New Thunder with 9 Hardpoints

[Trango Towers]

Was he talking about the current block 2s or the future block 3?

I ask because the comparison to "some of the f16s" suggests as good as older but not quite as good as the block 52s; and the answer would indicate how capable the block 3 is likely to be.

Current block 2

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

To be able to compare the Weapon's load with that of F16C/D a great mile stone and obviously we don't have limit on how many thunders we will manufacture

Many folks stated back in 2008-2009 we may have 250 Thunders by 2015 , by that account we are a bit off as we are just approaching 100 thunders. But in term of Block Progression and growth of fighter platform the targets have been exceeded

 

[Jinn Baba]

Current block 2

Thank you

Is there any other info you're allowed to give away?

 

[messiach]

Drop tanks can masquerade a few. Overall good news. More pain is on its way.

Drop tanks too look a little modified.

@messiach @MastanKhan @Windjammer

 

[mingle]

There would be a hard point at chin too for sniper pod.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Great post from @Windjammer as always

Are there any drawbacks from dual racks?

Increase aerodynamic drag and RCS

Anyone one knows about Block 3 with conformal fuel tanks?

So far

 

[volatile]

Great addition , now JF17 is on par with F16 from weapon's prespective

I beg to differ F16 is way a head in maturity and thunder is catching up to it , we have to see F16 experience of weapon integration comes from 4500 examples with numerous conflicts and engagements .Its really not ok to compare both as both enjoys there own merits how ever over all thunder program is more significant and strategic where as F16s are bad boys of air

 

[Thorough Pro]

Pic definitely showing a dual rack not an extra hard point.

Pictures from Chinese websites showing JF-17 supporting multiple SD-10s on two extra hard points in addition to the seven seen in the image in the back ground.

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Check the blue protrusion on top and then angular connecting rods in the front joining with the rail in your original posted pic

I believe they are extra hard points as dual launch rails have a different layout.

 

[Maxpane]

is it block2 or 3?

 

[khanasifm]

The actual no. Of hard points in a block 3 will be 10.
If u include the chin mounted pod

10 meaning additional 2 under wing plus one on chin ?? Otherwise you cannot get 10, multiple rack and hard point not the same thing. HP is counted as HP irrespective of muiple racks triple/double racks does not mean HP number goes up

By the way where is the source for block 3 with more Hp? paf officer interview sometime ago did mention it But under chin

There is a paf broacher showing 4 sd10 on jf from about two years ago available on this forum

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

I don't know what kind of ITCH that most pakistani kids have for so many hard point on such a small fighter aircraft---and for such a large number of missiles.

2 BVR's was the Perfect number for the JF17---.

In BVR combat---most smaller aircraft may hardly fire one BVR missile in real time before being taken out or bugging out---.

4 BVR's are for show---2 were fine for the JF17.

 

[Signalian]

To be able to compare the Weapon's load with that of F16C/D a great mile stone and obviously we don't have limit on how many thunders we will manufacture

Aim120 can be carried on dual racks also.

MER (multiple ejector racks) or dual racks w.r.t Aim-120 may not have been tested on F-16's, to give it a bigger A2A payload, but MER has been used with A2G load on F-16 like the TER (Triple ejector rack) called BRU-42 as well as TER-9/A.

I beg to differ F16 is way a head in maturity and thunder is catching up to it , we have to see F16 experience of weapon integration comes from 4500 examples with numerous conflicts and engagements .Its really not ok to compare both as both enjoys there own merits how ever over all thunder program is more significant and strategic where as F16s are bad boys of air

You are correct on overall comparison of JF-17 and F-16, i think he was talking about A2A weapon capacity of JF-17 and F-16. Both can carry 6 A2A missiles. For JF-17, with a dual rack on 2nd and 6th pylons, JF-17 can carry up to 8 A2A missiles without fuel tanks under wings with:

2 X PL-5/9 on wing tips
4 X SD-10 on Dual racks (hard points 2 and 6)
2 X SD-10 (hard points 3 and 5) and a fuel tank on 4th hard point.

There is said to be an AERO 3-B launcher which is a dual rack/launcher and can carry 2 X Aim-9 on one hard point for F-16. A dual launcher for Aim-9 has been used on F-15. Still, JF-17 would be able to carry more BVR load. Not sure if PAF uses dual racks for A2A armament for F-16.

 

[Trango Towers]

Thank you

Is there any other info you're allowed to give away?

No except jf17B is on its way and it's pretty cool. The future is jf17 and it's much more capable than people think.

 

[Falcon26]

JF-17 Block 2 already has almost the same MTOW of the Saab Gripen. Block 3 will most likely exceed the MTOW of the Saab Gripen so dual racks will be in play. This paired with Saab Erieyes and ground stations mean JF-17 can turn off its radar and rely on the Erieye. Deadly combination. The SU-30MKIs will have a hard time tracking them.

 

[Basel]

amazing addition to the aircraft, congratulations.

I wonder can IAF get any dual racks on any of its aircrafts ? I never saw one on any indian aircraft.

With dual racks JFT can carry 4 BVR 2 WVR Missiles with standard 3 drop tanks for CAP.

JF-17 Block 2 already has almost the same MTOW of the Saab Gripen. Block 3 will most likely exceed the MTOW of the Saab Gripen so dual racks will be in play. This paired with Saab Erieyes and ground stations mean JF-17 can turn off its radar and rely on the Erieye. Deadly combination. The SU-30MKIs will have a hard time tracking them.

Block-3 is supposed to have more reduced RCS even with external loads then previous blocks.

The finally implemented this rack on JF-17

Can dual racks be used on both inner hard points of each wing?? If yes then may be 6 BVR and 4 WVR with 1 drop tanks configuration possible for CAP.