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Yeah ,we people are terrorist and Taliban sympathizers.Indians are heroes, they are so innocent my God.They are doing everything to protect Hindu Pandits while muslims in Ahmedabad etc are mass murdered right under their nose.See,they are so innocent...they didn't entered inside Kashmir in 1948,Kashmir have lost their mind.The human right reports are big time lying.We are responsible for your misery.I am so sorry,.BTW it is your usual hindularism (masking Hindu rule in the name of secularism) is what we hate,but don't worry my friend we will still take care of you:whistle:

Below is a list of incidents reported by Amnesty International, the Kashmir Quarterly (a publication of the Kashmiri-Canadian Council), and the United States Department of State.

DEATHS:

"In its 1996-1997 report, the National Human Rights Commission, (NHRC), stated that 1,375 armed forces personnel had been killed and 2,237 injured in Jammu and Kashmir between January 1, 1988 and April 30, 1997.

In 1997, the totals were 918 civilians, 189 security forces personnel and 1,114 militants, according to reliable press reports."

From the U.S. Department of State's, India Country Report on Human Rights Practices for 1998.

According to the Kashmiri-Canadian Council, 47,455 Kashmiris have died since October 1989.


EXECUTIONS:

"General S. Padmanabhan said that the (Indian) Ministry of Defense had issued orders to troops posted in Jammu and Kashmir to shoot on sight any of the 300 "infiltrators" it believed to be currently fighting in Jammu and Kashmir. Referring to some 1,000 Kashmiri as "hard core guerrillas", he said that if they renewed their subversive activities, "we will eliminate them too."

From an Amnesty International press release, October 15, 1996.

"The [Indian] government's disregard for human rights in Jammu and Kashmir means in practice that some 200 people reportedly died in custody in Jammu and Kashmir last year and that the whereabouts of some 500 to 600 "disappeared " persons continue to be unknown. The arbitrary arrests of people suspected to sympathize with armed opposition groups also continues to be reported."

From an Amnesty International press release, August 14, 1998.

USE OF EXCESSIVE FORCE AND VIOLATIONS OF HUMANITARIAN LAW IN INTERNAL CONFLICTS:

"Government forces continue to commit serious violations of humanitarian law in the disputed state of Jammu and Kashmir. Between 350,000 and 400,000 army and paramilitary forces are deployed in Jammu and Kashmir.

The Muslim majority population in the Kashmir Valley suffers from the repressive tactics of the security forces.

Under the Jammu and Kashmir Disturbed Areas Act, and the Armed Forces (Jammu and Kashmir) Special Powers Act, both passed in July 1990, security forces personnel have extraordinary powers, including authority to shoot suspected lawbreakers and those disturbing the peace, and to destroy structures suspected of harboring militants or arms."

From the U.S. Department of State's, India Country Report on Human Rights Practices for 1998.

RAPE:

According to the Kashmiri-Canadian Council, 6,300 Kashmiri women have been raped.

"Rape is used by the Indian security forces to attack Kashmiri women suspected of sympathizing with "militants." Through rape, the security forces are aiming to punish and humiliate the entire community."

From Human Rights Watch.

"In Singhpur village, occupation forces barged into the house of Abdul Ahad and forcibly took his wife and daughter to a military camp where they were gang-raped."

From Kashmir Quarterly, November 8, 1997.

"DISAPPEARANCES:"

"Since 1990, some 700 to 800 people have "disappeared" after being arrested by police or armed or paramilitary forces. The victims have included boys and men of all ages and all professions, including businessmen, lawyers, laborers and many teachers. Almost all of them appear to be ordinary citizens picked up at random, without any connection to the armed struggle."

From the Amnesty International report, "If they are dead, tell us - Disappearances in Jammu and Kashmir," February 1999.

"It is virtually impossible for relatives of the 'disappeared' in India's troubled northern state to trace their relatives or find redress from the institutions supposed to protect and promote human rights, including police, security forces, the courts and statutory human rights bodies," the report argues.

From an Amnesty International press release, February 22, 1999.

TORTURE:

"In the month of Ramadan, besides being physically tortured, Kashmiris are prevented from taking their early morning meal before starting their day of fast. They were also prevented from participating in the late evening prayers. A reign of terror was let loose in Srinagar where people were ordered out of their homes at morning mealtime."

From the Kashmir Quarterly, January 14, 1997.

"Indian Forces killed six citizens, torched two mosques, 15 shops and seven houses in various parts of the valley. As a result, there were protest demonstrations in many cities. Troops desecrated the central Srinagar mosque and tortured worshippers whom they found inside."

From the Kashmir Quarterly, October 12, 1997.

An excerpt from the Amnesty International report: "India: the impunity must end in Jammu and Kashmir," 23/04/2001:

  • On 27 March 1996, the dead body of human rights lawyer Jalil Andrabi was found in the river Jhelum, 19 days after he had been seen taken away by military personnel. (1) His killers remain free.
  • On 30 March 1996, 23 members of the faction of the Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front led by Amanullah Khan were killed when police fired mortar shells at their office in Srinagar.(2) Their killers remain free.
  • On 18 September 1997, 11 people, including women and children, were killed by mortar shelling at Arin Bandipora. The killers remain free.
  • In January 1998, nine people, including a woman and child, were killed in Kadrana village, Doda district, when army soldiers opened fire on people protesting an earlier arrest. The killers are free.
  • In July 1998, 40 people, including women and children were killed in and near Surankote. The killers remain free.
  • On 28 June 1999, fifteen members of two Muslim families, including women and children, were shot dead at Surankote, Poonch district, by unidentified gunmen wearing army uniforms who shot two more women as they fled. The killers remain free.
  • On 20 March 2000, 36 Sikhs were shot dead in Chittisinghpora; on 25 March 2000, five men were unlawfully killed who were implicated in the earlier killings. On 3 April 2000, seven people demonstrating against the earlier two incidents were shot dead by police. The killers of these 48 people remain free.
  • On the night of 1 August 2000, at least 105 people were shot dead in several different incidents. The killers remain free.
  • On 15 February 2001, six people were shot dead in Haigam during protests at an earlier death in custody when security forces and/or police opened fire on them. The killers remain free.
This list is by no means exhaustive. Many more such incidents have come to Amnesty International's attention and others must be assumed to go unnoticed and unreported. The unlawful killings described above all involve a large number of victims. Almost daily, unlawful killings of one or two individuals are reported in Jammu and Kashmir as well. Amnesty International recorded 70 deaths in custody and extrajudicial killings in the period January to August 2000 alone. The cease-fire in force since 28 November 2000 has not improved the human rights situation in the state as deaths in custody, extrajudicial executions by state agents and unlawful killings by armed groups continue unabated. Between the beginning of the cease-fire and mid-February 2001, some 23 extrajudicial executions have been reported in the media, in 15 of which the Special Operations Group have been implicated.(3)

Common to all of these instances is that the perpetrators of unlawful killings are free.... Many of the unlawful killings in Jammu and Kashmir have been perpetrated by armed opposition groups who have failed to distinguish between combatants and non-combatants and to spare the physical integrity and lives of non-combatants as required by international humanitarian standards. Amnesty International has repeatedly urged armed groups in Jammu and Kashmir to act in consonance with minimum standards of humanitarian law and today reiterates this appeal.(4) Other unlawful killings have been carried out by agents of the state, including state police, central police force and miliary or paramilitary forces.

...Impunity in Jammu and Kashmir is not restricted to the commission of unlawful killings; rape, torture and 'disappearance' in the custody of the state are also perpetrated with impunity. This report, however, focuses on unlawful killings as Amnesty International has observed an upsurge of custodial deaths and extrajudicial killings by agents of the state as well as unlawful killings by armed groups in recent months and believes that the impunity surrounding this particularly grave violation of human rights needs to be urgently addressed by the Government of Jammu and Kashmir.

© 2004, Human Development Foundation. All rights reserved.
Regards

Yeah ,we people are always bad people and Oppressors. Invaders are heroes, they are so innocent my God.They are doing everything to protect Islam while Hindus in Pakistan etc are mass murdered right under their nose.See,they are so innocent...they didn't invaded our country and spread their ideology by sword inside Kashmir, long before 1948. They just only take pride of 1000 years of rule, is not it ? Kashmiri Pundit have lost their mind.The human right reports are big time lying.Everyone else is responsible for your misery. LeT is, Hijb-ul-mujahiddin are freedom fighters. I am so sorry,.BTW it is your usual Islamism (Actually you guys dont believe in secularism), looking everything through a green lens, forcing your belief on others, is what we hate,but don't worry, what goes around is coming around now.:whistle:

some interesting reports :

Ethnic cleansing of Hindus and Sikhs

The Hindu Kashmiri Pandits, a small but prominent group, who had stably constituted approximately 4 to 5 per cent of the population of the Kashmir valley during Dogra rule (1846–1947), and 20 per cent of whom had left the Kashmir valley by 1950,[71] began to leave in much greater numbers in the 1990s. According to a number of authors, approximately 100,000 of the total Kashmiri Pandit population of 140,000 left the valley during that decade.[72] Other authors have suggested a higher figure for the exodus, ranging from the entire population of over 150,000,[73] to 190,000 of a total Pandit population of 200,000,[74] to a number as high as 253,000.[75] The US government has reported on the terrorist threat to Pandits still living in the Kashmir region.[76] Hindu women suffered heinous torture in Kashmir. In the words of one of the best-known Indian psychoanalysts Sudhir Kakar,[77] "slogans of "Long Live Pakistan" were carved with red-hot iron rods on the thighs of [the] Hindu daughters"[78]

During the eruption of armed rebellion the Islamic insurgency has claimed to have specifically targeted the Pandits and violated their human rights.[7] Reports by Indian government state 219 Kashmiri pandits were killed and around 140,000 migrated due to millitancy while over 3000 stayed in the valley[79][80] The local organisation of pandits in Kashmir, Kashmir Pandit Sangharsh Samiti claimed that 399 Kashmiri Pandit were killed by insurgents.[81][82]

“ "Our people were killed. I saw a girl tortured with cigarette butts. Another man had his eyes pulled out and his body hung on a tree. The armed separatists used a chainsaw to cut our bodies into pieces. It wasn't just the killing but the way they tortured and killed." ”
A crying old Kashmiri Hindu in refugee camps of Jammu told BBC news reporter[7]

The violence was condemned and labelled as ethnic cleansing in a 2006 resolution passed by the United States Congress.[83] It stated that the Islamic terrorists infiltrated the region in 1989 and began an ethnic cleansing campaign to convert Kashmir to a Muslim state. According to the same, since then nearly 400,000 Pandits were either murdered or forced to leave their ancestral homes.[84]

According to Hindu American Foundation report, the rights and religious freedom of Kashmiri Hindus have been severely curtailed since 1989, when there was an organised and systematic campaign by Islamist militants to cleanse Hindus from Kashmir. Less than 4,000 Kashmiri Hindus remain in the valley, reportedly living with daily threats of violence and terrorism.[85]

The CIA has reported nearly 506,000 people, about half of which are Pandit Hindus are displaced due to the insurgency.[75][86] The United Nations Commission on Human Rights reports that there are roughly 1.5 million refugees from Indian-administered Kashmir, bulk of whom arrived in Pakistan-administered Kashmir and in Pakistan after the situation on the Indian side worsened in 1989 insurgency.[87]

Post-1989, Kashmiri Pandits and other minority groups in Jammu and Kashmir have been targets of ethnic cleansing by Jihadi elements which India alleges and blames on the Inter-Services Intelligence.[88] The Kashmiri Pandits, a community of Hindu Brahmins, then comprising 5% of the population of the state were the primary targets of Islamic militants, who also sought to also eliminate Kashmir's record of 5000 years of Hindu Sanskrit culture and scholarship as well as the tolerant indigenous multiculturalism referred to as Kashmiriat.[89] As many as 400,000 Kashmiri Pandits fled the state and ethnic violence is considered to have killed 30,000 people.[90] Muslim paramilitaries raped, tortured and killed thousands of Kashmiri Pandits, burnt their temples, idols and holy books.[89]

According to Bhatt a United Nations adviser, the houses of Kashmir Pandits have been burnt, many killed, and that there has been "an almost total ethnic cleansing of Kashmir Pandits from Kashmir by fundamentalist forces of terrorism organised and supported from Pakistan".[91]

Other minorities such as Kashmiri Sikhs were also targeted. According to Chitkara the killing of Sikhs near Anantnag in 2001, by the Jehadis was aimed at ethnic cleansing. Hindus have migrated from most of the Kashmir valley, Sikhs who form a very small percentage could be forced to migrate in the wake of such killings.[92] The Lashkar-e-Taiba is blamed for the Chittisinghpura massacre, which killed 37 Siks at the time of Clinton‘s visit to India.[93][94][95]

See. So much peace loving people who use chain saw for torture, writing with red hot iron on the thighs of Kashmiri Pundit woman’s thigh. When we retaliated using Rashtriya Rifles, then all these whining started.


You may take care of us, we are not worried. But

Violence will be dealt with violence and brutal force.

Regards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_abuses_in_Jammu_and_Kashmir#cite_note-96

That clears up why they're so defensive of Israel's policies ....:disagree:
Read my reply and then say, whether what they have done is right or wrong. Then I will be more clear about you.
 
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pakistan army has roughed up army three times its size… never mind tiny israel, the whole world knows that israel doesn't stand a chance in hell against pakistan..


whats the first reason?

The whole world?

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The first reason is obvious.
 
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You mean the 1,500 dead Lebanese and Southern Beirut in ruins?

That was a victory?

Israel was back to normal within days. Lebanon was still rebuilding years later.
The zionazis invaded Lebanon so the the ensuing battle and destruction took place in Lebanon, if that means it was a defeat for the Hezbullah then the Soviets were defeated by the Nazis in Russia. Even this comparison does not say it all because at least the Soviets had numerical superiority over the Nazis. On the other hand, Hezbullah had neither numerical nor technological superiority over the zionazis, yet they prevailed. If this does not qualify to you as a victory for the Hezbullah then you need to learn the definition of victory.
 
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the only reason Israelis don't get a lot of causalities is because IDF is damn efficient. They bring down almost every rocket that is fired upon them. Hamas on the other hand is using one of the most densely populated areas on the planet to wage their Jihad. Hamas is an equivalent of any terrorist organization, that said IDF has the tendency to over react but no rag tag militia with dummy rockets can stand IDF.
 
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@Marwat Khan Lodhi , have there been no civilian casualties in Pak army's use of planes, gunships and unguided artillery against the Talibs?
Very large civilian casaulties. Infact rustam shah mohmand, a former political agent of waziristan and ambassador from FATA, took a different stance from his party and had to say it last that drones are preferrable than jet air strikes. He and tribals from all walk of life are saying for last ten years that artillary shelling on villages, use of gunship helis and jets on population are causing huge civilian casaulties. Unfortunately they are labelled terrorist sympathizers and no independent media is allowed by army in FATA to verify these claims. Tribals themeselves have told me many things which i dont feel the need to share on a military forum, they would be simply rejected as stories and rumours. People are afraid, no tribal want to get "disappeared" by agencies. If IDPs are to be believed, then the world will forget about gaza once every kind of media is allowed in FATA.
May Allah has mercy on us and may he forgive us
 
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Very large civilian casaulties. Infact rustam shah mohmand, a former political agent of waziristan and ambassador from FATA, took a different stance from his party and had to say it last that drones are preferrable than jet air strikes. He and tribals from all walk of life are saying for last ten years that artillary shelling on villages, use of gunship helis and jets on population are causing huge civilian casaulties. Unfortunately they are labelled terrorist sympathizers and no independent media is allowed by army in FATA to verify these claims. Tribals themeselves have told me many things which i dont feel the need to share on a military forum, they would be simply rejected as stories and rumours. People are afraid, no tribal want to get "disappeared" by agencies. If IDPs are to be believed, then the world will forget about gaza once every kind of media is allowed in FATA.
May Allah has mercy on us and may he forgive us

I did not know media is not allowed in FATA, whereas what Israelis are doing is under intense international media scrutiny.
 
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