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Babur and Aurengzeb were emperor's and conquerors why should Indian Muslims deny their greatness
This is the point exactly. The Mughal empire is the very fabric of India yet, India excludes them from its history because they're Muslims. The poster i replied to now doesn't place them on an equivalent pedestal as Marathas or mauryans even though the mughals made the subcontinent a global power. Imagine Romans being dissected from European history because they were brutal. Imagine school kids in England never studying or dressing up like Romans. In India, school teachers get in serious trouble for enacting Mughal history. It's all just b.s. ego massaging for immature people.
 
This is the point exactly. The Mughal empire is the very fabric of India yet, India excludes them from its history because they're Muslims. The poster i replied to now doesn't place them on an equivalent pedestal as Marathas or mauryans even though the mughals made the subcontinent a global power. Imagine Romans being dissected from European history because they were brutal. Imagine school kids in England never studying or dressing up like Romans. In India, school teachers get in serious trouble for enacting Mughal history. It's all just b.s. ego massaging for immature people.


If you look at Jinnahs speeches, he points to this exact point

He implores Indian Muslims to not put themselves into a position where they will be stuck defending their history against Hindu revisionism
 
If the muslims of india were truly interested in brotherhood,they would have denounced the actions of aurangzeb and babur and simply given away the mosques at ayodhya,varanasi and mathura as goodwill.That gesture alone would have ended most problems.Since thats not going to happen the hindutva forces will take them by force one by one,and use them for electoral politics as a bonus .

If Hindus of India were truly interested in brotherhood, they would have denounced the actions of Advani, Vajpayee and Modi and simply stopped destroying mosques as goodwill. That gesture alone would have ended most problems. Since that is not going to happen, Hindus will simply become terrorists and take them by force one by one and use them for electoral politics as a bonus.
This is the point exactly. The Mughal empire is the very fabric of India yet, India excludes them from its history because they're Muslims. The poster i replied to now doesn't place them on an equivalent pedestal as Marathas or mauryans even though the mughals made the subcontinent a global power. Imagine Romans being dissected from European history because they were brutal. Imagine school kids in England never studying or dressing up like Romans. In India, school teachers get in serious trouble for enacting Mughal history. It's all just b.s. ego massaging for immature people.

Sir...you are dealing with a depraved society whose favorite past time is the lynching of Muslims. Do you expect civility on issues related to culture from such inventors of apartheid?
 
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If Hindus of India were truly interested in brotherhood, they would have denounced the actions of Advani, Vajpayee and Modi and simply stopped destroying mosques as goodwill. That gesture alone would have ended most problems. Since that is not going to happen, Hindus will simply become terrorists and take them by force one by one and use them for electoral politics as a bonus.


Sir...you are dealing with a depraved society whose favorite past time is the lynching of Muslims. Do you expect civility on issues related to culture from such inventors of apartheid?
As usual, I have no such expectations. Instead, my tireless rants serve only to signpost, to document the descent, such that others may avoid this quicksand.
 
And why - pray tell - do India's Muslims owe india's Hindus this abstract and intangible currency you call "good will"? Wtf did the Muslims of the modern secular republic even do that has damaged the Hindus so irreversibly?

You made some interesting points early in your post, but the same old delusional trajectory has taken flight.

Because those mosques on those specific places were built to hurt hindu religious sentiments.If the muslims truly cared about the 'secular' spirit that you espouse they would have disowned them.Muslims have no sacred history in those places ,these are not mecca,medina or a pir shrine.There are 40,000 mosques in india -3 less would have meant nothing.They need not have been demolished,they could have been shifted brick by brick like the mosque at somnath was.So finally the hindus had enough and decided they no longer cared about being seen as 'secular' either.And that is how we got here.
 
This is the point exactly. The Mughal empire is the very fabric of India yet, India excludes them from its history because they're Muslims. The poster i replied to now doesn't place them on an equivalent pedestal as Marathas or mauryans even though the mughals made the subcontinent a global power. Imagine Romans being dissected from European history because they were brutal. Imagine school kids in England never studying or dressing up like Romans. In India, school teachers get in serious trouble for enacting Mughal history. It's all just b.s. ego massaging for immature people.

Mughal empire is not the fabric of india.The classical indian civilization is which is a fusion of remnants of the dravidian harappan civilization and the aryan sanskrit civilization is.That is the foundation.The muslim presence and the western influence are toppings that were imposed.Difference is while the colonials hollowed out india economically,were racially oppressive and politicized its divisions they left behind concrete achievements also -political unity,new technology,railways,a modern indian army and bureaucracy, common law and constitution,universities.They also never attacked indian religion directly and regret colonial atrocities instead of boasting of causing suffering as muslims do.So the colonial experience while brutal has a legacy of some substance.
What did the muslim period between 1200-1700 do for us?It was dark age for indian sciences.All the universities were burned and royal patronage went to useless madrasas.While indian mathematicians and industry flourished in classical india we had zero inventions during this period,all the while europe was moving ahead.Mughal GDP was 25% of world's output(gupta empire was 33%) is often thrown around -the devil in the details is india's per capita income was decreasing.The nobility was living lavish lives and the common indian was crushed.There were more famines than in british times,something they wouldn't tell you.
These invaders introduced sex slavery on a massive scale,purdah,child marriage,bachabaazi and other regressive practices.Slavery existed before the muslims but the difference in bonded labour described in arthashastra where slaves have rights to chattel slavery of muslim period is totally different.
Did muslims free the lower castes from the evil brahmins i ask?Failed here too.Even today caste is rampant among muslims - they go to seperate graveyards and won't intermarry.Ilsam didn't end caste system,it just gave it cover for syedism and ashraf rule instead of brahmin-rajput rule.
There was massive loss of human life and a direct attempt to wipe out our way of life by destroying temples,universities,cities.It might have been forgotten if not for current day muslims actually celebrating these savages as heroes which rejigs the cultural memory even though current generation has never experienced it directly.Its telling that the biggest city in India during the period was vijayanagara (2nd largest in the world at that time) not any muslim city -which was razed by muslim hordes.It was an attempt by an alien civilization imported from the middle east to erase an existing one that failed,but not without causing massive damage.What did we get in return?Some luxury cuisine and architecture ?Its not like we lacked those.I'm sorry but the balance is overwhelmingly negative.

You want us to celebrate the above -then you must think us masochists.Does spain celebrate the 700 yr old al andalus as its fabric just because they built the alhambra and cordoba?Does russia celebrate the mongol yoke?Go to the balkans and ask them about the benevolent ottoman rule.Your completely unrealistic .We don't identify with the mughals or the delhi sultanate in any way - you might.Its simply an occupation by an alien civilization that left some lingering influence .Its fading history.If you were india's fabric you would not be hated by so many -simple as that.You reap what you sow.Islam's story in india barring kerala was a story written in blood and tears and karma always balances the ledger.
 
Mughal empire is not the fabric of india.The classical indian civilization is which is a fusion of remnants of the dravidian harappan civilization and the aryan sanskrit civilization is.That is the foundation.The muslim presence and the western influence are toppings that were imposed.Difference is while the colonials hollowed out india economically,were racially oppressive and politicized its divisions they left behind concrete achievements also -political unity,new technology,railways,a modern indian army and bureaucracy, common law and constitution,universities.They also never attacked indian religion directly and regret colonial atrocities instead of boasting of causing suffering as muslims do.So the colonial experience while brutal has a legacy of some substance.
What did the muslim period between 1200-1700 do for us?It was dark age for indian sciences.All the universities were burned and royal patronage went to useless madrasas.While indian mathematicians and industry flourished in classical india we had zero inventions during this period,all the while europe was moving ahead.Mughal GDP was 25% of world's output(gupta empire was 33%) is often thrown around -the devil in the details is india's per capita income was decreasing.The nobility was living lavish lives and the common indian was crushed.There were more famines than in british times,something they wouldn't tell you.
These invaders introduced sex slavery on a massive scale,purdah,child marriage,bachabaazi and other regressive practices.Slavery existed before the muslims but the difference in bonded labour described in arthashastra where slaves have rights to chattel slavery of muslim period is totally different.
Did muslims free the lower castes from the evil brahmins i ask?Failed here too.Even today caste is rampant among muslims - they go to seperate graveyards and won't intermarry.Ilsam didn't end caste system,it just gave it cover for syedism and ashraf rule instead of brahmin-rajput rule.
There was massive loss of human life and a direct attempt to wipe out our way of life by destroying temples,universities,cities.It might have been forgotten if not for current day muslims actually celebrating these savages as heroes which rejigs the cultural memory even though current generation has never experienced it directly.Its telling that the biggest city in India during the period was vijayanagara (2nd largest in the world at that time) not any muslim city -which was razed by muslim hordes.It was an attempt by an alien civilization imported from the middle east to erase an existing one that failed,but not without causing massive damage.What did we get in return?Some luxury cuisine and architecture ?Its not like we lacked those.I'm sorry but the balance is overwhelmingly negative.

You want us to celebrate the above -then you must think us masochists.Does spain celebrate the 700 yr old al andalus as its fabric just because they built the alhambra and cordoba?Does russia celebrate the mongol yoke?Go to the balkans and ask them about the benevolent ottoman rule.Your completely unrealistic .We don't identify with the mughals or the delhi sultanate in any way - you might.Its simply an occupation by an alien civilization that left some lingering influence .Its fading history.If you were india's fabric you would not be hated by so many -simple as that.You reap what you sow.Islam's story in india barring kerala was a story written in blood and tears and karma always balances the ledger.

Does anyone know what is this little saffron nazi upset about? Please choose from the following options below:

A. Muslim rule put an end to upper caste oppression
B. Muslim rule put an end to erotic figures and carvings at temples (didn't Abhijeet Mitra Iyer call them Humples or something like that?)
C. Muslim rule meant people got to use bathrooms
D. Lack of size means that this nazi still cannot score with girls.
E. All of the above.
 
"India" was built by the mughals. Hindu temples should be "indianized".

Mughals killed lots of Muslims. Ganghis Khan butchered Millions of Muslims. Babur killed Ibrahim Lodhi first. Those who are victim of Mugjal's oppression are proud of those who butchered them.
 
Glad that India still showcases its secular credentials.

Imagine such an honor beong bestowed on jews or Hindus in the muslim world!
 
Mughals killed lots of Muslims. Ganghis Khan butchered Millions of Muslims. Babur killed Ibrahim Lodhi first. Those who are victim of Mugjal's oppression are proud of those who butchered them.
And Ashoka and Muria empires and later Hindu empires didn't killed Millions of Hindus???
 
Muslim history in the subcontinent is glorious
From the empires to the architecture, to the food, history it's incredible

Why should Muslims forget this incredible imperial history

1000 years of history
600 million souls
2 countries with a 3rd coming
Spoils for the Muslims have been fine in the sub continent


Partition of India as Jinnah envisioned it was EXACTLY because he understood the historical baggage was simply too much and India would be a communal shithole where Indian Muslims would be under pressure to accept revisionist history of some imaginary Hindu rashtra




Babur and Aurengzeb were emperor's and conquerors why should Indian Muslims deny their greatness

This sites are mosques, why should Indian Muslims give up mosques for hindutva idol worship


Either the state protects their Indian Muslims holy sites or the state becomes worthless and Indian Muslims like the Sikhs push for independence


What's the point of trapping hundreds of millions in a Hindutva extremist communal state

ok live in your dreams , indian muslims have accepted sri ram janm bhumi mandir .
And Ashoka and Muria empires and later Hindu empires didn't killed Millions of Hindus???

ashoka did not kill for religion .
 
I say take the take the Mosque for now, with this in possession you are at least little ahead. Once you get this then you negotiate for more.
 
forget all things now tell us when you start destroying RED FORT/ JAMAI MASJID DEHLI/ TAJ MAHAL etc etc???

why should we destroy the structure built on indian land by indian people by indian money ?
any structure built on hindu mandir will be given to hindu brothers for rebuilding their mandirs .
 
why should we destroy the structure built on indian land by indian people by indian money ?
any structure built on hindu mandir will be given to hindu brothers for rebuilding their mandirs .
Then why you destroyed Babary Masjid ??? and don't tell there was a RAM Mandir in ancient times, you're master of manipulating and creating fake history of your country
 
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