Nisar slams Altaf for 'intolerable' remarks against security forces

[Secret Service]

....Altaf hussian threatening DG Rangers

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[Secur]

But each time this man altaf shows up with more and more toxcity, tell me did imran, defence minister asif or even zardari ,nawz spewed this degree of venom against establishmen or anti state statementst?

Worse. Should I post what Zardari actually said recently?

Here you go.

"Hamein jang karna aata hai aur sirf hamein hi aata hai" (we know how to wage war and only we know how to do it)
"Hamein nhi chero warna hum tumhein nhi choren ge" (don't mess with/provoke us or we wont leave you)
"Eint se eint baja den ge" (we will tear you down brick by brick)
"Meine apko khabardar kardiya hai" (I have warned you x3)
"BB shaheed ki maut ke bad, meine Pakistan khappay ka naura lgaya tha, magar har cheez ki had hoti hai" (after Benazir's death, I chanted the slogan of "Pakistan should remain", but there's a limit to everything)
"Agar hum chahen, tu Sindh hi nhi, Karachi se le ker F.A.T.A. tak sab bund hojaye ga" (If we wish, not only Sindh, everything from Karachi to FATA will be blocked)

I apologize for the harsh tone. I am no MQM or Altaf fan, however its the denial of the deeper problem that bothers me.

A few days ago---one of the Altaf Hussein's follower slammed AVM Shaihd Lateef for peeing in his pants while in flight---.

And you think that you need to explain something a drunk obese said?

He fails to read "Enjoy responsibly" every time, the result well you see it.

 

[Secret Service]

 

[Musafir117]

Atleast Imran Khan did not publicly insult Army nor does he preach hate against Army, the video was leaked. On the other hand, altaf the biggest terrorist in UK (gets protected by f-ed up laws) openly preaches hate against army. I wounder what would happen to British political party leader if he openly starts hate speech against its Military.



Which political party in India insults Indian Army DG and gets away with it?

To talk about someone on his back not only a sin and if it's about Pak army generals it's also dangerous God know what else he talking against Army in back doors, Do I need to repeat my words again the post you quoted me? It was start as " Charge him(AH) whatever law or constitute allow or according with but you other hand even not condemning the words of Hazrat Imran Khan even, condemn him also it's very simple doesn't need any myth to bust.
How many time you guys need to know that we condemn AH speeches regarding insulting Pak Army? Anyway I hope I satisfy you now be a good insafian condemn IK also koi apko deen e imrani se baher nahi nikal de ga.

 

[rockstar08]

Meray aziz, Phatti to Altaf ki hui hai, As he is jumping frequently up and down.

And in both zardari and this speech, Government of Pakistan responded to the allegations. Why are you dragging army into this ? Did they say something that I miss against this recent MQM speech ?

Janaab yeh koi new baat tu nai ? AH is known for his ***** statements ..we all know that ...

i did not drag army, but ask a simple question why Army did not respond on Zardari allegation and statements ? are they scared of Zardari ? last time AH speak against army there was a strong response from ISPR , but you know after Zardari statement i waited and still waiting for a Statement from ISPR , meri Saleem Bajwaa sahaab se baat cheet nai hai na warna pouch leta

 

[Jango]

@Secur ...i'll get back tomorrow.

 

[rockstar08]

Aaj ki Raat bari khass hai , Bhaiyun Larai choro maafi mang lo Allah se

 

[Secur]

But honestly if anyone who goes in circles ,is none other than urself. U wud bring any aira gaira to back and strenghten ur argument. U literally make maggi noodles out of readers brain. We had argued over jinnah conspiracy ,ihad said i dont buy it was a lie.and igave some link too.

As of bugti , dude altaf has been on terror journey for last 30plus years and is sitting cosy in london, bugti is dead and gone .....yet u cant see the difference????

Tell me the discrimination is against whom?? Mohajr community?? Army is discriminating against mohajira ?? Or is it discrimination between mqm and pmln ppp?

Happens, when people discuss everything but the problem at hand. The last time I debated with you, I brought up two top brass sources, both insistent that Jinnahpur maps didn't exist- the main basis for continuing the operation in Karachi.

Altaf hasn't been on terror journey for the entirety of his party's existence, come on that won't even be true for Nazis However he's a criminal and terrorist, he gets his people in trouble by unnecessarily speaking when he should keep quiet. And he operates a militant wing. But that is true for most other political leaders, why isolate and target him? Why rain havoc on a single person when you spare all others?

Yes of course, against a specific race like before. And well you disagree with the whole of part of my posts regarding Operation Cleanup 1992, look what happened there.

At the crack of dawn on June 19, 1992, three hundred MQM dissidents backed by the army rangers took control over key MQM offices. In the months that followed, the MQM Party was crushed — its workers arrested or forced underground, their families brutalized. An army press campaign against the MQM "exposed" MQM torture chambers, and stories of rape and extortion flooded the front pages. That half of these stories were true made the exaggerated and fabricated claims all the more believable. Despite military backing the dissident group, known as the "real" or Haqiqi faction of the MQM, failed to gain any following at all. Since the Muhajir community as a whole bore the brunt of a program of systematic intimidation and harassment by the state, even those Muhajirs who had previously not supported the MQM, or did not believed in the politicization of their Muhajir identity, now felt that they had no choice but to support Altaf's MQM. (The Battlefields of Karachi: Ethnicity, Violence and the State

Only this part is wrong!

 

[Musafir117]

Aaj ki Raat bari khass hai , Bhaiyun Larai choro maafi mang lo Allah se

Munh ki baat Cheen li aap ne better anti MQM squad spent time in mosques and pray hardly to God to get rid from MQM instead of hamara sarr khaen yahan

 

[Jango]

The Govt of Baluchistan supported insurgents somehow back then? Or it didn't have courage to condemn him despite it being a provincial issue?

OK. I take your word for it. Why not do it now instead of naming trains for the dead terrorist? Instead of dwelling over a matter that doesn't affect them as much, MQM doesn't have any political base in that province.

It wasn't a provincial issue...it was of national importance at that time and it was Musharraf and the Army who were spear heading it...not the provincial government.

Now whatever successive government's did is the Army's fault? TBH, I am still cross at the Islamabad airport among other things being named after Benazir Bhutto. She was also a crook.

You tell me, what's the more pressing issue at the moment? People getting killed in Karachi or a train named after a dead Baloch militant about whom the public isn't so concerned about because his party isn't the one having a major part to play in violence in Pakistan's largest city?

Army should now go an start changing train names?

No, it didn't. It doesn't ever in this country. Case in point: Zardari. Uses similar language in a relatively polite tone, nothing whatsoever from either the ISPR, military establishment or the political party. Only if Altaf had said it then probably all heavens would have fallen in an instant! Solve this one, I have cases from the present time frame. So, what is the default thinking this time, according to you, my friend?

That's also comparable and I agree he should be tried for it and brought into the docks. But isn't the operation being targeted at PPP as well just as it is against MQM? Isn't Uzair Baloch in jail? Weren't the SBCA and fisheries corporation buildings raided? Weren't press releases made regarding the funding to Bilawal house?

That's why Zardari barked up.

Corp Commander and DG Rangers met with CM and talked with Zardari BTW and things didn't go down all too well just so you know.

Secondly, the charges against Altaf are a bit different nature as well. He is being along with MQM being accused of getting RAW funding...Zardari isn't. All charges against him are mostly of corruption...

Let me get your angle in this, are you against the attitude of the Army or the government?

Answer me then. They can subject the MQM chief to all sort of slander, true/false accusements, media trail, widespread political condemnation and a resolution from a certain assembly.

But Munawwar Hasan, Fazlur rehman, Asfand yar-wali, Imran khan, Sharif brothers and recently Zardari can still get a free pass after stating similar against the military. So everything is different for time has changed, yet the treatment of traitors hasn't. Give me a valid reason to dismiss the "biasness" theory.

All those people you mentioned excluding Zardari said things relating to political actions of the Army, not taking up arms against the state. They raised points about dictatorship and political meddling, not of this sort. Completely different.

BTW, wasn't a resolution also passed against Zardari? I remember a motion being moved in Punjab Assembly I think...and there was also a "media trial" as MQM likes to put it...let me ask..what exactly is a "media trial"? The word has become a farce now.

Those are recent words, the treatment was the same last time too.

Interestingly, no one said a single freaking harsh word when Zardari threatened the military (openly!), warned them of war and then left for Dubai with no one raising an eyebrow. I waited for resolution of condemnation from the Baluchistan assembly or from political leaders. I was disappointed.

Here you go:

Nisar condemns Zardari's remarks against army
Federal Interior Minister Chaudhary Nisar Ali Khan termed Zardari's remarks as inappropriate and needless.

"It is obvious that Mr Zardari is targeting a sensitive national institution to veil his own wrongdoings," said Nisar.

The minister said it was unfortunate that these comments from the former president came at a time when Pakistan's soldiers were sacrificing their lives in the country's war against terrorism. Nisar said no national institution was responsible for PPP's diminishing popularity, adding that the party's own dismal governance had led to its downfall.

"Zardari sahab can say whatever he wants but every Pakistani respects and loves Pakistan Army."

And, Nawaz cancels Zardari meeting after anti-military outburst - Pakistan - DAWN.COM...so what else do you want?

Imran Khan slams Asif Zardari for his statement about Pakistan Army | The News Tribe

Hence your whole argument becomes invalid. Everyone discussed the Zardari issue as well.

It sickens me that most of the "selective Altaf haters" aren't even aware of the type of the language and the tone of the message used by the nationalists against other races, the military and Pakistan as a state!

So Altaf should go scotch free and be let free to keep on making such speeches?

First of all for what was happening in Karachi we cant put all the blame on MQM. Supreme court has held ANP, PPP, and MQM, as well as TTP, Sunni Tahreek all responsible for unrest in Karachi. Secondly, you don't get to know what ANP, PKMA, or other ultra nationalists say in their speeches because it is not covered by mainstream Urdu or English media. To know what kind of language they use, you need to read newspapers and bulletins in local languages or visit their websites. I am sure you'll not be happy to read those. Thirdly, the differences are not as superficial as just ideological or constitutional; these entities have been against the very creation of Pakistan hence Bacha's affiliation with Congress, Mufti Mahmood's statement "Allah ka shukar hey, hum Pakistan bananey key gunah mein shareek nahin they", etc. are all on the record.

PPP affiliated people getting arrested and raided by Rangers as well, ANP people arrrested, Sunni Tehreek HQ raided...TTP, well 'nuff said regarding them. So where is the selective operation against MQM?

And everyone knows what those ultras say...I have read those extensively...but the point is, Bacha Khan's words or Mufti Mehmood's statement weren't made in July 2015...they were made ages ago...so what's the more pressing issue? Altaf inciting violence or a dead Bacha Khan?

Aik waqt main aik hi mahaz rakhna chahiay...why rile up a whole different segment of society by going after Bacha Khan or the closet Maulvis?

You want everyone going to war with everyone at the same time?

 

[WAJsal]

What about the role of pakistani army and so many coup against elected civilian govt ? Is there any accountability ?

threads on AH's comments and Pakistan govt taking action on it. How can you people defend a person speaking against Pakistan army and other institutions.

"Agar DG Rangers apnay baap ki aulaad hai tau jaye Kashmir mein larray.....92 mein operation kernay walay kuttay ki maut marray, aaj operation kernay waalay soo-er ki maut marein ge"

What an asshole. Sorry for the language, have to say it.

 

[ghoul]

All these Altafs, Waseem Akhtars, Haidar Abbasses, Zardaris, Khwajas can only talk ill about the army; the young officers of which are laying down their own lives so that these racist sons of b****es can sleep easy at night. TTP ka tou naam lene se phatt jati hai inki.

As for Altaf, he should definitely be arrested. He's openly claiming to have killed security forces men in 92(the operation was well justified for MQM started target killing navy and army officials even).

 

[Bratva]

Janaab yeh koi new baat tu nai ? AH is known for his ***** statements ..we all know that ...

i did not drag army, but ask a simple question why Army did not respond on Zardari allegation and statements ? are they scared of Zardari ? last time AH speak against army there was a strong response from ISPR , but you know after Zardari statement i waited and still waiting for a Statement from ISPR , meri Saleem Bajwaa sahaab se baat cheet nai hai na warna pouch leta

Did zardari used such language which ALtaf used in Post 48 video or two days ago speech ?

 

[Panther 57]

I condemn Altaf too, but can anyone here enlighten me on why Ch.Nisar didn't use such language against Zardari and other nationalist traitors? Anything against the notorious late Bugti? Any resolution from the Baluchistan assembly for that specific angry brother on the mountain like the one which condemned Altaf for his remarks? Because I still see trains being named after him and political leaders taking his name or detailing his life in a respectful manner! And when is ISPR or anyone from the military establishment at least apologizing for the ill fated and biased operation in 1992 against a specific race in Karachi resulting in 15k dead and countless injured/maimed/persecuted for not being the son of the soil while gaining nothing for the city and by extension the country? Anyone in possession of the fake map of Jinnahpur which the minds of the said operation deny in its entirety? Dig something up from the military intelligence archives, why keep it a secret like Hamood-ur-Rehman commission report? Anyone apologizing for unleashing the extremism and radicalization within the country and creating Mujaheddin and Taliban for which they have to fight against today?


You have someone speaking against the selective condemnation of traitors and not believing in infallibility of the military? Must be a traitor himself!

When discrimination is present inside, trust me that you need no one to harm you from outside.

In 1992 what happened was not wrong either. Ask those who used to live close to places like Khaji ground; whole night people were tortured. Neighbours could hear their screaming. MQM dudh ki dhuli nahi hai. What happened with them and what is happening with them is Makafat-e-Amal.

In karachi people are deprived of water, who is doing this. Its their people who want monthly money to open KWSB lines. Bilawal House gets their 100 million a day from hydrants. They are all ruthless people they should be treated ruthlessly.

 

[nizamuddin]

army ka kam siyasat main nahi ... sarhadon per hay