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New options emerge in disputed air defense deal
BURAK BEKDİL

As a period of quiet is ahead of Turkey’s controversial air defense program after the departure of Murad Bayar, the country’s top defense procurement official, new options have emerged outside Ankara’s September 2013 decision to select a Chinese contender.

Procurement officials said one option involved going for an entirely indigenous solution to be designed and developed by military electronics specialist Aselsan, Turkey’s biggest defense company.

“The company is meticulously weighing the merits and demerits of local production,” one senior official said. “At this moment we do not know whether this is a technically and financially feasible. But we cannot rule that out.”

An Aselsan official confirmed the company is working to assess an indigenous solution for what would become Turkey’s first long-range air and anti-missile defense system. “We have [technologically] progressed remarkably over the past few years. We think that the work here may not be beyond our engineering capabilities.” But some defense industry sources say the work may be beyond Aselsan’s capabilities and take too long to finish. “No doubt, Aselsan’s recent work is impressive. But this program may be a little bit too tough. I fear the work may take much longer than planned, and prove to be very expensive if done locally,” said one London-based Turkey specialist.

Aselsan thinks it can deliver the system, dubbed T-LORAMIDS, in about eight years.


PAC-2 option

Meanwhile, defense sources said the U.S. bidders, a partnership of Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, recently proposed to Turkey a batch of used PAC-2 systems, deployed in Germany. “The proposal effectively means some upgrades, and improvements are to be done on the PAC-2 system which would eventually be replaced by the more advanced PAC-3 system,” one source said. “This would be a government-to-government deal.” The official did not comment on whether Ankara viewed this option favorably.

Since September 2013, Turkey’s defense procurement bureaucracy and industry have been increasingly showing signs of weariness over a potential, $3.44 billion deal with China Precision Machinery Import-Export Corp. (CPMIEC), the front-runner in the competition. CPMIEC is on a U.S. list of companies sanctioned under the Iran, North Korea and Syria Nonproliferation Act.

Turkey has come under strong pressure from its NATO allies since it announced its decision over the T-LORAMIDS. Ankara said it chose CPMIEC’s FD-2000 missile-defense system over rival offers from Franco-Italian Eurosam SAMP/T and Raytheon based on better price and better terms of technology transfer. NATO and U.S. officials have said it will not be possible to integrate any Chinese-built system into the air defense assets that Turkey has in common with NATO and the U.S.

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PAC 2

The PAC-2 was the first ballistic missile defense system to successfully intercept a hostile ballistic missile during war. Iraq fired 88 modified ‘Scuds’ into Saudi Arabian and Israeli airspace, of which 53 were in Patriot defended areas. The PAC-2 intercepted a total of 51 SRBMs, and fired a 157 interceptors.

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Indıgeneous system would take ages, we're like naked right now, we need this stuff as soon as possible.

If they still don't offer technogology transfer then I think Chinese stuff is still favourable.
 
Turkish defense sources said the U.S. bidders, a partnership of Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, recently proposed to Turkey a batch of used Patriot PAC-2 air defense missile systems, deployed in Germany.

“The proposal effectively means some upgrades, and improvements are to be done on the Patriot PAC-2 system which would eventually be replaced by the more advanced PAC-3 system,” one source said. “This would be a government-to-government deal.” The official did not comment on whether Ankara viewed this option favorably.

Since September 2013, Turkey’s defense procurement bureaucracy and industry have been increasingly showing signs of weariness over a potential, $3.44 billion deal with China Precision Machinery Import-Export Corp. (CPMIEC), the front-runner in the competition. CPMIEC is on a U.S. list of companies sanctioned under the Iran, North Korea and Syria Nonproliferation Act.

Turkey has come under strong pressure from its NATO allies since it announced its decision over the T-LORAMIDS. Ankara said it chose CPMIEC’s FD-2000 missile-defense system over rival offers from Franco-Italian Eurosam SAMP/T and Raytheon based on better price and better terms of technology transfer. NATO and U.S. officials have said it will not be possible to integrate any Chinese-built system into the air defense assets that Turkey has in common with NATO and the U.S.

United States to propose a batch of used Patriot PAC-2 air defense missile systems to Turkey 0804142 - Army Recognition
 
Turkish defense sources said the U.S. bidders, a partnership of Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, recently proposed to Turkey a batch of used Patriot PAC-2 air defense missile systems, deployed in Germany.

“The proposal effectively means some upgrades, and improvements are to be done on the Patriot PAC-2 system which would eventually be replaced by the more advanced PAC-3 system,” one source said. “This would be a government-to-government deal.” The official did not comment on whether Ankara viewed this option favorably.

Since September 2013, Turkey’s defense procurement bureaucracy and industry have been increasingly showing signs of weariness over a potential, $3.44 billion deal with China Precision Machinery Import-Export Corp. (CPMIEC), the front-runner in the competition. CPMIEC is on a U.S. list of companies sanctioned under the Iran, North Korea and Syria Nonproliferation Act.

Turkey has come under strong pressure from its NATO allies since it announced its decision over the T-LORAMIDS. Ankara said it chose CPMIEC’s FD-2000 missile-defense system over rival offers from Franco-Italian Eurosam SAMP/T and Raytheon based on better price and better terms of technology transfer. NATO and U.S. officials have said it will not be possible to integrate any Chinese-built system into the air defense assets that Turkey has in common with NATO and the U.S.

United States to propose a batch of used Patriot PAC-2 air defense missile systems to Turkey 0804142Â -Â Army Recognition
so if i understood it correctly, they want to give Turkey used PAC-2 (for free?) and the Americans will do some upgrades on them. Then, when it's time to replace them Turkey will choose for PAC-3 in return for this deed? If that is true, i'd much rather take the Chinese deal. Though the accompanying sanctions might/will hurt our companies in the short and maybe medium term.
 
How much Turkey spends on its military annually as per its GDP? little off the topic but curious..
 
so if i understood it correctly, they want to give Turkey used PAC-2 (for free?) and the Americans will do some upgrades on them. Then, when it's time to replace them Turkey will choose for PAC-3 in return for this deed? If that is true, i'd much rather take the Chinese deal. Though the accompanying sanctions might/will hurt our companies in the short and maybe medium term.
It would be sold to Turkey not donated. It doesn't say that specifically but that is what the deal is.

@LegionnairE raised an important question. Cost.

I personally believe that we should go with the Chinese system because we will get the technology needed to build the system and in the future we can use this to build our own 100% indigenous system. If we try to build our own now it will take forever.
 
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