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It doesn't matter mukhti bhni are not internationally recognized terrorist, just because US doesn't recognize them as such doesn't mean . What they did was terrorism, end of the story.

BD minister story is 10 years old, mullan did not raise any fingers. You should learn what wikileaks is and what exactly happened with the wikileaks before saying wikileaks raised fingers at Pakistan. Can't remember Poland minister saying anything, UK PM changed his statement (LOL), LSE is a college who has no expertise in these areas.

Of course things can be proven in international matters. You just need to provide evidence. Why do you ask for evidence then for Pakistan's accusations against India?

Let me tell you something though, just like I said before. Today, look who claims Pakistan is supporting these groups. Only Bharat, Afghanistan, and some parts of the western media. That's it. You don't hear anything from any other government/state. So even if we're to go by your logic, it's still a failure.

And not to mention, it's a conspiracy theory.
 
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I am sure we will deal with any group hell bent on killing innocents .......becuase be it Modi or Purohit, if they are guilty of colliding in killing innocents, they must be punished.....no matter who they are....

I do not support civilains taking law in their own hand....
 
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it's not only america but nobody else other than pakistan recognise mukthi bahini as terrorists.they were just armed militants/ revolutionarys who fought against partiality of west pakistan.

bangladesh ministers allegation is certainly old but enough to prove that it not only india+afghan.

please provide me the link Uk PM'S correction of words.

i have posted wiki chief and admiral mullan and poland ministers comments kindly check it.
american parliamentarians considers LSE study report seriously.they asked us officers view on that.

finally international matters matters are rarely work on proof rather it works on primary evidences, intelligence from reliable sources and once that is available it then comes to power of politics and media.that's how pakistan accepted kasab is pakistani citizen..if there was on pressure pakistan would not have accepted that also..and there is no strong enough mechanism to prove such cases when culprit and evidence seeker is the same.
and let me tell you that india asking evidence also is part of the game..like pakistan india also will deny the evidence if there is any unless some undeniable evidence comes across which is very unlikely.
 
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it's not only america but nobody else other than pakistan recognise mukthi bahini as terrorists.they were just armed militants/ revolutionarys who fought against partiality of west pakistan.

At that time only west was the real power. If it was today, China would certainly call it a terrorist group. The episode is long over now and no body cares about it anymore. West doesn't call Jundullah a terrorist group, it doesn't mean it isn't. It all depends on whose side these groups are.. Mukhti Bahini was a terrorist group, and that's all that matters.

bangladesh ministers allegation is certainly old but enough to prove that it not only india+afghan.

We're talking about what's happening today. If you look carefully, it was "water resources minister" who made these comments. You talk about how this effects perception. The only place it made a difference was Bharat.

please provide me the link Uk PM'S correction of words.

I don't have time to dig it up, but what he said was that "I was referring to the people and not the government". If you don't believe me then it doesn't matter, you should look at the fall out of his comments. It was him who was on the back foot after the comments, not Pakistan. Besides, a conspiracy theory is a conspiracy theory.


i have posted wiki chief and admiral mullan and poland ministers comments kindly check it.

We've discussed where the wikileaks cables came from. It was from paid afghan informants.

As for mullan, well the US government itself dismissed the cables and said that they get filtered through - these ones don't make it through. That says a lot.

american parliamentarians considers LSE study report seriously.they asked us officers view on that.

I didn't hear anything such. If it was true then it'd been posted on this forum a long time ago. Besides, American Parliamentarians also considered Iraq having WMDs as serious

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finally international matters matters are rarely work on proof rather it works on primary evidences, intelligence from reliable sources and once that is available it then comes to power of politics and media.that's how pakistan accepted kasab is pakistani citizen..if there was on pressure pakistan would not have accepted that also..and there is no strong enough mechanism to prove such cases when culprit and evidence seeker is the same.
and let me tell you that india asking evidence also is part of the game..like pakistan india also will deny the evidence if there is any unless some undeniable evidence comes across which is very unlikely.

Primary evidence IS proof. If you can't back up what you say with proof then one doesn't need to look further. What you say becomes a conspiracy theory.

Look at how far the current allegations against ISI go. Someone in the media talks about it one day, and one hour later it is forgotten that the allegations have even been made. Do you see any serious effort to name and blame ISI? All you see is stuff one day and next day no one cares about it. Again, you talk about how perceptions matter. Well look at that.

Look at the LSE report. When was the last time you hear anyone talk about it? Outside Bharat? Only bharatis still remember it. Same with the wikileaks allegations. You talk about perceptions, look at that for perception. If ISI is supporting Taliban then it would have been a much bigger deal from the western countries as their military is fighting there. But what you here is empty words once every year or so to pressurize Pakisan into doing certain things. You talk about perceptions, you should realize that the allegations against ISI are not really as popular as you've made yourself believe.

Again, the only place where these conspiracy theories are popular is bharat. Outside bharat, it is mentioned once a year and even then no one gives a sh*t about it. Like I said, it is said one day and forgotten the next. Well except in Bharat. Only ones to remember it are Indians.
 
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you says at that time american was big power it didn't recognise it as terror group so the perception was in favour to mukthi bahini and nobody supported pak view on that.so mukthi bahini is not a terrorist organisation..perception of the world matters.

wiki leaks chief mentioned that the intelligence reports were impact came from americans and very reliable.only small portion have come from other paid informers.america offer pakistan support in WOT is their comments in current matters shows their frustration about ISI double games but they can't before to say it openly once this operations finish they will come out with more open comments.now it's just controlled criticism just enough to put pressure on pakistan.

i searched for UK prime ministers with drawl of charges but i could not find it.so i believe it is not happened..or else you have to give me the link.
bangladesh ministers allegations does matters very much at least in asian regain it is talked about seriously..or it's more than enough disprove your claim of only india+afghan.

you didn't commented on poland ministers allegations also finally if you are not interested in discussions about old incidents we can stop it here.
from the links i have given current perception of bangladesh+poland+UK+america+media against pakistan+china perception.
 
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Well the idea is that Indians are not behind at all when it comes to creating and indulging into conspiracy theories. Yes, those conspiracy theories might be slightly more popular (only slightly, not by much) but that doesn't change the fact that they're conspiracy theories. That's really the point. You can talk all about perception but the crux of what I am saying is that Indians accuse others of making conspiracy theories but then do the same themselves. What they talk about is being logical, rational, objective, having a sane head, etc. That's the talk that I hear. What you're saying flies in the face of that, because you're only caring about perception and not objectively analyzing the evidence that exists for these claims. In fact what you really said was a big diversion from that point.

So my point is, end the hypocrisy, end the double standards, etc.
 
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You need to go back to the previous posts to see what is being discussed here before trying to sound smart.
 
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Its a simple 'Yes' or 'No' answer. Apparently it is rocket science.
 
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You need to stick to stuff that is relevant. I can bring a plethora of stuff which is true but has no relevance to this thread.
 
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I can assure you that I have absolutely no doubt in your ability to google. But I wonder, and I am just thinking aloud, what was Mr Cameron's comment all about. I believe it was about terrorism and Pakistan having to do something with it. If it is indeed about terrorism and Pakistan, I wonder, how Daood Gilani and Kasab are not relevant as evidence.
 
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I can't believe I am having to explain something that should be quite clear.

What we were discussing were allegations against ISI/Pakistani state support for groups. Not independent non-state actors carrying out their own acts.
 
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Bingo....

In a discussion regarding 'allegations' against Pakistani State agencies, of being actively involved in fomenting terrorism, particularly in India, admissions of Daood Gilani and Ajmal Kasab are 'irrelevant', how exactly?
 
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Because neither Bharat nor any other state provided any proof that the Pakistani state was involved in those attacks. Ajmal Kasab provided nothing, while the so-called admissions of Headley was only discussed in indian media and no American government official said anything about it (this has also been discussed in another topic before).
 
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Ah...finally. It took you 6 post to understand the relevance and respond accordingly.
Because neither Bharat nor any other state provided any proof that the Pakistani state was involved in those attacks. Ajmal Kasab provided nothing, while the so-called admissions of Headley was only discussed in indian media and no American government official said anything about it (this has also been discussed in another topic before).
Now your argument has shifted from 'Indians spin conspiracy theories without proof' to 'I don't accept as proof what has been provided as proof'. Thanks for establishing what I had intended to establish.
 
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