Netherlands cancel landing permit for turkish foreign minister

[SMS Derfflinger]

Guess what goes unnoticed at home.
Turkey’s unemployment rate rises to 12.7 pct, highest in seven years

Don`t bother Sinan, you will get a low unemployment rate soon again...

Apperantly, Dutch people look for another Hitler like ''leader'', that explains the popularity of Wilder in the Dutch society. the difference between Hitler Germany and Wilder Nerherlands is:

Apperantly, Turkish people look for another Hitler like ''leader'', that explains the popularity of Erdogan in the Turkish society. the difference between Hitler Germany and Erdogan`s Turkey is:

I`m really sorry @Islamic faith&Secularism, i have quoted you false...my fault...

Well Germany today stopped the economic proeject and payments to Turkey.

What are you talking about? We have only canceled some economic meetings...?

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

As I indicated before you, the far greater majority (doesn't matter if it is 8000 minus 60 or 8000 minus 300) of all cases were not attributable to any Dutch. You fail to comprendend the meaning of that.

What we(at least me) are debating here is your comment and my challenge with law and int. treaty, here is your comment:

Individual politicians and official representatives of the State are two entirely different entities. Therein lies the problem.

I hope this time You can give a straigth answer via the window of law and int. treaty as i challenged you with, instead of a side topic, otherwise People could think you are a cheap talker.

Uhm no, it was brought on the table by mr Erdogan, with baseless (and totally IRRELEVANT) accusations.

It is between you and Mr.Erdoğan, feel free to contact to him about this, but do not come up with such topic to run away from the current one. People could think you are a weak debater.

More bla bla bla from someone in an armchair in a cosy place.

Typical behaviour of someone who denies the reality proven with facts today as in the past.

You clearly have no clue about the situation here. Wilders will not take any governing responsibility, his only strength is to remain opposition. Besides, few if any parties will work with him on a coalition, and without a coalition you cannot govern.

Education level (low) still is the best predictor of whether or not someone would vote for him. Consider trends here:
"In 2012, 28 percent in the Dutch population were highly educated. The education level in the population has risen continually since 2003. The proportion of low educated people declined, the proportion of people educated at secondary level remained unchanged. The proportion of highly educated has grown more rapidly among young women than among young men."
https://www.cbs.nl/en-gb/news/2013/40/dutch-population-better-educated

The future does not belong to Wilders.

No excuse can change the current situation.

the politicians took some illegal actions in order to please the voters for the upcoming election, and according to your excuse the majority dutch are low educated, so that was the only way to get their votes to keep the power. Interstingly, you imply the same theory for Erdoğan and voters in Turkey.

Thank you for your honesty tho.

Which is what I posted, earlier. so I don't see what your point would be. At least we are a country that investigates and judges our own fumbles. Unlike some countries that I know, that treated some of their own population groups rather poorly (i.e. to death) and deny it.

In other words, you admit your country took part in genocide of Bosnians, celebrated it with genociders.

It is becoming a theraphy for you to face with your ancestors' shame and crimes against humanity.

That is all you are interested in, obviously, not in actually having a open and reasonable discussion.

I will repeat:

What we(at least me) are debating here is your comment and my challenge with law and int. treaty, here is your comment:

Individual politicians and official representatives of the State are two entirely different entities. Therein lies the problem.

I hope this time You can give a straigth answer via the window of law and int. treaty as i challenged you with, instead of a side topic, otherwise People could think you are a cheap talker.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Guess what goes unnoticed at home either.

Turkey: Steel exports to EU increase by 86 pct during Jan-Feb 2017 YoY
-> http://www.hellenicshippingnews.com...u-increase-by-86-pct-during-jan-feb-2017-yoy/
Turkish auto production hits record high in January-February on robust exports
-> https://www.dailysabah.com/automoti...rd-high-in-january-february-on-robust-exports
Turkish exports show 18.1 pct increase in January 2017
-> https://www.dailysabah.com/economy/2017/02/28/turkish-exports-show-181-pct-increase-in-january-2017
Turkey’s exports increase by 5.1 pct in February, reach $11.3 billion
-> https://www.dailysabah.com/economy/...rease-by-51-pct-in-february-reach-113-billion
Turkey maintains fiscal discipline, gov’t budget runs $1.2B surplus in first 2 months of 2017
-> https://www.dailysabah.com/economy/...et-runs-12b-surplus-in-first-2-months-of-2017

Guess what goes unnoticed at home.

Turkey’s unemployment rate rises to 12.7 pct, highest in seven years

Bu haberi burada bu konuda aciklamaktan ne elde ettigini saniyorsun?

 

[Penguin]

The Srebrenica genocide was brougt onto the table by you in our debate.

Uhm, no. See https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/neth...-foreign-minister.482853/page-14#post-9292847

 

[HannibalBarca]

Honestly amigo, whats your problem?

You blame the Netherlands for defending their power over their own nation?

I think we can both agree that Turkey with its current regime is on a downward spiral.

You have a record high unemployment rate. Your politicians should care about that.

Enjoy

Exit polls

Dutch election VVD: 31 -10 (old gov)
PVV, CDA, D66: 19 (Far right/racist coalition)
GroenLinks: 16 +12
SP: 14
PvdA: 9
CU: 6
PvdD: 5
50+: 4
DENK: 3
FvD: 2

VVD, Rutte's party, is first, and still going up...
PVV and allies (3parties) lost a LOT! since Trump inauguration... they were seen 1st at "polls"... (he got only +2% since 2012...)
Denk (Pro-islam) get first 3 seats in history ( well first elction anyway)

What PVV (racist party) said few weeks back...
“We will be the largest party on March 15." Geert Wilders.
Exit polls have him at 12.6%.

Next Time Inshallah!

 

[Selim I]

My point exactly.


If he were so strong he wouldn't be playin these kind of games.
Your own last paragraph reveals who truely is a hypocrite.
Have a nice dream.

My last paragraph reveals how easy piece of meat your nation is. Erdogan tricked you, by denying his ministers entry you lost more than you gained. With this, he will gain even more "yes" votes, because he portrayed Europe's/NL's hypocrisy.

When a force of 25,000 decides to commit genocide, an understrength battalion
of less than 400 should really be able to stop them .

That's why they with their own will slaughtered 300 bosnians as well?

"On 6 September 2013, the Supreme Court dismissed a Government appeal,[280] a judgment that the Government accepted.[281] On 16 July 2014, a Dutch court held the Netherlands liable for the killings of more than 300 Bosniaks at Srebrenica, although the same court ruled that the Netherlands was not liable for the other deaths in Srebrenica."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre

The polls show a 50-50 result, he needs every single vote, dont fool yourself, the AKP that said ''they crushed nationalism'' a couple years ago would never work with nationalists if they didnt need their votes, thats also the reason why they do everything to secure Bahcelis chair in exchange for support.

I don't agree that he allied with Bahceli for only this reason. Of course he needs every vote. I didn't say he secured 60% votes or so. I just state that this man is more powerful than ever.

Because this penguin thinks Erdogan is weak and weakened. And this is the sign. But not really.

 

[Penguin]

In other words, you admit your country took part in genocide of Bosnians, celebrated it with genociders.

How ridiculous can you get in your replies! Are you suggesting Dutch military took part in any killing? You're referening to a pic with Karremans and suggest that was a celebration and consent.

As I posted earlier:

"At midday on 11 July, NATO planes arrived from Italy and struck a Bosnian Serb tank,before being forced to cease operations after General Mladić threatened to "destroy" both the Dutch soldiers and the Bosniak population of Srebrenica unless airstrikes were called off. That afternoon, Mladić, accompanied by General Živanović (then Commander of the Drina Corps), General Krstić (then Deputy Commander and Chief of Staff of the Drina Corps) and other Bosnian Serb officers, took a triumphant walk through the deserted streets of the town of Srebrenica. The moment was captured on film by Serbian journalist Zoran Petrović. Mladić posed for television cameras, before declaring that Srebrenica had been "returned forever to the Serbs." Later, Thom Karremans, the commander of the Dutch troops in the town, drank a toast with Mladić which was filmed for Serb television. Off-camera, however, Mladić warned Karremans that the UN compound in Potočari, where thousands of Bosniak refugees had gathered, would be shelled by the VRS if NATO planes reappeared.

Clearly, you are twisting historical fact: there never was a celebration. There was a meeting, there were threats to strike both civilians and Dutchbat by the commander of an armed force outnumbering the surrounded DutchBat III numerically 3 or 4 to 1, with heavy arms that Dutchbat lacked, while some 130 Dutch UN personnel taken hostage were chained to potential air strike targets.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Enjoy

Exit polls

Dutch election VVD: 31 -10 (old gov)
PVV, CDA, D66: 19 (Far right/racist coalition)
GroenLinks: 16 +12
SP: 14
PvdA: 9
CU: 6
PvdD: 5
50+: 4
DENK: 3
FvD: 2

VVD, Rutte's party, is first, and still going up...
PVV and allies (3parties) lost a LOT! since Trump inauguration... they were seen 1st at "polls"... (he got only +2% since 2012...)
Denk (Pro-islam) get first 3 seats in history ( well first elction anyway)

What PVV (racist party) said few weeks back...
“We will be the largest party on March 15." Geert Wilders.
Exit polls have him at 12.6%.

Next Time Inshallah!

Great. Ruttes hard play against Turkey paid out well. It also shows why its good that Forza Italia takes the hard stance of the far right Lega Nord. We can only win with that.

 

[xenon54 out]

I don't agree that he allied with Bahceli for only this reason.

You will see, just wait a couple months after the referandum, Bahceli will be thrown like a used tissue paper.

 

[T-123456]

PVV, CDA, D66: 19 (Far right/racist coalition)

Never!
Only the PVV is racist.
D66 is the party i voted for so can never be a racist party and will never side with the PVV.
CDA(Christian Democrates) will also never work or side with the PVV.
Forget this ''coalition''.
The VVD is more right then both the D66 and the CDA and even the VVD would never work with the PVV.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Great. Ruttes hard play against Turkey paid out well. It also shows why its good that Forza Italia takes the hard stance of the far right Lega Nord. We can only win with that.

Like I said before, call me a conspiracist but both Rutte and Erdogan are benefiting from the current state of affairs between the Netherlands and Turkey.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Like I said before, call me a conspiracist but both Rutte and Erdogan are benefiting from the current state of affairs between the Netherlands and Turkey.

Well Erdogan got want he wanted with his "yes" referundum and Rutte's got what he wanted for his election in netherland by winning it...
Plus you got Bonus, one is from Turkey with a big F*ck You to Wilder racist rant...

It's a Win-Win btw Rutte and Erdogan.
Diplomatic problem with Turkey give Rutte more voters...

Now wait few weeks or even less, and they will be Besties again...
Politics, Politics , My friend...

Now the Q is : Was it a deal btw them? Tbh , Id on't think so... if it was..then, both of them are wicked as f**ck...

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Well Erdogan got want he wanted with his "yes" referundum and Rutte's got what he wanted for his election in netherland by winning it...
Plus you got Bonus, one is from Turkey with a big F*ck You to Wilder racist rant...

It's a Win-Win btw Rutte and Erdogan.
Diplomatic problem with Turkey give Rutte more voters...

Now wait few weeks or even less, and they will be Besties again...
Politics, Politics , My friend...

Now the Q is : Was is a deal btw them? Tbh , Id on't think so... if it was..then, both of them are wicked as f**ck...

You are wrong.

Rutte showed that you can win back, when you copy the far right and add economic program. Rutte made Wilders mainstream and thats what Wilders is needed for. To break taboo and make it mainstream. Same in Germany, what far right AFD proposed one year ago is now mainstream.

Turkey is an excellent target for external threat campaign. It also shows that pushing hard against unloved minorities like we do in italy profits. Im happy for Rutte victory. It shows that our politics are good.

 

[Penguin]

Enjoy

Exit polls

Dutch election VVD: 31 -10 (old gov)
PVV, CDA, D66: 19 (Far right/racist coalition)
GroenLinks: 16 +12
SP: 14
PvdA: 9
CU: 6
PvdD: 5
50+: 4
DENK: 3
FvD: 2

Exitpoll / 2012 / Change

Coalition parties
VVD 31 / 41 / -10 (Old govt coalition party, prime minister, classic liberals)
PvdA 9 / 38 / -29 (Old govt coalition party, social democrats)

Secondary parties (NOT a far right/racist coalition as these don't work together):
CDA 19 / 13 / +6 (Christian Democrats)
D66 19 / 12 / +7 (Liberal democrats)
PVV 19 / 15 / +4 (Geert Wilders' party > single issue)

D66 and CDA are centre-right parties. PvdA is centre-left. VVD is right. PVV is extreme right.

"Small left" parties:
GroenLinks 16 / 4 / +12 (liberal socialists)
SP 14 / 15 / -1 (Socialists)

IMPORTANT: PvdA loss of 29 appears primarily absorbed by GroenLinks (+12), D66 (+7) and CDA (+6). Together 25/29= 86%. PVV (Geert Wilders) has grown a bit but not nearly as much as was expected/feared.

A coalition need 75+ of 150 seat in parliament. We're looking at a 4 or 5 party coalition for the coming government period, and if VVD keeps election promise, excluding PVV.
Likely:
VVD 31 + CDA 19 + D66 19 + GL 16 = 85 seats (broad coalition)
VVD 31 + D66 19 + CDA 19 + CU 6 + SGP 3 = 78 (liberal-christian coalition, including 2 small christian parties)
Possibly:
VVD 31 + D66 19 + CDA 19 + PvdD 5 + 50plus 4 = 78
VVD 31 + D66 19 + CDA 19 + PvdD 5 + Denk 3 = 77
VVD 31 + D66 19 + CDA 19 + PvdD 5 + FvD 2 = 76
VVD 31 + D66 19 + CDA 19 + 50plus 4 + Denk 3 = 76
VVD 31 + D66 19 + CDA 19 + 50plus 4 + FvD 2 = 75

Left wing
GL 16 + SP 15 + PvdA 9 = 40 > would need another 36 seats e.g. D66 19 + CDA 19
This is the only possible coalition to exclude VVD (assuming no parties cooperate with PVV)

My last paragraph reveals how easy piece of meat your nation is. Erdogan tricked you, by denying his ministers entry you lost more than you gained. With this, he will gain even more "yes" votes, because he portrayed Europe's/NL's hypocrisy.

Exactly what did we loose? So far.... nothing.

That's why they with their own will slaughtered 300 bosnians as well?

"On 6 September 2013, the Supreme Court dismissed a Government appeal,[280] a judgment that the Government accepted.[281] On 16 July 2014, a Dutch court held the Netherlands liable for the killings of more than 300 Bosniaks at Srebrenica, although the same court ruled that the Netherlands was not liable for the other deaths in Srebrenica."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre
They were held liable (legally responsible i.e. open to civil law suit for monetary compensation) in 300 cases, they didnt kill them (not guilty in any case, not the perpetrator). That is an important legal distinction.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Never!
Only the PVV is racist.
D66 is the party i voted for so can never be a racist party and will never side with the PVV.
CDA(Christian Democrates) will also never work or side with the PVV.
Forget this ''coalition''.
The VVD is more right then both the D66 and the CDA and even the VVD would never work with the PVV.

Ik wil hierop zeggen dat ik u niet erg overtuigend vind.

In Nederland zijn veel voorbeelden te vinden van incorrecte conclusies die hebben geresulteerd in de verkeerde besluiten. Not voting for Wilders is one of these grave mistakes. You should have voted for him. Nothing will change now. Meestal denken politici dat burgers niet klaar zijn voor hun oplossingen. Nederlandse politici en partijen moeten een plan kunnen presenteren dat mensen geloven. Only Wilders is capable of doing so.