No Excuse for Violence: Obama Tells Burma

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This is a video a few weeks ago showing Burmese attack helicopters bombing Kachin positions.

Next video: 14th December.

I have to say these Kachins do seem like brave fighters. I'm impressed.

 

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In this video Kachin guerillas claim they shot down an fighter jet:

Kachin villagers fleeing the junta bombing of civilians.

 

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Burma ‘using Chinese airspace’ as fighting nears Kachin HQ

By Francis Wade Jan 02, 2013 1:39PM UTC
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A Kachin soldier mans a frontline position near Laiza. Pic: AP.

There is now enough video and photo evidence to confirm that the Burmese military has deployed fighter jets and helicopters close to its border with China to use against the Kachin Independence Army (KIA). One video circulating on Facebook, in which you can hear a man speaking Kachin, shows a fighter jet being shot down. Despite this, and various other videos of attack helicopters and planes flying low over KIA positions, the government on Monday denied it was using aerial power. Instead it said the planes, which Kachin sources have claimed include Serbian-made G4 trainer jets, are being used to resupply Burmese battalions after KIA troops had cut off roads.

Serbian, G4.

Past reports of planes flying over KIA positions (and allegations the Burmese army was using chemical weapons) have surfaced since fighting first broke out in June 2011, although without the intensity of the latest wave from the Burmese side. Nor was there the hard video evidence that has emerged in the past fortnight.

It’s probably safe to say then that the conflict has moved into a new phase, as the Burmese push closer to the Kachin headquarters in Laiza (the government had reportedly ordered the KIA to clear a key supply road by 25 December, or risk heavier attacks). “We’ve heard motor fire in every 20 minutes day and night since 14 December,” one person wrote.

A source currently in Laiza told me today that fighting has broken out around Bumre Mountain, which lies around seven kilometres from Laiza, and is thus very close to the China border. It may well also be the closest that fighting has got to Laiza. Other unverified reports from the KIA claim the Chinese are complicit in the fighting.

“All the jets they have been using to crush the posts around Laiza are attacking Pangwa areas now,” another source said in an email. “They’re using Chinese airspace and bombarding there. So the Chinese police from border point-6 have gone. It’s obvious that China is the accomplice in this.”

Again, this can’t be independently confirmed, yet the Burmese army is known to have used Chinese territory earlier this year to launch a rear-guard assault on a Kachin battalion north of Laiza. That may or may not have been done this with the permission of Chinese authorities.

China however should be growing nervous at the proximity of the fighting to its border (Laiza town sits directly on the borderline). On several occasions, notably after the Burmese attack on Kokang rebels in 2009 that forced 30,000 refugees into China, it has warned Burma to maintain stability in the border regions where it has various lucrative investments. It may then have pressured Burma into attempting a final rout of the Kachin army, which as investment in Kachin state grows becomes a potentially destabilising force, although its strained relations with the government cloud the picture somewhat.

Of pressing concern is the safety of refugees close to Laiza. Conditions are already poor with the arrival of winter snow in the Kachin mountains, meaning that should fighting draw closer to the camps, the ability of refugees to flee will be hugely impeded. Kachin sources have said that planes and helicopters have flown over Je Yang and Hpung Lum Yang camps near Laiza, and as a result, “trenches and foxholes have been dug around the camps”. If China is indeed playing a hand in this latest push, then one can assume it would also tighten the border and potentially block refugees from crossing over (it already expelled around 7,000 Kachin refugees from its territory earlier this year). The situation is endlessly traumatic for the 70,000-odd displaced Kachin.

The lack of international condemnation for the latest wave of attacks is puzzling. “Just like Syria but where’s the intl outrage?” tweeted one journalist of the aerial assaults. Kachin have also used social media to vent anger at Aung San Suu Kyi, whom they say has not responded with any substance to the conflict. It’s worth remembering that President Thein Sein has twice already ordered troops to cease attacks on the Kachin, but clearly to no avail.

“The Burmese military is wrong to believe that the tenuous peace in other parts of Burma has given it a free hand to handle the Kachin conflict as it pleases,” reads a measured and important editorial in the Irrawaddy last week. “All it is doing is fanning the flames of ethnic resentment, and making real peace harder to achieve in the long run.”

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This is a comment by a poster from the website above.

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This killing in earnest (or trying desperately for it) is to flood the ancestral Kachin heartland with that Dam, and to get the Chinese the PIPEs and Rails through, right?
So Bamar mercenary Sit-tut is doing its stupid, clumsy assaults which always end up with deaths of the Burmese youth to fertilize Kachin Jungle. This time it is on larger scale with Russian/ Belarus airplanes and helicopters which give excellent pictures and video's but not really effective, right?So why not the Chinese who congenitally cannot understand any thing other than money, power and killing force in individual level as well as national level try to help crush these uppity Kachins with characteristic ruthlessness and cruelty as well?American led international business communities want Chinese to win. So they want Thein Sein fronted, Aung San Suu Kyi supported Sit-tut, their newest best friend advised by no less than the American Deputy Secretary of Defence on "counter-insurgency measures" to win. Right? Soros of Rothschilds out fit as well as Aung San Suu Kyi's buddy and her husband's fellow Jew is trying to bribe the KIA leadership to make things easy.So why the hell any one would utter a word for these uneducated, poor and inconsequential Kachins being mercilessly butchered and driven out?The Fancy New Year celebrating Bamar are now so well corrupted as a nation beyond hope that they want BUSINESS/ Money/ anything "western" at all cost. They can't wait to get their dirty little paws on money for all the beer and wine now that "The Five Precepts" have left this evil land where monks exhort to uphold and worship "Law-ba and Maw-ha as well as Daw-tha". They would pray to get rid of Kachin as quickly as possible as well. But they will be next in line before they find out yet again that the Business is not for them but for the usual crowd! By then it will be too late.Peace in Kachin Land is only if all Kachins die. So never!Inaction of the UN will be well remembered for generations.

1. The poster is claiming the Chinese want the Burmese to clear northern Burma of Kachin rebels so China can do business activities there including pipelines etc.

2. He claims the USA supports this too.

(US senators have said the Burmese junta could be tried for war crimes in Kachin)

3. The Kachins are getting money and arms from somewhere and someone.

Kachin state borders both China and India.

4. Will the Burmese junta be able to crush the Kachins?

I doubt it.

The only way this can be solved is through a political solution. If the Burmese junta can't crush the Kachin rebels then:

a: The war carries on indefinitely just as now...
b: The junta decides to stop killing and negotiates a real political solution with the Kachins (highly unlikely given the ultra-racist nature of the Bamars)
c: The war carries on and then the other rebel armies join the Kachins and launch a joint attack to capture the capital Naypyidaw as Syria's rebels are trying to capture Damascus.

 

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^ all the more reason to suck upto china eh ?

 

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^ all the more reason to suck upto china eh ?

1. Most Bangladeshis don't care about Burma and know very little about it.

We don't hate them...we don't like them.

The only issue is the Rohingya one.

2. We could care less about China-Burma relations as it doesn't bother us.

It only becomes an issue if it impacts the Rohingyas and also our burden of hosting between 1/2 a million to a million Rohingya refugees.

3. In the long term some of the Burmese are scared of the Chinese. Indians here complain about alleged "Bangladeshi immigration" to India but the Chinese mass migration to Burma has changed the demography of the country. At this rate, Burma will become another Malaysia where the Chinese dominate the economy.

So the Chinese are more of a threat to the Burmese than us.

Burma can't touch China or the millions of Chinese in Burma as China is a nuclear power with a 1 million strong army that can crush Burma as Russia crushed Georgia.








Myanmar’s Rohingya Muslims flee to Australia

Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:6PM GMT
Thousands of Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar have fled the country, with many taking incredible risks to reach Australia, to avoid religious persecution, Press TV reports.


Myanmar’s government refuses to recognize Rohingya Muslims as citizens and labels the minority of about 800,000 as “illegal” immigrants.

The persecuted minority have faced torture, neglect, and repression in Myanmar since it achieved independence in 1948.

Saeed Kazim, a Rohingya Muslim who fled to Australia, told Press TV on Monday, “The Burmese military came and arrested me. They took me to a military camp. They really tortured me. They beat me.”

On December 25, the United Nations General Assembly issued a resolution expressing concern over the persecution of Muslims in Myanmar. The resolution called on Myanmar’s government to “protect all their (Muslims) human rights, including their right to a nationality.”

The UN resolution also stated that there are “systematic violations of human rights and fundamental freedoms” in Myanmar.

Hundreds of Rohingyas are believed to have been killed and thousands displaced in attacks by the Buddhist extremists. The assaults have been mainly carried out in the western state of Rakhine.

Myanmar’s army forces have reportedly provided the extremists with containers of petrol for torching the houses of Muslim villagers.

Aung San Suu Kyi, the opposition leader in Myanmar, has come under fire for her stance on the ethnic violence. The Nobel Peace laureate has refused to censure Myanmar’s military for its persecution of the Rohingyas.

Rohingya Muslims are said to be descendants of Persian, Turkish, Bengali, and Pathan origins, who immigrated to Myanmar as early as the 8th century.

PressTV - Myanmar?s Rohingya Muslims flee to Australia

 

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Oh come on most posters are already calling them mujahids. And it IS abt religion. Do you expect bd and pakistanis getting so inflamed over problems faced by christian and buddhist groups in burma?

Rohingya refugees have been in Bangladesh since 1979. There were no indications of large-scale religious extremism. Regarding the situation in Arakan, it is largely ethnic. There are other ethnic Muslims over there such as Panthays (Chinese Muslims).

Despite the refugee issue, Bangladesh on its part always maintained amicable relations with Myanmar. And to be honest, most Bangladeshis in fact know very little about Myanmar's problems. They just know Aung Sang Suu Kyi, that's it.

There are two possible solutions I can think of regarding the Rohingya plight:

1. Train, arm them, and send in mercenaries from the Middle East, Central Asia and South Asia. Where there is conflict, they'll have assignments and a job to do. Though, this is costly, risky and dirty. However, this option is pretty easy and straight-forward to implement.

2. Organize a mass-exodus of Rohingyas to other third countries. This option is less costly, risky and more "peaceful". However, it would be difficult to implement it directly since there are no international laws that govern which countries should stateless peoples should go to. Don't forget, there are well over 100,000 Rohingya refugees in Thailand. I've seen some of them working as roti vendors on the streets of Bangkok - albeit illegally. There are around 25,000 in Malaysia. Organizing this exodus from all over Asia would be by no means easy. Neither Thailand nor Malaysia have citizenship grants to refugees, and there is a slim chance for that happening even in this situation.

Either way, the chance of a full-blown civil war is still a possibility.

 

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1. Most Bangladeshis don't care about Burma and know very little about it.

We don't hate them...we don't like them.

The only issue is the Rohingya one.

2. We could care less about China-Burma relations as it doesn't bother us.

It only becomes an issue if it impacts the Rohingyas and also our burden of hosting between 1/2 a million to a million Rohingya refugees.

3. In the long term some of the Burmese are scared of the Chinese. Indians here complain about alleged "Bangladeshi immigration" to India but the Chinese mass migration to Burma has changed the demography of the country. At this rate, Burma will become another Malaysia where the Chinese dominate the economy.

So the Chinese are more of a threat to the Burmese than us.

Burma can't touch China or the millions of Chinese in Burma as China is a nuclear power with a 1 million strong army that can crush Burma as Russia crushed Georgia.








Myanmar’s Rohingya Muslims flee to Australia

Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:6PM GMT
Thousands of Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar have fled the country, with many taking incredible risks to reach Australia, to avoid religious persecution, Press TV reports.


Myanmar’s government refuses to recognize Rohingya Muslims as citizens and labels the minority of about 800,000 as “illegal” immigrants.

The persecuted minority have faced torture, neglect, and repression in Myanmar since it achieved independence in 1948.

Saeed Kazim, a Rohingya Muslim who fled to Australia, told Press TV on Monday, “The Burmese military came and arrested me. They took me to a military camp. They really tortured me. They beat me.”

On December 25, the United Nations General Assembly issued a resolution expressing concern over the persecution of Muslims in Myanmar. The resolution called on Myanmar’s government to “protect all their (Muslims) human rights, including their right to a nationality.”

The UN resolution also stated that there are “systematic violations of human rights and fundamental freedoms” in Myanmar.

Hundreds of Rohingyas are believed to have been killed and thousands displaced in attacks by the Buddhist extremists. The assaults have been mainly carried out in the western state of Rakhine.

Myanmar’s army forces have reportedly provided the extremists with containers of petrol for torching the houses of Muslim villagers.

Aung San Suu Kyi, the opposition leader in Myanmar, has come under fire for her stance on the ethnic violence. The Nobel Peace laureate has refused to censure Myanmar’s military for its persecution of the Rohingyas.

Rohingya Muslims are said to be descendants of Persian, Turkish, Bengali, and Pathan origins, who immigrated to Myanmar as early as the 8th century.

PressTV - Myanmar?s Rohingya Muslims flee to Australia

why dont you guys send in your army and be the righteous voice of the muslim world. U see everyone is just crying foul. The muslim world need a torchbearer.. that could be BD

 

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Rohingya refugees have been in Bangladesh since 1979. There were no indications of large-scale religious extremism. Regarding the situation in Arakan, it is largely ethnic. There are other ethnic Muslims over there such as Panthays (Chinese Muslims).

Despite the refugee issue, Bangladesh on its part always maintained amicable relations with Myanmar. And to be honest, most Bangladeshis in fact know very little about Myanmar's problems. They just know Aung Sang Suu Kyi, that's it.

There are two possible solutions I can think of regarding the Rohingya plight:

1. Train, arm them, and send in mercenaries from the Middle East, Central Asia and South Asia. Where there is conflict, they'll have assignments and a job to do. Though, this is costly, risky and dirty. However, this option is pretty easy and straight-forward to implement.

2. Organize a mass-exodus of Rohingyas to other third countries. This option is less costly, risky and more "peaceful". However, it would be difficult to implement it directly since there are no international laws that govern which countries should stateless peoples should go to. Don't forget, there are well over 100,000 Rohingya refugees in Thailand. I've seen some of them working as roti vendors on the streets of Bangkok - albeit illegally. There are around 25,000 in Malaysia. Organizing this exodus from all over Asia would be by no means easy. Neither Thailand nor Malaysia have citizenship grants to refugees, and there is a slim chance for that happening even in this situation.

Either way, the chance of a full-blown civil war is still a possibility.

Agreed, so far BD has largely stayed away from avdenturism. I was only refering to the posts made by DB posters here. This includes your option 1 too, as its obviously dependent on religious fervour - the genie that refuses to go back into the bottle. Besides its not exactly easy to implement, do you think China and ASEAN or even USA wants some kind of islamic nation carved out of Myanmar? I can tell you India does not.

And what about the fallout of starting the jihad engine in BD. I hope no such senseless action is initiated and BD learns from Pakistan's experiments with jihad industry.

 

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2. Organize a mass-exodus of Rohingyas to other third countries. This option is less costly, risky and more "peaceful". However, it would be difficult to implement it directly since there are no international laws that govern which countries should stateless peoples should go to. Don't forget, there are well over 100,000 Rohingya refugees in Thailand. I've seen some of them working as roti vendors on the streets of Bangkok - albeit illegally. There are around 25,000 in Malaysia. Organizing this exodus from all over Asia would be by no means easy. Neither Thailand nor Malaysia have citizenship grants to refugees, and there is a slim chance for that happening even in this situation.

Stop advocating ethnic cleansing and mass expulsion of people from their homeland because of their race/religion.

This is like me saying we should "organize a mass exodus" of all Hindus from Pakistan (ethnic cleansing, collective punishment, a war crime).

or..

Let's "organize a mass exodus" of all Muslim Bengalis from West Bengal (ethnic cleansing).

 

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Agreed, so far BD has largely stayed away from avdenturism. I was only refering to the posts made by DB posters here. This includes your option 1 too, as its obviously dependent on religious fervour - the genie that refuses to go back into the bottle. Besides its not exactly easy to implement, do you think China and ASEAN or even USA wants some kind of islamic nation carved out of Myanmar? I can tell you India does not.

And what about the fallout of starting the jihad engine in BD. I hope no such senseless action is initiated and BD learns from Pakistan's experiments with jihad industry.

1. The Bangladeshi military and security establishment hate Jihadis and radicals, we arrested and imprisoned some radicals 12 months ago carrying out a conspiracy in the army and we also arrested and executed Bangla bhai and his thugs and executed him.

We closed down the Rohingya militia groups in the 2000s for the same reason.

2. The current BAL administration could care less about Rohingyas and if they were burnt or massacred inside Burmese borders then the Awami League doesn't care. What they do care about is if Rohingyas come on to Bangladeshi soil.

Sorry to be brutal, but this is the evil Awami League and the greedy Bangladeshi elite.

Bangladeshi secularists especially hate Rohingyas.

3. Once the BNP come in to power then maybe they will be ready to work with the Americans on resolving the Rohingya crisis.

Let me give you an example. A thug/bully goes to school and bullies people, messes around, doesn't study, hits and abuses. A sensible boy studies and is quite and behaves. The bully/thug sneers at the "nerd". Later on in life the bully learns the hard way being a thug doesn't pay.

The Burmese junta is learning the hard way that being a thug doesn't pay. The only solution to their problems is democracy, human rights and respecting all ethnic and religious groups of Burma, otherwise they will keep on facing the turmoil they're in now.

why dont you guys send in your army and be the righteous voice of the muslim world. U see everyone is just crying foul. The muslim world need a torchbearer.. that could be BD

That would be possible under any non-Awami league government as was the case under Zia or Ershad but not under an Awami League regime.

The Awami League is essentially anti-Muslim and their foreign minister Dipu Moni a while back even said Bangladesh is not a Muslim state/country.

She stated that the country is secular albeit with a Muslim-majority.

There are quite a few in the Awami League elite who have crypto-Hindu tendencies.

 

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Agreed, so far BD has largely stayed away from avdenturism. I was only refering to the posts made by DB posters here. This includes your option 1 too, as its obviously dependent on religious fervour - the genie that refuses to go back into the bottle. Besides its not exactly easy to implement, do you think China and ASEAN or even USA wants some kind of islamic nation carved out of Myanmar? I can tell you India does not.

And what about the fallout of starting the jihad engine in BD. I hope no such senseless action is initiated and BD learns from Pakistan's experiments with jihad industry.

I think that would be further instability, complexity and conflict.

Stop advocating ethnic cleansing and mass expulsion of people from their homeland because of their race/religion.

This is like me saying we should "organize a mass exodus" of all Hindus from Pakistan (ethnic cleansing, collective punishment, a war crime).

or..

Let's "organize a mass exodus" of all Muslim Bengalis from West Bengal (ethnic cleansing).

It's only a suggestion. I'm not advocating for anything. Please read it carefully.

The key point is not the ethical standards of the Burmese or the various Buddhist militant groups operating there, but for the existence of Rohingyas such that they can live a life to move on. They do not deserve this kind of treatment, and being in such a hostile and violent environment. No human-being does. It's not a question of being born different, but human.

I've not seen any armed attempts for the Rohingyas on behalf of any nation. Nothing from neither Thailand or Malaysia and even China.

Did you happen to see the M-16s and M-4s the ALA troops were carrying? They are undoubtedly US-made, and likely to have been supplied by the Thai Military. Let me tell you how it works.

The various rebel factions engage in various forms of trade with countries like China and Thailand, including drugs. It is from there that they get support and weapons. Yes, there is corruption in the PLA and the Thai Military. And what's more, China is powerful, whereas Thailand is a non-NATO ally.

Bangladesh? Not so much. And I do not blame Bangladesh for anything. It's a very young nation born out of a bloody war, and faced much political strife in its young history. There is very little that Bangladesh can technically do given its environment and limited power/backup. It is for this reason that officers of Bangladesh Army and intelligence did not do anything.

Is an armed attempt for the Rohingyas possible on behalf of multiple nations affected by the Rohingya refugee issue? Yes. But we haven't seen anything for past few decades. Maybe it might change? Who knows?

You can't just give a Rohingya an AK-47, fire up his will, pat him on the back and let him fight the Burmese Army and the various militias at the same time. It's not so simple.

Hope you get the picture.

 

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I think that would be further instability, complexity and conflict.



It's only a suggestion. I'm not advocating for anything. Please read it carefully.

The key point is not the ethical standards of the Burmese or the various Buddhist militant groups operating there, but for the existence of Rohingyas such that they can live a life to move on. They do not deserve this kind of treatment, and being in such a hostile and violent environment. No human-being does. It's not a question of being born different, but human.

I've not seen any armed attempts for the Rohingyas on behalf of any nation. Nothing from neither Thailand or Malaysia and even China.

Did you happen to see the M-16s and M-4s the ALA troops were carrying? They are undoubtedly US-made, and likely to have been supplied by the Thai Military. Let me tell you how it works.

The various rebel factions engage in various forms of trade with countries like China and Thailand, including drugs. It is from there that they get support and weapons. Yes, there is corruption in the PLA and the Thai Military. And what's more, China is powerful, whereas Thailand is a non-NATO ally.

Bangladesh? Not so much. And I do not blame Bangladesh for anything. It's a very young nation born out of a bloody war, and faced much political strife in its young history. There is very little that Bangladesh can technically do given its environment and limited power/backup. It is for this reason that officers of Bangladesh Army and intelligence did not do anything.

Is an armed attempt for the Rohingyas possible on behalf of multiple nations affected by the Rohingya refugee issue? Yes. But we haven't seen anything for past few decades. Maybe it might change? Who knows?

You can't just give a Rohingya an AK-47, fire up his will, pat him on the back and let him fight the Burmese Army and the various militias at the same time. It's not so simple.

Hope you get the picture.

1. The Rohingyas have world wide attention and the support of the 1 billion + (usually divided) Muslim world including the governments of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Iran etc.

Iran's top leader has spoken about this issue.

King Abdullah of Saudi has personally spoken out in rage.

Erdogan of Turkey has and sent his wife and daughter to Arakan along with Turkey's foreign minister.

Indonesia has been very active.

2. In the 1990s Saudi Arabia, the USA (Pakistan as well? @asad71) wanted Bangladesh to take Arakan and were totally behind us and were going to give support, but Khaleda Zia's government backed down due to threats from India.

3. Prior to the post 9/11 clamp down there were Rohingya rebel groups who recieved support from Muslim states based in Bangladesh.

We did it before, we can do it again. The only that stopped was not lack of resources but fear of American hostility to the presence of "militants".

Your post emanates from total unawareness of the realities and history of this issue and effectively endorses ethnic cleansing, a war crime.

The Rohingyas have the support of the entire Muslim world and Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Iran, Malaysia, GCC, Egypt breathing down the necks of the Burmese junta.

 

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1. The Rohingyas have world wide attention and the support of the 1 billion + (usually divided) Muslim world including the governments of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Iran etc.

Iran's top leader has spoken about this issue.

King Abdullah of Saudi has personally spoken out in rage.

Erdogan of Turkey has and sent his wife and daughter to Arakan along with Turkey's foreign minister.

Indonesia has been very active.

2. In the 1990s Saudi Arabia, the USA (Pakistan as well? @asad71) wanted Bangladesh to take Arakan and were totally behind us and were going to give support, but Khaleda Zia's government backed down due to threats from India.

3. Prior to the post 9/11 clamp down there were Rohingya rebel groups who recieved support from Muslim states based in Bangladesh.

We did it before, we can do it again. The only that stopped was not lack of resources but fear of American hostility to the presence of "militants".

Your post emanates from total unawareness of the realities and history of this issue and effectively endorses ethnic cleansing, a war crime.

The Rohingyas have the support of the entire Muslim world and Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Iran, Malaysia, GCC, Egypt breathing down the necks of the Burmese junta.

Well, those do not equal to attempts to initiate an armed struggle as you are suggesting for the Rohingyas. It's called diplomacy.

Indonesia? Other than a bunch of arm-chair warriors, I've not seen anything out of their government. Ironically, they do not host any Rohingya refugees

There's a wise description by a British diplomat about SEATO at the time: "A zoo full of paper tigers"

And that is what they still are.

And any sources/evidence for the second part? USA supporting such an endeavor? Really?

And Rohingyas have world attention? I think that would go to Syria. It appears they are too busy in their "humanitarian missions" in the Middle East

Anyhow, it'd ultimately require support from others as well. My point being that Bangladesh with the backing of a handful of Muslim states will not be sufficient.

As far the USA is concerned, they are aware of the dangers of backsliding. But Obama's recent visit to Myanmar really wasn't a moment they didn't want to miss to be honest. And this is so considering that there hasn't been any progress on its relations with countries like Iran, North Korea and Venezuela. Only Burma showed some promise.

Will USA support an armed struggle? I guess only time can tell. All options should be open.

 

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Well, those do not equal to attempts to initiate an armed struggle as you are suggesting for the Rohingyas. It's called diplomacy.

Indonesia? Other than a bunch of arm-chair warriors, I've not seen anything out of their government. Ironically, they do not host any Rohingya refugees

There's a wise description by a British diplomat about SEATO at the time: "A zoo full of paper tigers"

And that is what they still are.

And any sources/evidence for the second part? USA supporting such an endeavor? Really?

And Rohingyas have world attention? I think that would go to Syria. It appears they are too busy in their "humanitarian missions" in the Middle East

Anyhow, it'd ultimately require support from others as well. My point being that Bangladesh with the backing of a handful of Muslim states will not be sufficient.

As far the USA is concerned, they are aware of the dangers of backsliding. But Obama's recent visit to Myanmar really wasn't a moment they didn't want to miss to be honest. And this is so considering that there hasn't been any progress on its relations with countries like Iran, North Korea and Venezuela. Only Burma showed some promise.

Will USA support an armed struggle? I guess only time can tell. All options should be open.

You clearly do not know anything about the Rohingya crisis and are not well-informed.

Indonesia? Other than a bunch of arm-chair warriors, I've not seen anything out of their government. Ironically, they do not host any Rohingya refugees

Uninformed statements followed by an immature little emoticon.

Indonesia Welcomes Rohingya Refugees

Indonesia Takes In 9 Myanmar Shipwreck Survivors - WSJ.com

I could go on.

Indonesia is the biggest state in ASEAN with the biggest economy and has sent high-level politicians to visit Arakan (how many Bangladeshi politicians have gone to Arakan? - none) and raised the Rohingya issue in ASEAN, the OIC and the UN.

And Rohingyas have world attention? I think that would go to Syria. It appears they are too busy in their "humanitarian missions" in the Middle East

You are talking absolute nonsense now.

The Rohingya issue has been on Al-Jazeera, the BBC, CNN, Press TV there have been protests all over the world. Go through the thread. Obama has gone to Burma and spoken about the Rohingyas (that's how this thread started).

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PressTV - Iran urges Muslims to act on genocide of Rohingyas

PressTV - Iranian cleric urges Arabs to defend Rohingyas, stop fuelling Syria crisis

Turkey Holds Talks With Myanmar On Rohingya Muslims

RI ready to fight for Rohingya | The Jakarta Post

In his first official statement regarding the prolonged communal violence in western Myanmar between Rakhine Buddhists and Rohingya Muslims, Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa said that Indonesia would raise the problem at the Extraordinary Summit of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, scheduled for mid-August.

Marty said that Indonesia would emphasize its opposition to any kind of human rights violations, including the violence against the Rohingya in Myanmar.

“We must highlight, again, that Indonesia has consistently rejected discrimination based on religion, ethnicity, or any other reason. Our stance also applies to the ongoing attacks against the Rohingya in Myanmar,” Marty told reporters at his office.

Marty also insisted that Indonesia would not sit idly by while western Myanmar burns.

He said that Indonesia had sent an envoy to Bangladesh and Myanmar in 2010 to investigate the conflict between the Rohingya and the Rakhine after refugees from the conflict poured in into the country.

“We have always brought the issue into multilateral and bilateral discussions with Myanmar. So it’s not true that we don’t care. Our silence doesn’t mean we don’t care,” Marty said

Indonesia to help rebuild homes for Rohingyas in Burma