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New Ukrainian Government bans Tatarian and Russian Language in the Crimea

the only one strange here are Crimean tatarians supporting these fachist. Russians want independence and own state there which would give both russian and tatarian official status.



I want you honest opinion.

Do you believe that Ukraine will split into a Western Ukraine and Eastern Ukraine ?

Or maybe three way split with Crimea going its own way ?
 
My point is that the soviets depopulated the Tatar in the crimea by FORCE.

The Tatar would have been the majority in CRIMEA if they weren't deported, murdered or simply " disappeared".

I thought I was quiet clear.

193000 Tatars were deported by Stalin to the stans in the 40s. 240000 have returned since the 80s. Total population of Crimea=2 million.

Do the maths.
 
Then what is your version of 'history'? And tell me how that the Nazi-Germany was not defeated by USSR?

Unfortunately, many people in the West don't know that the major force defeating Hitler was the USSR, not USA.

While it true that the USA liberated Western Europe, such liberation was only possible after the USSR had broken Hitler's back and severely degraded Nazi Germany's capacity for war..
 
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193000 Tatars were deported by Stalin to the stans in the 40s. 240000 have returned since the 80s. Total population of Crimea=2 million.

Do the maths.

Around half the C. Tatars died during the deportation and the aftermath.
There are currently living 700.000 tatars in uzbekistan (deportation), Turkey(escape) and Ukraine(return).
Considering that half of the population died back in the 40's.
The C. Tatar population would be 1,4 million in the Crimea, which is the majority.

Here's math.
 
really I thought communism fought against the Nazis. Granted in China at that time it wasn't communism, but it certainly wasn't democracy.

China and USSR. We both faced more than 90% and all of the Nazi elites be it Japanese or German.

Even your historical texts won't dispute this, I read them.

If you define the Japanese as Nazi's (which I don't), then it is hard to claim that anyone but the
Americans defeated Japan.
British, Australian, Chinese and Russian activities were just sideshows.

As for the European theatre, clearly the majority of Wehrmacht was deployed against the Soviet Union,
and was defeated by the Red Army.
Very doubtful if they would have succeeded without American help.

The first major defeat for Wehrmacht was El Alamein, not Stalingrad.
 
If you define the Japanese as Nazi's (which I don't), then it is hard to claim that anyone but the
Americans defeated Japan.
British, Australian, Chinese and Russian activities were just sideshows.

As for the European theatre, clearly the majority of Wehrmacht was deployed against the Soviet Union,
and was defeated by the Red Army.
Very doubtful if they would have succeeded without American help.

The first major defeat for Wehrmacht was El Alamein, not Stalingrad.

Really even though Stalingrad essentially doomed the entire Nazi offensive, but El Alamein is major. Rommel was undermanned and under equipped. 90% of all Nazi forces were in Russia and the best of the best was in Stalingrad and Moscow, but El Alamein is the victory that sealed it. El Alamein is a sideshow that affected the war in no major way, if El Alamein was lost by the allies, the damage would have been minimal, if Stalingrad had been lost then Nazis could turn millions of troops onto allies in the West.

As to American help, most of the weapons used by Soviets were soviets, Soviet tanks and guns were the best in the world, Americans didn't have it.

Americans helped, but wasn't decisive, it wasn't even much of a factor, Stalin would not have lost regardless of American help, but it was nice to have it.


As to Japanese, they were fascist, not national socialism, but that's not the point is it.

When Japanese surrendered, 1.2 million was in China, since 1942 China has stalled the Japanese, so that the majority and the best was trapped in China.

Americans defeated Japanese navy, but it didn't defeat Japanese land troops.

How much did British, Australians and Russians kill and hold the Japanese for the Americans to have a huge advantage.

To claim Chinese was a sideshow in WW2 is stupid, Australia wasn't in the big 5 member states, British got in due to European theater.

Second Sino-Japanese War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

check out these casualties and say that China wasn't the main actor in the Japanese war, perhaps we didn't finish it and get the big prize, but we contributed the most. To claim otherwise is to ignore history.

But then again, why would a western educated dude, be any the wiser to the contributions of none Western nations, even as it is happening. However, I do understand, every nation does the same thing, so this isn't an attack or anything.

I took history in Canada, you think Canadians won the war for everyone, lol.
 
Strange, from what I've heard the Tatars back the Ukrainian gov.
 
Around half the C. Tatars died during the deportation and the aftermath.
There are currently living 700.000 tatars in uzbekistan (deportation), Turkey(escape) and Ukraine(return).
Considering that half of the population died back in the 40's.
The C. Tatar population would be 1,4 million in the Crimea, which is the majority.

Here's math.

Please re read my post.193000 was the total number of Tatars who were shipped off to the stans- this is not a pie in the sky figure but one based on actual headcounts. If half if them were dead on arrival, it would mean under 100000 made it alive to Central Asia. I am struggling to comprehend where you got the 1.4 mil figure from unless you are including every Turk on the planet who shares some distant ancestral link to Crimea, which evidently does not confer any right to resettlement (unless you support my claim to half of Africa on the basis that my ancestors originated from that part of the world in pre historic times)
 
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