, rather I think... recent developments in the affected state have been quite disquieting and a source of concern and we wish very much for the situation to be quickly addressed.”



Myanmar’s 800,000 stateless Rohingya are seen by the government and many in the country as illegal immigrants from neighbouring Bangladesh. They are described by the UN as among the world’s most persecuted minorities.



Buddhist and Rohingya militants have each accused each other of genocide in recent months, but right groups have been reluctant to employ the term.



Surin called on Aseanto provide humanitarian assistance to “relieve” the suffering of the victims, many of whom have been made homeless by the clashes and are languishing in overcrowded, squalid camps.



Asked whether Asean wanted Myanmar to grant citizenship to the ethnic minority, Surin indicated it was not for the bloc to interfere with a fellow member state’s handling of the issue.

Rohingya Muslims are victims: Asean - thenews.com.pk


“I understand the sensitivity, I understand the complexity of the issue,” he said, adding that “the people of Myanmar as a whole will have to warm up to the idea”.



“Reconciliation means reconciliation with all groups and it’s difficult to imagine how you can resettle 800,000 people in a third country,” he said.



“So it has to be resolved through their own national processes, through their own laws... (it) will have to be done by the Myanmese government.”

Rohingya Muslims are victims: Asean - thenews.com.pk
 
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Rohingya Americans Praise Obama’s Speech

By LALIT K JHA / THE IRRAWADDY| November 20, 2012 |




WASHINGTON—The Rohingya community in the United States on Monday welcomed US President Barack Obama’s speech in Rangoon and, along with other Burmese communities and rights bodies, urged him not to ignore human rights issues in the country.

Rohingya Americans especially appreciated Obama’s remarks that “there’s no excuse for violence against innocent people, and the Rohingya hold within themselves the same dignity as you do, and I do.”

“The words in your speech today have cured the minds and thoughts of millions of Burmese infected by Gen Ne Win’s philosophy of Burman and Buddhism as the only superior race and religion,” said Nay San Oo, co-founder of the Free Rohingya Campaign.

But the Burma Task Force said that it was “shocked” at the timing of the president’s visit. “President Obama chose to visit when Burmese nationalist resentment and discrimination continue to target ethnic minorities, especially the Rohingya people, with thousands of homes destroyed in Burma’s Rakhine [Arakan] State, hundreds of people killed and tens of thousands displaced within the last month alone,” it said in a statement.

The recent communal violence between Arakanese Buddhists and Rohingya Muslims which has engulfed western Burma since June has so far killed at least 180 people, destroyed thousands of homes and displaced more than 110,000 people, according to official figures.

Signed by more than half-a-dozen rights bodies including the American Society for Muslim Advancement, Burmese Rohingya Association of North America, Interfaith Center of New York and Free Rohingya Campaign, the statement said the US should not ignore state-sponsored persecution of ethnic and religious minorities but instead energetically support rights for all peoples living in Burma.

“A viable US foreign policy must be based on human rights recognition and protection. Let there be no mistake,” said the statement. “In the president’s speech today, Mr. Obama spoke eloquently of democracy and human dignity and at last made reference to the Rohingya’s right to dignity and the need for reconciliation.

“However, his remarks about local insurgencies were unclear and leave us troubled about our government’s commitment to advocate for those most victimized,” added the statement. “We wonder: Will this administration follow up effectively to confront the pogrom against minorities and the exclusionary government policies that encourage division and hate in Burma?”

Rohingya Americans Praise Obama
 
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Thein Sein Outlines Arakan Plan

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Burma’s President Thein Sein told reporters on Wednesday that the government will pursue a four-point plan aimed at resolving the bitter divisions between Muslim and Buddhist communities in Arakan State, Mizzima reported. The plan will involve changing people’s prejudices, promoting education, creating jobs and introducing a program of birth control—which was supposedly necessary as the state has a high birth rate. “We must make people empathize with each other,” the president said, as he explained the plan during a press conference at the Asean Summit in Cambodia

Thein Sein Outlines Arakan Plan | The Irrawaddy Magazine

Hammer: Notice how the junta figure-head does not call Rohingyas illegal immigrants but clearly alludes to providing a solution where both communities can live in peace, i.e. Rohingyas are part of Arakan, a far cry from his ravings a few months ago when he said 0.8 million Rohingyas should be kicked out.
 
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This article is 3 weeks old but very relevant.

Burma considers citizenship for Rohingya Muslims

Burma has acknowledged the persecution of its stateless Rohingya Muslim minority and is considering giving citizenship to thousands of members of the group as a first step to finding a solution to the conflict with local Rakhine Buddhists.

By Dean Nelson, South Asia Editor
12:47PM GMT 01 Nov 2012

The government's search for a 'win-win' solution to the conflict between the two groups follows a new outbreak of violence last week in which attacks by Buddhist mobs left 89 dead and forced more than 28,000 to flee their homes. An estimated 130 Rohingya refugees from the violence are missing off the coast of Bangladesh after their boat sank while heading to Malaysia. Bangladesh has refused to accept Rohingya refugees because it believes many are illegal immigrants.

The scale of the violence and the suffering of those forced to flee prompted calls for the Burmese government to intervene and warnings from the international community that its recent democratic reforms would be tarnished if it did not stop the attacks.

In an interview with The Hindu newspaper, Burma's information minister, U Ang Kyi, said his government is working towards a "win-win solution for all stakeholders" and acknowledged that the statelessness of its Rohingya Muslim minority is a key cause of its suffering in the country.


He said local Rakhine people had not intended to cause violence on the scale seen over the last week and that he was confident the conflict will be brought under control. "The local people also have this belief, and from this situation we are going to create a win-win situation for all stakeholders, a solution that will benefit everybody," he said.


"Rohingyas are denied citizenship by Myanmar [Burma] and as a consequence the rights that go with it," he added.

The government is understood to be considering new moves to confer citizenship on several hundred thousand 'third generation' Rohingya who are already entitled to it under Burmese law but who were illegally denied it by previous governments.

Muslims from neighbouring Bangladesh have lived in Rakhine, formerly Arakan, for more than 600 years but their numbers steadily increased under British rule, causing rising resentment among the indigenous Rakhine Buddhists. There have been periodic clashes between the two groups but violence intensified in June this year when 78 were killed following reports of a rape of a Rakhine woman by Muslims.

Diplomatic sources in Burma said the government is now focused on granting citizenship rights on third generation Rohingya, but has yet to decide what to do with several hundred thousand first and second generation Rohingya who are regarded as Bengali immigrants by local Rakhine Buddhists. The government is also understood to be considering whether to accept the Rohingya as a 'national race', but progress is expected to be slow because of Rakhine opposition. "Lots of people are being denied basic rights of citizenship to which they are entitled….and it undermines the rule of law," said one source.

Burma considers citizenship for Rohingya Muslims - Telegraph


1. Burma is reportedly considering restoring citizenship to Rohingyas (who had citizenship until 1982) but "3rd generation Rohingyas" only (whatever that means)

2. Burma must restore citizenship to all Rohingyas and accept all refugees back from Bangladesh (which number in the thousands) and once that is done then there is absolutely "zero problem" with Bangladesh.

We Bangladeshis (aside from the Rohingya issue) have absolutely no hatred of Burma, partly because we have very little consciousness or interaction with Burma. There is far more hostility to India & Pakistan than to Burma.

We will welcome a relationship characterized by co-operation and mutual development. We Bangladeshis are a tolerant and peaceful people with no pretensions of being a great power. Our industries minister, Dilip Barua, is a Buddhist.

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Bangladeshi government minister for industries and head of a communist party, Dilip Barua a Buddhist.

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Buddhist gather in Bangladesh in which minister Barua was present.

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Bangladeshi Buddhist leaders with head of government, Hasina Wajid.

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Bangladeshi Buddhist monks.

Prior to our conversion to Islam, we ourselves were a majority Buddhist nation. Buddha himself was Indic and racially and linguistically closer to Bengalis and Rohingyas then to Mongoloid Chinese and Burmese who have adoped an Indian religion. In fact it is Bengalis who converted the Sinhalese in Sri Lanka to Buddhism. We also have Buddhist generals in our military.

We merely ask that Burma do what Bangladesh does and that is to give full-citizenship rights to over 1 million Rohingyas, which is a negligible 2% in a country of 50 million.

We have no desires on any part of Burmese soil and merely wish for peace and friendly relations.

IF however...

Burma wishes to continue persecuting Muslims and Rohingyas then Arakan will become to Burma what Waziristan is to Pakistan, Gaza is to Israel and the military operations by Rohingya guerillas which have already apparently started will escalate dramatically and possibly result in the destruction of the Burmese junta itself.

The choice is yours.
 
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Well, you are not first one to label us as a "basket case". And we have come a long way since 1971 despite all the pessimism.

You are most welcome to try.

No doubt you have exceeded expectations. But the expectations were super-duper-uber low. Let's be honest, though, BD is dependent on foreign aid and forbearance.
 
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No doubt you have exceeded expectations. But the expectations were super-duper-uber low. Let's be honest, though, BD is dependent on foreign aid and forbearance.

Now for the some facts:

URL: International Monetary Fund, World Economic Outlook - Google Public Data Explorer

BD is forecast to outgrow Pakistan, India and Sri Lanka till 2017 at least.

I wonder how much quicker GDP growth will get once power starts coming from the 1.3GW coal and the 2GW nuclear powers stations that will be ready by the latter part from this decade:lol:
 
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Daw Aung San Suu Kyi Offers Little Hope for Rohingya Refugees


By RAKSHA KUMAR


Raksha KumarA makeshift mosque constructed at a camp located on the outskirts of Delhi, by the Rohingyas, who are asylum seekers in India.

The first time that a leader of any consequence had spoken about the plight of the Rohingyas of Myanmar, considered one of the most persecuted minorities in the world, was when the Burmese opposition leader Daw Aung San Suu Kyi visited India last week. She told an Indian news channel that the violence against the Muslim minority group was a “huge international tragedy” and that she would try her best to help the situation.

Rohingya asylum seekers in India say the attention is coming too late.

“Nothing would ever help us, not elections, not military, not Daw Aung San Suu Kyi,” says Noor Begum, a Rohingya who lives in a makeshift camp outside Kalindi Kunj on the Delhi-Noida border.

Close to 800,000 Rohingyas, who are not recognized as citizens by Myanmar, live in desperate conditions in refugee camps, making them one of the largest groups of stateless people in Asia. According to the United Nations, they are among the world’s most persecuted minorities.

Human Rights Watch said Sunday that satellite imagery showed violence, arson and extensive destruction of homes in Rohingya Muslim areas in Arakan state in western Myanmar by ethnic Arakans in October, which the organization said was carried out with support of state security forces and local government officials.

All political parties in Myanmar, including Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi’s National League for Democracy, had been silent on the plight of the Rohingyas until the Burmese opposition leader’s visit to India. India, which houses 5,000 Rohingya asylum seekers, has also said little on the matter.

Udai Bhanu Singh, senior research associate at the Institute for Defense Studies and Analysis in Delhi, said such apathy cannot last longer, especially in India. “The Rohingya problem is currently not India’s main refugee problem, but it can soon be,” he said. “Bangladesh is getting stricter with its policy on the Rohingyas — their only refuge is India.”

Myanmar’s neighbors should pressure President Thein Sein of Myanmar to take steps toward the settlement of the Rohingya community, Mr. Singh said. “It is unsettling that Suu Kyi hasn’t come down heavily on the establishment for letting things go out of control on this issue,” he said.


Since Bangladesh has moved to evict the Rohingya settlers inside its border, more people like Ms. Begum are moving to India.

Ms. Begum landed in the small makeshift camp about a month and half ago. She fled Myanmar after Burmese Army soldiers took away her husband, Mohammad Gul, from their one-room house in Rakhine state, also called Arakan, in western Myanmar two months ago.

It was not the first time the army had threatened her — eight years ago she committed a crime by getting married, which was punishable by death. The Rohingyas are not permitted to marry in Myanmar because the authorities fear the Muslim ethnic group’s population would increase otherwise. Ms. Begum had to pay a “marriage tax,” which cost the couple all their savings, to escape punishment.

“The first thing one does when one marries surreptitiously is cross the river into Bangladesh,” said Mohammad Haroon, a 44-year-old Rohingya refugee in the same camp. “When we voted for Suu Kyi, one of her main promises was to abolish the marriage tax. She didn’t do that. She was put under house arrest before she could act.”

Now that Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi has returned to politics, Mr. Haroon held little hope that things would get better for the Rohingya. “It doesn’t matter who comes and goes,” he said. “Even Suu Kyi doesn’t want to say anything with respect to our matter, because that will affect her politically. The Buddhists wouldn’t like it.”

Another Rohingya, Maulana Abu Tayuub, 32, taught mathematics, English and Islamic studies in Arakan state. A month ago, his madrassa was demolished and a shop was built in its place. Knowing fully well that he would be the next target, he fled to Bangladesh, barely managing to inform his wife and son.

He has been teaching the kids of the refugee camp in Delhi since then. He said he doesn’t want to think of the life his wife and son would lead without him, as he was certain he would never see them again.

Mr. Tayuub said he knows nothing about the impending elections in Myanmar, scheduled in 2015, nor does he believe that any political party would change his situation in his country. “Whether it is the army or Suu Kyi, it is all the same. We will not be given our freedom,” he said.

On Monday, before a historic visit by President Obama, Thein Sein, the president of Myanmar, announced that his government would take “decisive action” to stop violence against the Rohingyas. But it will take much more than promises by politicians and presidents to convince the Rohingya refugees to return to Myanmar.

As Ms. Begum mixed sugar in rice batter, a simple meal to fill the stomachs of all her children, she said, “I would rather live in this country with dignity than go back to my own,” she said.

Daw Aung San Suu Kyi Offers Little Hope for Rohingya Refugees - NYTimes.com

1. ASEAN leaders have told Burma they are not happy with them being affected by the Rohingya refugee crisis e.g. Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia have all had to house Rohingyas.

2. India may follow suit soon.

India may pressure the junta to find a solution to the Arakan crisis so there is no more spillage of refugees.

3. There is no option for the Burmese junta but to give citizenship to the Rohingyas.

Even if they murdered every Rohingya alive, that would still not save them from the long term demographic threat of the Chinese.
 
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"It was not the first time the army had threatened her — eight years ago she committed a crime by getting married, which was punishable by death. The Rohingyas are not permitted to marry in Myanmar because the authorities fear the Muslim ethnic group’s population would increase otherwise. Ms. Begum had to pay a “marriage tax,” which cost the couple all their savings, to escape punishment."

This is an excerpt from the article above. The lines shows how immoral a country's rulers can be. They have found a novel way to confine the Rohingya numbers. It is such a deplorable and inhumane policy that no other country, however racist it may be, has ever adopted.

It is Burma that is only for the Barmans. This country Burma should be wiped out of the face of this Earth. I do not think, Barmans are going to change their attitudes. They are just a bunch of poker-faced devils who are smiling at the Americans now to get a maximum benefit out of it without any intention to give up their evil desire to crush any group which is not Barman.
 
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No doubt you have exceeded expectations. But the expectations were super-duper-uber low. Let's be honest, though, BD is dependent on foreign aid and forbearance.

Do you lot have any shame??? With lower per capita GDP (PPP) basis, higher poverty and other lower social indicator you are talking high here?? Do not forget one third of your country is still fighting for independence and more then 50% of the population of Myanmar those who are non bamar has no representation and oppressed. Soon you will see massive scale unrest by these groups.
 
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Do you lot have any shame??? With lower per capita GDP (PPP) basis, higher poverty and other lower social indicator you are talking high here?? Do not forget one third of your country is still fighting for independence and more then 50% of the population of Myanmar those who are non bamar has no representation and oppressed. Soon you will see massive scale unrest by these groups.

We have been under isolationist military dictatorship for the last 50 years and only now does your per capita PPP GDP get ahead of ours. Outside of healthcare, Myanmar trumps BD in most regards and this will no doubt change very rapidly in the next few years or so. Your talk of ethnic unrest is fanciful. If anything, this is going to be the time when ethnic unrest stops. The new representative parliament is wielding unlikely influence over government and the ethnics are feeling enfranchised for the most part. I have absolutely no worries about overtaking Bangladesh in net economic terms.

Most importantly, we are not a basket case as we receive barely a cent in aid and are not subject to borrowing from foreign governments and entities and so are not burdened with servicing debt.
 
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