No concessions' to Turkey on rights in migrant deal: Hollande

[AUz]

Gimme a break. MAGNITUDE greater than ours? Let's look at the numbers
PPP Italy: 2,17 trillion
Turkey: 1,57 trillion

GDP
Italy: 1,8 trillion
Turkey: 0,8 trillion
GDP wise, well yours is double. But if we look at power purchasing parity there isn't magnitude difference.
Your import and export is approximately double of Turkey. That's one side of the economic indications, lets look how each country's economy fares.
Gdp growth italy 0,8 percent
Turkey: 4 percent

Public debt of italy 133% of GDP
Turkey 35% of GDP

Gross external debt of Italy: 2,6 trillion
Turkey: 0,4 trilloin

In 10 or so years your "magnitude" economic greateness will be less than Turkey's. Even now your fuel consists of external debts. Enjoy your demise

Hey hey hey now..don't do that. That's too much economics and too much reality for @MarkusS



Comparing Italy with Turkey is like comparing apple to oranges. Turkey is a real power with much, much stronger military than Italy.

Italy is a dying, irrelevant thing that nobody in the world cares about. When was the last time U.S president went to Italy for strategic negotiations in regards to regional conflicts? Whereas United States and Turkey often hold talks of this sort.

People like @MarkusS like to live in their bubble...and let them do so. They think that a country like Italy--which has MORE debt than it produces as a whole!---can be taken seriously because "oh we have nice houses here."

Yeah mate, you are growing near 0% with 133% debt-to-GDP ratio while a much bigger military power is growing 4% with just 35% debt-to-GDP ratio---and we should take you seriously over the "actual" power in the region? Yeah sure....come back again when you aren't smoking Italian weed.

Turkey is one of the most powerful and significant republic of Europe. Easily the strongest power in Central and Eastern Europe (Russia isn't being counted here as its not a part of NATO). And that's when Turkey is in its "developing" stage and hasn't reached to full potential.

 

[That Guy]

Our PM will veto the turk deal as well.

Italy, Spain, Portugal, Hungary, Poland, Slovakia, Cyprus, Slovenia, Czech republic, Austria already made clear they won´t allow via free entry for turkey. Now France said in public that this will never going to happen.

I´m quite happy with the current developments.

We don´t need turkey to seal off greece. The refugee numbers dropped to nearly zero in EU recently. Spain shows how it works. And once they know its hopeless and they will be stuck in greece, it will stop by itself.

Sure, seal off Greece, that won't stop the refugee flow. It'll just piss off the Greeks, and weaken the EU.

You don't seem to understand how economics, or human trafficking work.

By the way, most of the drop off for refugee numbers is because Turkey agreed to halt the flow of refugees going into Europe.

of course cyprus was just an excuse. There is not one european country that wants turkey in the EU. There isn´t even a majority to give them visa free travel.

It was a bad decission to create hope where no reality is.

In other words, the EU lied.

 

[Armstrong]

@Vauban @MarkusS - Can I come to France and Italy ?

For Ze Women and Ze Food !

 

[That Guy]

Hey hey hey now..don't do that. That's too much economics and too much reality for @MarkusS



Comparing Italy with Turkey is like comparing apple to oranges. Turkey is a real power with much, much stronger military than Italy.

Italy is a dying, irrelevant thing that nobody in the world cares about. When was the last time U.S president went to Italy for strategic negotiations in regards to regional conflicts? Whereas United States and Turkey often hold talks of this sort.

People like @MarkusS like to live in their bubble...and let them do so. They think that a country like Italy--which has MORE debt than it produces as a whole!---can be taken seriously because "oh we have nice houses here."

Yeah mate, you are growing near 0% with 133% debt-to-GDP ratio while a much bigger military power is growing 4% with just 35% debt-to-GDP ratio---and we should take you seriously over the "actual" power in the region? Yeah sure....come back again when you aren't smoking Italian weed.

Turkey is one of the most powerful and significant republic of Europe. Easily the strongest power in Central and Eastern Europe (Russia isn't being counted here as its not a part of NATO). And that's when Turkey is in its "developing" stage and hasn't reached to full potential.

Turkey is not the most powerful or most significant republic in Europe, it's in the top 5, but it isn't at the top. France, UK, Germany all outweigh it.

 

[Vergennes]

@Vauban @MarkusS - Can I come to France and Italy ?

Everyone is welcome to visit or even live in France as long as our values,people,country,history,culture are respected. There will be no problems then.

 

[Armstrong]

Everyone is welcome to visit or even live in France as long as our values,people,country,history,culture are respected. There will be no problems then.

Seems fair....!

But does that mean that I can't spice up French food or the night life of Paris ?

 

[AUz]

Turkey is not the most powerful or most significant republic in Europe, it's in the top 5, but it isn't at the top. France, UK, Germany all outweigh it.

I said "one of the top"

C'mon......

 

[NL_Turk]

It's interesting how so many EU citizens get all riled up about EU accession talks when pretty much any sane person already knows Turkey will never become an EU member.

They should just make free trade and travel agreements and get this shit over with. I don't know why these politicians keep going on with this theater show.

 

[AUz]

Everyone is welcome to visit or even live in France as long as our values,people,country,history,culture are respected. There will be no problems then.

Here in America, in our classes, we always used to laugh on French for how serious they take themselves while rest of the world doesn't care.

Mate, nobody cares for you irrelevant history, or your "culture" (whatever it is), or people blah blah...We just go to France to see sights and have fun. That's all.

No wonder all my friends regarded French as most unwelcoming turds to tourists...

 

[That Guy]

I said "one of the top"

C'mon......

My mistake, I apologize. I read that as "the top".

 

[Vergennes]

Seems fair....!

But does that mean that I can't spice up French food or the night life of Paris ?

Just don't forget ;

Le baguette.
Le moustache.
Le pull rayé
Le "Ou lala".

Le most important is bien sûr,le baguette. No baguette,no chicks.

Young,older... jamais without le baguette.

You understand the thing now.

 

[MarkusS]

Sure, seal off Greece, that won't stop the refugee flow. It'll just piss off the Greeks, and weaken the EU.

You don't seem to understand how economics, or human trafficking work.

By the way, most of the drop off for refugee numbers is because Turkey agreed to halt the flow of refugees going into Europe.


In other words, the EU lied.

You are wrong. The boarder fence at macedonia cut the line and closed the balkan.

The goal is to create a misery at the boarder far greater than they have in turkey. If you shift the living conditions so hard against them, they will prefer turkey over EU. And we have a warrior acting at Idomeni who is far more cruel as ISIS could ever be - nature. The cold, the mud, the rain makes them retreat.

Its simple math. They are poor but dry in your camps. In ours they are poor but sit in water and mud.

Foreign minister Kurz from austria said the pictures are exactly what we need. Pure misery

And just as we speak the effects kick in. What we see is the reverse thrust kicking in. They lost all hope. Nature broke their will. Thousands retreated today and leave already...

Migrants reluctantly beginning to leave Idomeni for Athens - Το Βήμα Online

Best aspect is that the man who planned and performed this, Austrias foreign minister Kurz is the youngest foreign minister worldwide. He is just 27 and so roughly my age:

He shows that we are plaqued by old people in politics and it needs people like us to solve problems with new unorthodox ideas.
He said in an interview that the pictures are hard to endure but thats exactly what we need. The more miserable, the more cruel. The better for evryone. Also betetr for the refugees who will not risk their life anymore.

 

[That Guy]

You are wrong. The boarder fence at macedonia cut the line and closed the balkan.

The goal is to create a misery at the boarder far greater than they have in turkey. If you shift the living conditions so hard against them, they will prefer turkey over EU. And we have a warrior acting at Idomeni who is far more cruel as ISIS could ever be - nature. The cold, the mud, the rain makes them retreat.

Its simple math. They are poor but dry in your camps. In ours they are poor but sit in water and mud.

Foreign minister Kurz from austria said the pictures are exactly what we need. Pure misery

And just as we speak the effects kick in. What we see is the reverse thrust kicking in. They lost all hope. Nature broke their will. Thousands retreated today and leave already...

Migrants reluctantly beginning to leave Idomeni for Athens - Το Βήμα Online

Best aspect is that the man who planned and performed this, Austrias foreign minister Kurz is the youngest foreign minister worldwide. He is just 27 and so roughly my age:

He shows that we are plaqued by old people in politics and it needs people like us to solve problems with new unorthodox ideas.
He said in an interview that the pictures are hard to endure but thats exactly what we need. The more miserable, the more cruel. The better for evryone. Also betetr for the refugees who will not risk their life anymore.

lol, try re-reading my comments, this is shooting yourself in the foot.

 

[-SINAN-]

To stop the flow,instead of spending billions of € to a somewhat dictator in the making,we could just chase the boat people from the European waters and send back those that entered the European mainland.
Building walls also showed to be effective to stop the flow of migrants,leaving the "no borders,welcome refugees,peace and lovists" in embarrassment.

Well, good luck trying then....2000-3000 refugees founds their way into Greece daily.

I have been saying this for months....let's see if you can stop them by physical means....these guys escaped ISIS, passed through mine-fields, risked being shot by Turkish soldiers...and you say "We are going to stop them by walls".... good luck.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Best aspect is that the man who planned and performed this, Austrias foreign minister Kurz is the youngest foreign minister worldwide. He is just 27 and so roughly my age:

If inhumanity is the maxim, then yeah he is totally a badass!