Nine days and eight lives later, Pakistan holds fire along border

[Burhan Wani]

so you love a mrauder just because he looted , rapes and killed hindus that time but tell dint he came thru modern day pakistan raping pulndering and looting your own forefathers ... no wonder pakistani nation is going thru such a bad time

Mahmood Ghaznavi Plundered and looted my fore fathers ROFL

 

[Desh Bhakt . 773]

Mahmood Ghaznavi Plundered and looted my fore fathers ROFL

well arent you a pakistani but then who am i reasoning with

 

[kadamba-warrior]

Solution? Convince? Wow, it doesn't get much more naive than that.
This is a problem that can only be managed, there is no solution available. The interests of the 2 countries are diametrically opposite, there is simply no meeting point and we should expect anything but an cold peace as the best scenario probable.

Exactly!!! It can only be managed until one of the two entities ceases to exist!

More important question is "convince to talk about what?"!

Pakistanis are really eager to talk. They don't certainly need any convincing. But the talks are bound to fail as usual -- because by talks, what Pakistan really wants is Kashmir on a platter!!!

Also and equally importantly, we would only be encouraging Pakistani bad behaviour if talks were to be held after such a grave violation!!!

 

[Burhan Wani]

well arent you a pakistani but then who am i reasoning with

I am Afghan Descendent,

 

[Desh Bhakt . 773]

I am Afghan Descendent, Belong from Ahmad Shah Abdali's tribe located at Ghazni

well do you know mahmood ghaznavi had comethru that part aswell

even ahmedshah abdaali looted and raped so technikalli your a product of that

and your proud of that

 

[Burhan Wani]

well do you know mahmood ghaznavi had comethru that part aswell

even ahmedshah abdaali looted and raped so technikalli your a product of that

and your proud of that

No words for you son. It;s your time For cartoon network and Chotha Bheem.

 

[Desh Bhakt . 773]

No words for you son. It;s your time For cartoon network and Chotha Bheem.

well wen you dont have a valid answer you take the dailog personal

 

[Burhan Wani]

well wen you dont have a valid answer you take the dailog personal

Ahaan. My valid answers are written in this book.

 

[Desh Bhakt . 773]

Ahaan. My valid answers are written in this book. View attachment 127732

well we all know how these books have made pakistan such a peacefull nation

 

[sancho]

He sounded irritated with media on playing this victim card.....

True and he is not wrong about it, we have the natural habit to point fingers, without actually understanding the situation the soldiers on both sides are in and he really explained that well. However, that are situations that can happen on the border itself, while there also can be decisions be made from officials to attack or provoke and there one has to think about what motives people might have to do so.

The new PM could have taken any stand to resolve the issue because 1) he had absolute majority and he is the boss in the govt, 2) Congress is in opposition and they would never oppose any productive moves to resolve the issues....

Exactly, the often stated landslide win is not taken to the best extend here and as you correctly pointed out, not even the Congress would dare to not support the PM on a matter of defence or foreign policy, so IF Modi wanted, he can change everything (at least from our side). So what stops him?

Let us also consider the internal equation of Pakistan, Nawaz shariff was a different man before the quadri/IK protests he had a say in foreign policy especially when it comes to india..... But now he is not that strong and when a PM is weak, we know who calls the shots in Pak...... That can also be considered as a reason why GOI thought of stopping the talks. If you know nothing is going to be gained out of talks, why not cancel it and show the nation that the new govt is strong and doesnt hesitate in taking strong decision.....

I see it the other way around! If we know he is internally in a weak position, especially towards his forces or the public, we need to help him gain strength again and not to fall into the old habits, by acting strong in a militaric way. So a political reach out from our side, towards him or even the Pakistani government in general, might have gained us more. It's also important who talks! That we don't improve things when Pak forces are talking to Indian forces in flag meetings should be not surprising, so canceling them might be a show off, but isn't a big loss either. But not talking on a government to government level to find solutions, is the actual limiting factor.
Why didn't the PM invited his counterparts openly to talks to resolve the problem? No matter what the outcome would be, it would had shown that Indian government acknowledges Pak government, which puts them then under pressure to reach out too, even if their forces might not like it.
Of course it's a complex issue, for the reason you mentioned, but as long as we play in the cards of those who want conflicts, by relatiation in the same manner, pointing fingers or simply not talking anymore, we won't get anywhere.

One more thing came up in the NDTV show was, though the IA/BSF response in loc is similar in UPA/NDA regime, The local commanders were more confident as the signal from centre was clear, unlike UPA which used to give mixed signals.....

That's "imo" is based on one of the good things of the new government, the moral is higher, because the forces has actual persons showing that they are backing them. MMS was PR was a disaster, while Modi is playing that well be it with the media or directly in his interactions with the forces. While the PMs (former and current) actually doesn't play a big role, so have not much difference as a moral booster. So even if the government actually is saying the same to the forces under UPA or NDA, it's a difference in how they say it, which is important in this case!

 

[Burhan Wani]

well we all know how these books have made pakistan such a peacefull nation

World will be peaceful after Final Offence

 

[sancho]

Solution? Convince? Wow, it doesn't get much more naive than that.
This is a problem that can only be managed, there is no solution available. The interests of the 2 countries are diametrically opposite, there is simply no meeting point and we should expect anything but an cold peace as the best scenario probable.

Wrong, the interests of certain people or certain parts of both countries might be different, but the majority of both countries surely want, economical growth, improvements of life quality. There are even a lot of Indians that surely would take the advantage of business relations with Pakistan and the other way around too. It's been 15 years now since Kargil and we have seen changes in the relations of both countries, mainly because of talks and because each country focused on it's own problems, inseat on each other as an enemy.

 

[nair]

True and he is not wrong about it, we have the natural habit to point fingers, without actually understanding the situation the soldiers on both sides are in and he really explained that well. However, that are situations that can happen on the border itself, while there also can be decisions be made from officials to attack or provoke and there one has to think about what motives people might have to do so.

Well he speaks about the local reasons, and the local commanders who takes calls themselves..... the interesting part no one will be able to identify who actually fired first.....

Exactly, the often stated landslide win is not taken to the best extend here and as you correctly pointed out, not even the Congress would dare to not support the PM on a matter of defence or foreign policy, so IF Modi wanted, he can change everything (at least from our side). So what stops him?

Well the intent is not there..... which is not surprising

 

[sancho]

Well the intent is not there..... which is not surprising

Do you think it can change?

 

[Bang Galore]

Wrong, the interests of certain people or certain parts of both countries might be different, but the majority of both countries surely want, economical growth, improvements of life quality. There are even a lot of Indians that surely would take the advantage of business relations with Pakistan and the other way around too. It's been 15 years now since Kargil and we have seen changes in the relations of both countries, mainly because of talks and because each country focused on it's own problems, inseat on each other as an enemy.

I never said that there might be no interest in peace, just that it cannot be achieved the way things are. While India being a status quo power could conceivably agree to a solution on the basis of the present position, Pakistan and more specifically, the Pakistani Army will not. It's why the best we can hope for is to manage the situation.

 

[nair]

Do you think it can change?

It can and it will..... As some one said, You can not choose your neighbors..... and you like it or not Pakistan is our neighbor, and the Govt in delhi is be bound to work towards peaceful coexistence with them.... And the only way to do that is thru dialogue.....