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NEXT STEPS FOR PAC AND THE JF-17 THUNDER

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An analysis of why the PAF should focus on the JF-17 and possible next steps to enhance the Thunder’s development process

By Bilal Khan

Our mounting aversion to the idea of Pakistan spending any money towards new-built F-16C/D Block-52+ is no secret, and our strong support for the JF-17 Thunder is well-established.

As a general point, the greatest value of the JF-17 (at least for Pakistan) does not rest in its performance, but in the reality that Pakistan has authority over the platform. By “authority” we refer to the fact that the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) can configure the JF-17 according to its will. This is the most essential point. While the F-16 is inherently the superior platform in terms of performance and quality, the PAF does not have the luxury to push the Viper to its available potential.

Just consider the fact that the PAF cannot readily integrate a high off-boresight (HOBS) air-to-air missile (AAM) onto its F-16s without U.S. approval of some shape or form. Even HOBS AAM that have been technically cleared for the F-16, such as the IRIS-T (developed by the German company Diehl BGT), cannot be configured onto the PAF’s F-16s without the U.S.’ approval. It would basically have to wait on America’s willingness to release the comparable AIM-9X; and this story is repetitive – the PAF’s F-16s have yet to be equipped with stand-off weapons (SOW), anti-ship missiles (AShM), and anti-radiation missiles (ARM).

On the other hand, despite the JF-17’s comparatively limited performance, the PAF has been able to arm the JF-17 with the C-802 AShM, and has the H-2/H-4 SOW and MAR-1 ARM in the pipeline (if not in the process of integration). And as we have repeatedly stated in earlier articles, it is the JF-17 that has a HOBS AAM, active electronically-scanned array (AESA) radar, infrared search and track (IRST), and air-launched cruise missile (ALCM) integration in the pipeline – not the PAF’s F-16s. What benefit does the F-16’s multi-role prowess offer the PAF when that prowess is gradually eroding in the face of the Indian Air Force (IAF) and Indian Navy (IN)’s impressive qualitative advancements?

Finally, there is the reality that unlike the F-16, the PAF benefits from an increasingly adept domestic base capable of thoroughly supporting the JF-17. Yes, Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) is a novice in terms of being an aerospace industry entity, but it is gradually and incrementally becoming capable, despite the difficult political and economic limitations Pakistan throws onto itself. The workshare agreement has shifted 58% of the JF-17’s airframe manufacturing to Kamra, and efforts are underway to bring a maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) for Klimov turbofans as well. With the maintenance and support channel being domestic, the PAF can draw upon the benefits of assured and affordable accessibility. The necessities produced in Pakistan (and in some cases imported from China and Russia) are at the affordable side of the cost-spectrum; the money that goes back into PAC also goes back into Pakistan.

To be honest, the points being explained in this article are mostly earlier ideas being conveyed from a different set of angles, but they set the basis of why it is important to consider ideas about next steps, not just for the PAF, but for PAC and the JF-17 Thunder program.

The F-16 (and import route generally) has become a difficult path to take on, hence the reason why it is imperative that domestic development now take on a much higher level of importance. The PAF ought to seriously consider the value of bringing more of the airframe manufacturing to Kamra. China has been a dependable partner, but urgency and the desire to not take relationships for granted needs to be adopted.

There is a learning curve and a lot of building blocks to set-up, but the expertise and infrastructure built for the JF-17 will prove valuable for future projects. Make no mistake, a unique and independent program is not going to happen, but Pakistan could potentially (one day) offer something of tangible value to an outside partner. We are not talking about ground-breaking research, but at least a chance at becoming a viable co-production partner (that could help pull costs down), or capable licensed manufacturer of more sophisticated sub-systems, etc. It would be a huge shame if – like the K-8 Karakoram – the JF-17 program ends up at a plateau, and then just stays flat from an indigenization and development standpoint.

The PAF should also be critically averse to the notion of capping the JF-17. In other words, the fighter must not be relegated into becoming just a ‘second-tier’ fighter (relative to other fighter options for the PAF). For all intents the purposes, the geo-political and economic reality has made the JF-17 the backbone and edge-driver of the PAF fighter fleet. By “edge-driver” we refer to the idea of it being the platform where the PAF has the flexibility to keep up with qualitative changes in South Asia, such as the eventual entry of AESA radars. While the PAF must not waste funds, the PAF ought to ensure that the JF-17 Block-III (and potentially Block-IV and Block-V) are equipped with the most appropriate – in terms of the cost-to-performance ratio – subsystems available. It would be a shame to see a less capable AESA radar (e.g. via less transmit/receive modules than possible) due to prohibitive costs (which could have been avoided by walking away from a certain F-16 deal).

Finally, it is no secret that the PAF and PAC have been seeking to secure export clients for the JF-17. There is some substantive potential, but again, it is important that the PAF/PAC are careful with next steps. At some point, it may be prudent to clearly separate work between domestic and export variants of the JF-17. In terms of export, some areas could be accelerated, such as the procurement of a helmet-mounted display and sight (HMD/S) or HOBS AAM. Subsystems such as radars and electronic warfare (EW) and electronic countermeasure (ECM) suites for export-grade JF-17s could be acquired from the market; the risk for the PAF is minimal because it would not necessarily intend to use those systems for itself. The PAF cannot let its own requirements get guided by the market, but on the other hand, it cannot muddle the needs of prospective clients with its own (which is what happened with the omission of the dual-seat JF-17 in the initial years of the JF-17’s developmen
http://quwa.org/2016/05/02/next-steps-pac-jf-17-thunder/
 
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It makes sense ...but no matter what we do with the JF-17 ...it still would remain a medium-fighter ...going away from the F-16 also means choosing another frontline fighter alongside serious investment in the JF-17 ...PAF is not going to be crippled for sure ...the US has done such backstabbing with us at many instances ...how much have we learnt from that is however another story !
 
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its time we accept the fact that USA is ready to sacrifice its realtionships with pakistan at even small amount of indain objection.
it means that it is a time to move away from US systems, blindly going into russian systems is not wise choicea s we cannot predict how will they respond in the future, solution is chinese or other European systems and purely focusing on indigenous and co- production of systems with western counter parts, turkey, Europe

main focus should be increasing the quality and decreasing the quantity as cost cutting measure
 
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its time we accept the fact that USA is ready to sacrifice its realtionships with pakistan at even small amount of indain objection.
it means that it is a time to move away from US systems, blindly going into russian systems is not wise choicea s we cannot predict how will they respond in the future, solution is chinese or other European systems and purely focusing on indigenous and co- production of systems with western counter parts, turkey, Europe

main focus should be increasing the quality and decreasing the quantity as cost cutting measure

I agree with the fact that Russia cannot be trusted as at the end of the day they are more close to India then they probably ever will be to us. However as a matter of fact I don't trust the Europeans in this context as well they too wont shy from backstabbing us as soon as they get a chance.
 
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The next step for PAC should,
How to build aircraft engine, which country will help in this field?
How to make air crafts weapons such as air to air missiles etc?
I personally think China does not train us in these fields,as USA train India.
 
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The next step for PAC should,
How to build aircraft engine, which country will help in this field?
How to make air crafts weapons such as air to air missiles etc?
I personally think China does not train us in these fields,as USA train India.
Engines---simply forget it. Your best bet is to locally azsemble/overhaul engines. The metallurgical know how is beyond you and will remain so for at least a decade and a half.
Weapon, EW suite and radars. Start off with local assmbly and build up from there. I have said this many times that an electronic facility of this nature does not survive and theive on building radars only but needs to invest in dual use technology and establish a base from which to progress. So like we talk of aviation city we need to have a silicon valley as well.
Missiles-------Already happenning. We need to progress but this is slow.
US does not do anything for India or anyone else. USA looks after US interests. Till such times as those coincide it will look after the nation. When the interests are served it moves on. There are no permanent friends or enemies in international relations just fonverging or diverging interests. If tomorrow Kashmir gets resolved to the satisfaction of both countries what do you have left to fight for?
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JF-17 thunder is designed to replace the aging fleet of F-7s Old marriages and A5s, rather than cutting edge, and in this role JF-17 thunder is full filling its purpose comprehensively. the design has its own limitations and after block 3 upgrades i dont think any further changes could be possible to carry out in the current frame.

which mean Pakistan will go for the development of another aircraft which could full fill its future requirements as a semi high tech plate form providing it an air punch. this is the reason i always advocated J-31 project which is a best possible solution currently available. this aircraft is still at its testing stages and truly designed for export market therefore so much space to accommodate different type of technologies in future. but as usual slow response of our establishment is reminding me a nazam of Munir Naiazi

Zaroori Baat Kehni Ho, Koi Wada Nibhana Ho!
Usey Awaaz Deni Ho, Usey Waapis Bulana Ho!

Hamesha Der Kar Deta Hoon Main

Madad Karni Ho Uski, Yaar Ki Dhaaras Bandhana Ho!
Boht Dayreena Raston Par Kisi Se Milney Jana Ho!

Hamesha Der Kar Deta Hoon Main

Badalte Mosamo Ki Sair Mei Dil Ko Laganaa Ho!
Kisi Ko Yaad Rakhna Ho, Kisi Ko Bhool Jana Ho!

Hamesha Der Kar Deta Hoon Main

Kisi Ko Moat Se Pehley Kisi Gham Se Bachana Ho!
Hakeekat Or Thi Kuch! Us Ko Jaa Ke Ye Batana Ho!

Hamesha Der Kar Deta Hoon Main
 
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JF-17 thunder is designed to replace the aging fleet of F-7s Old marriages and A5s, rather than cutting edge, and in this role JF-17 thunder is full filling its purpose comprehensively. the design has its own limitations and after block 3 upgrades i dont think any further changes could be possible to carry out in the current frame.

which mean Pakistan will go for the development of another aircraft which could full fill its future requirements as a semi high tech plate form providing it an air punch. this is the reason i always advocated J-31 project which is a best possible solution currently available. this aircraft is still at its testing stages and truly designed for export market therefore so much space to accommodate different type of technologies in future. but as usual slow response of our establishment is reminding me a nazam of Munir Naiazi

Zaroori Baat Kehni Ho, Koi Wada Nibhana Ho!
Usey Awaaz Deni Ho, Usey Waapis Bulana Ho!

Hamesha Der Kar Deta Hoon Main

Madad Karni Ho Uski, Yaar Ki Dhaaras Bandhana Ho!
Boht Dayreena Raston Par Kisi Se Milney Jana Ho!

Hamesha Der Kar Deta Hoon Main

Badalte Mosamo Ki Sair Mei Dil Ko Laganaa Ho!
Kisi Ko Yaad Rakhna Ho, Kisi Ko Bhool Jana Ho!

Hamesha Der Kar Deta Hoon Main

Kisi Ko Moat Se Pehley Kisi Gham Se Bachana Ho!
Hakeekat Or Thi Kuch! Us Ko Jaa Ke Ye Batana Ho!

Hamesha Der Kar Deta Hoon Main
Imay or may not agree with your analysis but the poetry was wonderful though with some mistakes. I saw Munir reciting it on TV the first time and it is etched on my mind. So you get a thumbs up for the poetry.ار
عادت سی بنالی هے. تم نے تو منیر اپنی
جس شهر مین بهی رهنا اکتائے هوے رهنا
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I think Pakistan should go for Raven ES-05 and if it is not available then Chinese.
think is differant from knowing and that radar is specifically for the gripen modifying it will be too expensive so the vixen series will suffice
 
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