New China law says children 'must visit parents'

[JSCh]

Chinese are traditional ancestor worshiper. Filial duty is held in the highest regards in Confucianism.

The cold war is over. There is no more competition for moral superiority in political system. Nobody is suppose to try to actively spread and enforce their ideology upon people of other culture. Chinese has the right to run their country in their own way. After all they are the one that would enjoy or suffer the consequence. Why is it that some always has this "holier than thou" attitude toward China?

Please leave your mission to save Chinese at your door.<\sarcasm>

 

[illusion8]

That are not enforced. Just saying...

You are saying these laws are not state laws?

Mad World: Top 50 strange American laws

 

[gambit]

Chinese are traditional ancestor worshiper. Filial duty is held in the highest regards in Confucianism.

The cold war is over. There is no more competition for moral superiority in political system. Nobody is suppose to try to actively spread and enforce their ideology upon people of other culture. Chinese has the right to run their country in their own way. After all they are the one that would enjoy or suffer the consequence. Why is it that some always has this "holier than thou" attitude toward China?

Please leave your mission to save Chinese at your door.<\sarcasm>

And who say they do not?

Looky here...Lawmaking is a dangerous endeavor. Apparently, far more dangerous than you realize. It is dangerous because a law give the government the obvious right to impose its will upon you. The word 'obvious' here mean there is a written record of that grant. Even a charismatic dictatorship, Saddam Hussein for example, needs laws, no matter how immoral they may be, to give the government at least a patina of legitimacy in ruling.

The problem with a bad law is that it give petty bureaucrats the latitude to exercise their pettiness without the knowledge and consent of a higher authority who may be of superior moral understanding on the original intention of the law. The intention may be noble and most laws usually have noble intentions. But a bad law or a poorly written one will give the people subjected to it poor guidance on how they should act in relation to their government. Manipulative people on both sides of the bureaucratic table will exploit the vagueness of the law to give themselves advantages, either to avoid penalties or to unjustly exact penalties. Both opens the door to corruption.

You are saying these laws are not state laws?

Mad World: Top 50 strange American laws

There is a difference between having a law and enforcing it. Many of these laws that are strange today have legitimate concerns back then. Or at least the perception of those concerns being necessary. But over time, the laws are no longer applicable and when there are rapid progress with changing legislatures, obsolete laws tends to be ignored from being repealed.

 

[ChinaToday]

NO- Only sheep like you see this govt mandate as good thing. Now only if they have a law against you guys yelling on cell phones . Then again if most Chinese are like you then I guess you need to prodded like cattle.

hey braindead what really matter is how Chinese think of this law , we don't need a retard indian from a country atleast 40 years behind us in everything to tell us what is good or bad for us if you know what I mean

 

[Aegis DDG]

Respect your Parents and Teachers and pay tribute to your community/national leaders. One shall be an disciplined and morally good person if he looks after he/her's aging parents.

 

[JSCh]

And who say they do not?

Looky here...Lawmaking is a dangerous endeavor. Apparently, far more dangerous than you realize. It is dangerous because a law give the government the obvious right to impose its will upon you. The word 'obvious' here mean there is a written record of that grant. Even a charismatic dictatorship, Saddam Hussein for example, needs laws, no matter how immoral they may be, to give the government at least a patina of legitimacy in ruling.

The problem with a bad law is that it give petty bureaucrats the latitude to exercise their pettiness without the knowledge and consent of a higher authority who may be of superior moral understanding on the original intention of the law. The intention may be noble and most laws usually have noble intentions. But a bad law or a poorly written one will give the people subjected to it poor guidance on how they should act in relation to their government. Manipulative people on both sides of the bureaucratic table will exploit the vagueness of the law to give themselves advantages, either to avoid penalties or to unjustly exact penalties. Both opens the door to corruption.

This particular law is not a law that carry a heavy punishment, even if someone abuse it, the harm would be limited in scope. There are established traditional moral code in the interpretation of this law that is very familiar to the Chinese people. It is hard for anyone to abuse it.

I do not think the law would be apply often anyway, probably would be invoked in particularly bad recalcitrant cases. The way law enforcement work in China is very different than other place. Chinese like to settle thing among themselves, it is considered too much against social protocol to throw the book at someone. Yes, this same moral tradition apply to police and government official as well.

I think it is more a political gesture from the government.

 

[gpit]

This difference between most of us in democracies and you guys. you need to govt to tell you / make it criminal on how to conduct your personal life in even aspects of how many visits you make to your parents , quality of visits... can't wait till they tell which foot to use first to wear your pants next.

There is nothing called "us in democracy".

Our democracy is different from your democracy (or democrazy).

In your democrazy, raping is tolerated, wide spread and non-criminal, starving kids to death is a norm... perhpas you deem those crimes as personal life, just as your practice of caste ideology. Nobody cares about it, not even your government. What you care the most is how to corrupt...

It sounds like an animal society where jungle laws prevail...

 

[JayAtl]

There is nothing called "us in democracy".

Our democracy is different from your democracy (or democrazy).

In your democrazy, raping is tolerated, wide spread and non-criminal, starving kids to death is a norm... perhpas you deem those crimes as personal life, just as your practice of caste ideology. Nobody cares about it, not even your government. What you care the most is how to corrupt...

It sounds like an animal society where jungle laws prevail...

classic reason why you Chinese Americans lag behind Indians in the US. just ignorant racist bigoted comments like above. Now I know " happy endings in massage parlors" was recently ruled legal in china( China 'Happy Endings' Legal: Foshan Court Rules That Masturbation Is Not Prostitution ), but that does not mean rape is accepted in other cultures, let alone in India.

That would be be like someone saying " slashing little kids with knifes " is accepted in China. In India at lest people are allowed freedom of press to know when criminal activities take place, you in China don't even put out stats on it and if someone talks about your tainted milk and other issues it gets banned by the govt.

Coming from a culture that holds the distinction of 30 million starved to death, on purpose I may add- you are hardly in position to speak about the plight of the poor in other countries. Then coming from a country where it's masses run off , its politicians run off with millions of embezzled money to the US- you again are in hardly any position to speak about India. In fact your leaders have run off with so much embezzled money that even your own govt is making it a priority to try and stop it. when was the last time you had Indians running off to US with embezzled money near the numbers you Chinese do?

 

[longyi]

Grandmother wins 1st China neglect case



BEIJING -- The daughter of a Chinese grandmother has been ordered to visit her at least once every two months, in the first case under a new law to protect the elderly, reports said Tuesday.

“Leaning on a cane” the woman, 77, “hobbled to the plaintiff's seats” at a court in Wuxi, which heard the case against the daughter and her husband on Monday, the Wuxi Daily reported.

The law, which came into effect Monday, was enacted amid rising concerns that China's rapid development has challenged its traditional extended family unit and created a spiraling number of “empty nest” homes.

Reports of elderly people being neglected or mistreated by their children have shocked the country.

The couple from Wuxi, in the eastern province of Jiangsu, had agreed to care for the woman, surnamed Chu, but had not visited since she went to live with her son following a family dispute, the report said.

The People's Court in Beitang district decided the couple should visit the mother at least once every two months, and on at least two of China's national holidays, it added.

It also said that the couple could be ordered to pay compensation if they did not visit.

The Law on Protection of the Rights and Interests of the Elderly says family members should visit relatives who are aged over 60 “often” — but does not give a precise definition of the term.

Experts have voiced concern that the new law will be difficult to enforce, while China's huge army of web users ridiculed the regulation, with one labelling it an “insult to the nation.”

Grandmother wins 1st China neglect case - The China Post


Something doesn't work in the West doesn't mean it won't work in the East. Who knows, this might start a new trend.

 

[Sonyuke_Songpaisan]

we have lost our morals and values.

 

[JayAtl]

Something doesn't work in the West doesn't mean it won't work in the East. Who knows, this might start a new trend.

As much as you want us to become a nanny state like china- we wont. no " re education camps " for us!

 

[Coltsfan]

Does the proposed law also stipulate the duration of visit, what to wear, topics of discussion etc?

Surprised to see people actually supporting this law........

 

[Developereo]

hey braindead what really matter is how Chinese think of this law , we don't need a retard indian from a country atleast 40 years behind us in everything to tell us what is good or bad for us if you know what I mean

Social engineering through law is an established practice around the world, including in the West. Examples include laws about parenting, littering, public conduct, etc.

The difference between Western laws and this Chinese law is a matter of degree, not fundamentals.

Does the proposed law also stipulate the duration of visit, what to wear, topics of discussion etc?

Surprised to see people actually supporting this law........

Social engineering laws can only go so far; they cannot enforce full conduct.

Western law requires parents to send their kids to school; it cannot go into people's home and make sure that they help the kids with homework.

Similarly, this law is intended to make kids take first responsibility for the welfare of elderly parents instead of dumping them on social services. It cannot go into people's homes and make sure what the kids actually do.

 

[Coltsfan]

Social engineering through law is an established practice around the world, including in the West. Examples include laws about parenting, littering, public conduct, etc.

The difference between Western laws and this Chinese law is a matter of degree, not fundamentals.



Social engineering laws can only go so far; they cannot enforce full conduct.

Western law requires parents to send their kids to school; it cannot go into people's home and make sure that they help the kids with homework.

Similarly, this law is intended to make kids take first responsibility for the welfare of elderly parents instead of dumping them on social services. It cannot go into people's homes and make sure what the kids actually do.

So what's the point of coming up with a law that can not be enforced....... it makes Chinese govt look like bunch of jokers!

 

[IndoUS]

I don't really understand this law, all the Chinese people that I know and work with, respect and take care of their parents. Most of people have their parents living with them. The whole case of abandoning the parents is far fetched in my opinion most Asians I know either have their parents living with them, or they financially support their parents and visit them every one or two years (If they live outside the country). So I highly doubt that this will be a big problem in China.