New Han Great Walls found outside China

[ChineseTiger1986]

I am afraid that both WB and Enemy are not PIE Aryan, if you wanna see the PIE Aryan, then go to East Europe among those Russians/Ukrainians/Poles.

If you are not the PIE Aryan, then stop being an obsessive racialist/racist, you are just a mutt whom your ancestor has been Indo-Europeanized by the PIE Aryans.

At least most of the Chinese are pure-blooded and primarily descended from the Proto-Sino-Tibetan group, we got what our ancestor gave to us.

 

[Enemy]

No one said we are invincible, but we have been barely defeated in the course of Human history.

Why? Due to intellect mostly. Though East Asians tend to have higher average IQ's, Europeans have invented almost everything you see around you. Everything from the internet to spacecraft to the periodic table to electrification to the atom bomb to the jet fighter to.... you get the point!

I would say that, easily, 95% of our modern conveniences have come from the European people.

That is undisputed.

Not only that, you gave us the sense of modernity, from Renaissance to Revolution, from prose to poetry, without your contribution, mankind would still be living in the dark ages in the true sense of the term.

When the British conquered India, they taught the Indians how to study in a modern education system, schools, universities, how to practice modern medical science, how to wear shirts and trousers, how to eat on a dining table sitting on a chair -- everything of our day to day lives.

Before the British, Indians were virtually some barbarians busy burning teenage widows alive on the banks of the Ganges. They put an end to this tradition. The sense of Forest conservation was another contribution. Had the Forest Act not been implemented by the British in 1927, I doubt there would have been a single tree left in South Asia.

I do have self respect but that does not make me blind that I can't acknowledge the superiority of others.

Yes, you are superior because of your innovative skills and intelligence.

Do you think the British should have stayed in India? Do you think the British had every right to stay in India because their ancestors the Aryans had conquered the land much earlier? This will be very sensitive to some, still, I am just asking, you can ignore this question and move on.

Chinese were also innovative but their innovation was like a boat in the middle of the ocean without any compass -- directionless. They invented gunpowder but could not use it in war. They invented compass but never ventured to conquer overseas lands. Somewhere their IQ always betrayed them. Chinese were people without vision.

 

[Aegis DDG]

What? I said races DO exist, but you and I, for example, do not belong to the same race.

You are positing that the races are "Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid" which is bullshit. I study this; I know what I refer to when I say the races are further separate than just phenotypically.

Amerindians are NOT "bastardized children fathered by whites and blacks and mothered by native Indian women."

Those are mulattoes, mixed-race White-Black, while mestizos are mixed-race White-Amerindian.

Amerindians are the people that are genetically 100% native to the Americas, who share a common ancestry with each other going back 15,000-25,000 years, when their initial tribes crossed the Beringia strait into modern-day Alaska.

You are right, sub-Saharan Africans and Europeans are more or less entirely different species. Our Fixation distance is approx. 0.153 across the autosomes, which is a larger difference compared to the differences between some species!

As are Indian subcontinent natives and Europeans. We are not of the same people. We are DIFFERENT. You are the one implying that all Caucasoids belong to the same race, not me.

I am of European ancestry; I belong to the European race; I do not share the same race with North Africans, South Asians, or any other Caucasoids. The races are much further separate than just physical appearance.

Are you telling me that these two people are racially indistinguishable from each other? They are not. People native to the Indian subcontinent belong to a separate race than people native to the European continent.

What about Hamites like the Abyssinian and Morities (Ethiopian Semitic speakers)? How come they look different from West African bantus and have Med culture and history?

 

[WhiteMansBurden]

I am afraid that both WB and Enemy are not PIE Aryan, if you wanna see the PIE Aryan, then go to East Europe among those Russians/Ukrainians/Poles.

Mix up of words there chief.

The PIE descendants by the name of 'Indo-Aryans' no longer exist, not even in Eastern Europe, as you posited.

If you are referring to the PIE themselves, the ancestors of the Indo-Aryans, then yes they do exist, all over Europe today. We are their descendants! The PIE led to a little thing called the Indo-European migrations. They are the ancestors of many Europeans living today. Their blood is not just in the Eastern Europeans, but in the Western one's as well.

If you are not the PIE Aryan, then stop being an obsessive racialist/racist, you are just a mutt whom your ancestor has been Indo-Europeanized by the PIE Aryans

You don't even have an inkling of a clue as to what you are referring to.

There is no such thing as a "PIE Aryan". You are literally referring to two different groups, one an ancestor (the PIE) and one the descendant (the proto-Indo Aryans, which led to the Indo-Aryans). Europeans ARE the PIE people. We don't just descend from them, they are our great-great-great-great (etc.) grand parents.

At least most of the Chinese are pure-blooded and primarily descended from the Proto-Sino-Tibetan group

Yea, which is why Chinese people are so closely related to the Vietnamese.... lol...

 

[WhiteMansBurden]

What about Hamites like the Abyssinian and Morities (Ethiopian Semitic speakers)? How come they look different from West African bantus and have Med culture and history?

Terms like "Hamite" are also hilariously outdated. These are just more 19th century racial classifications.

You are referring to the East Africans, correct?

They are an interesting story. The East Africans are genetically smack in the middle between sub-Saharan African Negroids and North Africans, and the North Africans are genetically in-between the East Africans and the Europeans (though quite a bit closer to Europeans).

That is undisputed.

Not only that, you gave us the sense of modernity, from Renaissance to Revolution, from prose to poetry, without your contribution, mankind would still be living in the dark ages in the true sense of the term.

When the British conquered India, they taught the Indians how to study in a modern education system, schools, universities, how to practice modern medical science, how to wear shirts and trousers, how to eat on a dining table sitting on a chair -- everything of our day to day lives.

Before the British, Indians were virtually some barbarians busy burning teenage widows alive on the banks of the Ganges. They put an end to this tradition. The sense of Forest conservation was another contribution. Had the Forest Act not been implemented by the British in 1927, I doubt there would have been a single tree left in South Asia.

I do have self respect but that does not make me blind that I can't acknowledge the superiority of others.

Yes, you are superior because of your innovative skills and intelligence.

Do you think the British should have stayed in India? Do you think the British had every right to stay in India because their ancestors the Aryans had conquered the land much earlier? This will be very sensitive to some, still, I am just asking, you can ignore this question and move on.

Chinese were also innovative but their innovation was like a boat in the middle of the ocean without any compass -- directionless. They invented gunpowder but could not use it in war. They invented compass but never ventured to conquer overseas lands. Somewhere their IQ always betrayed them. Chinese were people without vision.

Thank you. I appreciate your honesty.

Your question regarding India -- I suspect that if the Indians want self-determination, then they should have it. The days of foreign conquest are over, and I'm thankful for that.

Less time having to seek forgiveness from the 'heavenly' 3rd world races, and more time focusing on European problems.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Mix up of words there chief.

The PIE descendants by the name of 'Indo-Aryans' no longer exist, not even in Eastern Europe, as you posited.

If you are referring to the PIE themselves, the ancestors of the Indo-Aryans, then yes they do exist, all over Europe today. We are their descendants! The PIE led to a little thing called the Indo-European migrations. They are the ancestors of many Europeans living today. Their blood is not just in the Eastern Europeans, but in the Western one's as well.

You don't get it, if you don't carry the R1a Y-DNA, then you are not their biological descendants.

The genemarker of the Proto-Sino-Tibetan is O3a, while 80-90% of the Chinese men carry this.

The genemarker of the Proto-Indo-European is R1a, while less than 10% of the Western European men carry this.

Do you get it? You are far away from your linguistic ancestor, while we are not.

Yea, which is why Chinese people are so closely related to the Vietnamese.... lol...

You fool, Viets are not even Sino-Tibetans, but yeah we are closer than them compared Germans to Italians, because Europeans are genetically more mixed than East Asians.

 

[Aegis DDG]

Terms like "Hamite" are also hilariously outdated. These are just more 19th century racial classifications.

You are referring to the East Africans, correct?

They are an interesting story. The East Africans are genetically smack in the middle between sub-Saharan African Negroids and North Africans, and the North Africans are genetically in-between the East Africans and the Europeans (though quite a bit closer to Europeans).

Not really... I mean Ethiopian only have 20% L halo-group genes which is the offical Negroid which originated from the Tropics of West Africa. There was an significant back-to-africa migration that was undertaken by Cacasiniods that spoke the Afro-Asiatic Language and had similar culture and ligustic patterns Haplogroup J-M267 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, We all know the Afro-Asiatic Urheimat orginated in the valleys of N.Iraq and E.Anatolia.. There was recent documented invasions of the HOA by Semites during the early Classical period, replacing the puntites/D'mt civilization with Abyssians and Axumites
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Kingdom of Aksum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Enemy]

I am afraid that both WB and Enemy are not PIE Aryan, if you wanna see the PIE Aryan, then go to East Europe among those Russians/Ukrainians/Poles.

If you are not the PIE Aryan, then stop being an obsessive racialist/racist, you are just a mutt whom your ancestor has been Indo-Europeanized by the PIE Aryans.

At least most of the Chinese are pure-blooded and primarily descended from the Proto-Sino-Tibetan group, we got what our ancestor gave to us.

Rosenberg lamented from the core of his heart that the Aryans after conquering India, no longer remained Aryans.

Germans had been greatly studying the Orient. Max Muller was the first who translated the Vedas into German. You can read his book the Biography of Agni, the lethal weapon god of the Aryans.

But watching the contemporary Indians, Rosenberg felt the pain that anyone can feel today.

Race, Soul, and Indo-Aryan Religion

 

[WhiteMansBurden]

You don't get it, if you don't carry the R1a Y-DNA, then you are not their biological descendants.

Are you going to lecture me as you sit there combining phrases you don't even understand? You actually said "PIE Aryan". You literally combined two different groups of people, living in two different times, together!

First things first.

Distribution of the R1a haplogroup:

Let me see... You said Ukraine, Russia, all the way up to Poland. Yea.... care to retract your statement now?

Also, you forget (conveniently) to state something (or you probably don't even know). ALL Europeans are descendants of the PIE people, even those that don't have admixture in their ancestral DNA due to the PIE migrations. How? Before the PIE people left to inhabit the Pontic-Caspian Steppes, where did they originate from?

Oh yea! Other European populations!

Viets are not even Sino-Tibetans

Who said they are? I'm a fool, and you are functionally illiterate. I said "related", not "you guys speak the same language". How did mix up these two phrases?

The genetic distance between Vietnamese and Chinese populations is very close indeed. And you say it's because East Asians are more homogeneous compared to us "mixed" Europeans.

1: "Mixed" implies admixture from foreign populations. The genetic distance between groups has nothing to do with foreign admixture, which is an indication of your ignorance on the topic. Basic stuff.

2: Vietnamese are usually thrown into the Southeast Asian population group, due to different phenotypic characteristics (Sundadont vs. Sinodont) and due to being one cluster of people when compared to other regional variations (East Asians, Central Asians, South Asians, etc.)

3: Europeans are remarkably homogenous.

The conclusion is that you share a lot of admixture with other population groups/races, while Europeans are a remarkably homogeneous people, even if there is some strong genetic distance between certain groups (Saami, Iceland, Sardinia, Basques).

 

[WhiteMansBurden]

We all know the Afro-Asiatic Urheimat orginated in the valleys of N.Iraq and E.Anatolia.

No, it most probably originated in the Horn of Africa or modern-day South Sudan (thereabouts).

As for what I said, take a look:

Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Dual origins of Sub-Saharan Africans?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Are you going to lecture me as you sit there combining phrases you don't even understand? You actually said "PIE Aryan". You literally combined two different groups of people, living in two different times, together!

First things first.

Distribution of the R1a haplogroup:

Let me see... You said Ukraine, Russia, all the way up to Poland. Yea.... care to retract your statement now?

Also, you forget (conveniently) to state something (or you probably don't even know). ALL Europeans are descendants of the PIE people, even those that don't have admixture in their ancestral DNA due to the PIE migrations. How? Before the PIE people left to inhabit the Pontic-Caspian Steppes, where did they originate from?

Oh yea! Other European populations!



Who said they are? I'm a fool, and you are functionally illiterate. I said "related", not "you guys speak the same language". How did mix up these two phrases?

The genetic distance between Vietnamese and Chinese populations is very close indeed. And you say it's because East Asians are more homogeneous compared to us "mixed" Europeans.

1: "Mixed" implies admixture from foreign populations. The genetic distance between groups has nothing to do with foreign admixture, which is an indication of your ignorance on the topic. Basic stuff.

2: Vietnamese are usually thrown into the Southeast Asian population group, due to different phenotypic characteristics (Sundadont vs. Sinodont) and due to being one cluster of people when compared to other regional variations (East Asians, Central Asians, South Asians, etc.)

3: Europeans are remarkably homogenous.

The conclusion is that you share a lot of admixture with other population groups/races, while Europeans are a remarkably homogeneous people, even if there is some strong genetic distance between certain groups (Saami, Iceland, Sardinia, Basques).

Not all European, the PIE society is patriarchal (same as the PST society), you have to carry their unique male genemarker in order to claim as their legitimate offspring.

Have you seen in this map? Less than 10% of the Western Europeans carry the R1a gene, thus your chance of being an AR1an will be less than 10%.

 

[WhiteMansBurden]

Have you seen in this map? Less than 10% of the Western Europeans carry the R1a gene, thus your chance of being an AR1an will be less than 10%.

You just used the term Aryan again. Are you just going to continue to use terms which belong elsewhere? The Indo-Aryans evolved from the PIE people in Central Asia. They became the Proto-Indo-Iranians, then the Indo-Iranians, and from them the Proto-Iranians and the Proto-Indo-Aryans emerged, and FROM THEM, the Indo-Aryans and the Iranians emerged.

Using the term "Aryan" to refer to those that carry the R1a marker makes me want to fall off my chair from laughter. This is like saying that Blacks are actually Europeans too, because they at one time were interbreeding freely.

Secondly, the map clearly shows that there are many in Central Europe, much further than Poland, that carry the R1a marker.

Thirdly, as I've already stated, all of the PIE people themselves descend from ALL Europeans, going back only approx. 3,000 years before the PIE people even existed! You get what I'm saying? The PIE people themselves are the descendants of the ancestors of the people that you claim do not descend from the PIE people.

LOOL!

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The conclusion is that you share a lot of admixture with other population groups/races, while Europeans are a remarkably homogeneous people, even if there is some strong genetic distance between certain groups (Saami, Iceland, Sardinia, Basques).

Funny, when 80-90% of the Chinese men carry the unique male genemarker of their linguistic ancestor, while your people carry less than 10% male genemarker of your Indo-European linguistic ancestor, yet you dare to call us less homogeneous?

Yes, the modern science was invented by the western europeans, but you are now denying the outcome giving by your own science because it doesn't suit your racial point of view.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You just used the term Aryan again. Are you just going to continue to use terms which belong elsewhere? The Indo-Aryans evolved from the PIE people in Central Asia. They became the Proto-Indo-Iranians, then the Indo-Iranians, and from them the Proto-Iranians and the Proto-Indo-Aryans emerged, and FROM THEM, the Indo-Aryans and the Iranians emerged.

Using the term "Aryan" to refer to those that carry the R1a marker makes me want to fall off my chair from laughter. This is like saying that Blacks are actually Europeans too, because they at one time were interbreeding freely.

Secondly, the map clearly shows that there are many in Central Europe, much further than Poland, that carry the R1a marker.

Thirdly, as I've already stated, all of the PIE people themselves descend from ALL Europeans, going back only approx. 3,000 years before the PIE people even existed! You get what I'm saying? The PIE people themselves are the descendants of the ancestors of the people that you claim do not descend from the PIE people.

LOOL!

R1a is the marker of the Proto-Indo-European.

And i am talking about the "West Europe", only East Germany carries about 20% of R1a, the tendency starts to further decreasing in the west.

British/Irish/French/Dutch/West German mostly carry less than 10% of R1a, while you should be aware that these people are the main group that made USA.

Most of Americans descended from the R1b farmers from the Middle East followed by the I Native Europeans, it has very little to do with the Proto-Indo-Europeans.

 

[WhiteMansBurden]

Funny, when 80-90% of the Chinese men carry the unique male genemarker of their linguistic ancestor, while your people carry less than 10% male genemarker of your Indo-European linguistic ancestor, yet you dare to call us less homogeneous?

Yes, the modern science was invented by the western europeans, but you are now denying the outcome giving by your own science because it doesn't suit your racial point of view.

Listen, you keep repeating yourself.

Let's put my new statement in the form of questions. This way you can just directly answer the arguments and we can conclude this charade

You have strong admixture with Vietnamese, yes?

Well, Vietnamese belong to a different population group.

Europeans have been shut off from the rest of the world, yes? Genetic distances are due to mutations and geographic distance, NOT foreign admixture, correct?

Europeans are remarkably homogeneous, correct?

Most of Americans descended from the R1b farmers from the Middle East followed by the I Native Europeans, it has very little to do with the Proto-Indo-European

LOL, WRONG.

The PIE people were also descended from the same Neolithic farmers migrating into Europe circa 7,000 BC. Reading half-baked articles on the internet is only going to give you so much information.

The PIE people only diverged from non-PIE AFTER we moved into Europe. That's what I'm referring to when I say, even though some of us have little genetic ancestry directly attributed to the PIE migrations, the PIE THEMSELVES are descended from the same Europeans that you seek to claim do not descend from the PIE people.