Netanyahu says Israel is offering Palestinians ‘conditional’ & ‘limited’ sovereignty, new capital

[Lincoln]

Half?


wtf? are you high on cow piss?
worst poster on this forum by far, i mean

Half, because Islam in those regions is divided into Sunni or Shia sub-culture groups of individuals, who live among eachother no doubt.



i suspect it goes back to the days when officials would still cut off the hand of a thief.
there's a lot of nagging for obedience among Muslim leaders living today.

and it tends to be dealt with amongst Muslims in those regions by means of violence.

that external help for the bigger chores (like bombimg entire residential areas into a pulp) then arrives, is *also* the choice of such local leaders.

and if we didn't provide such help, we here in the west can not create *any* kind of decent governing of oil rich regions.

we need oil on a stable delivery rate and a steady reasonable price, or our economies and societies *die*.

now you know that (A) i'm not high on anything right now and (B) i might have a point after all.

Do you accept it as wrong though?

Half, because Islam in those regions is divided into Sunni or Shia sub-culture groups of individuals, who live among eachother no doubt.



i suspect it goes back to the days when officials would still cut off the hand of a thief.
there's a lot of nagging for obedience among Muslim leaders living today.

and it tends to be dealt with amongst Muslims in those regions by means of violence.

that external help for the bigger chores (like bombimg entire residential areas into a pulp) then arrives, is *also* the choice of such local leaders.

and if we didn't provide such help, we here in the west can not create *any* kind of decent governing of oil rich regions.

we need oil on a stable delivery rate and a steady reasonable price, or our economies and societies *die*.

now you know that (A) i'm not high on anything right now and (B) i might have a point after all.

What point, on one hand you're blaming local leaders for allowing west, and on one hand you're praising what they have done.

So for the evils, you're saying that it's because of Muslims, but for the goods like militias will stay suppressed (not really but ok) you're saying thankyou west.

I think nothing to argue about here. You are a brick wall.

 

[PeaceGen]

Taliban were the result of CIA wanting to deal with Soviet Union via proxies, many offshoots came from this, CIA literally designed the narratives to get recruits for Taliban.

Much of these terrorist groups started off as resistance groups. These terrorist groups didn't rsndomly sprout into being out of nowhere suddenly.

Look at the state of Syria, Libya and Iraq, and Afghanistan. If this is the state, then no doubt, we are doing something seriously wrong.



I like how you shift blame and find justification as if two wrongs make a right.

Nobody has anything against true military resistance groups, like the Taliban were in the days of the soviets.
And it was only after the Taliban started attacking American targets in a massive scale (9/11 and the preceding attacks made by the Taliban onto US targets), that the US had a temporary presence in Afghanistan, to establish democratic rule that can defend itself.

But you and i both know that it's muslim oppressive doctrine that makes men want to dominate other men and women. Or enshrine themselves with King like feelings and thoughts, leading to a squeezed population that when they protest get struck down hard by a corrupt military. (Syria, beginning stages). That then external help is arranged to end the conflict, is merely humane and the best solution in a horrible situation.

Do you accept it as wrong though?

I believe the Iraqis are better off with American military presence as their ally, than with Iran as a dictating ally.

What point, on one hand you're blaming local leaders for allowing west, and on one hand you're praising what they have done.

So for the evils, you're saying that it's because of Muslims, but for the goods like militias will stay suppressed (not really but ok) you're saying thankyou west.

I think nothing to argue about here. You are a brick wall.

Troops surplusses tend to prevent violence and oppression. That's why *i* support their presence. What your vote is in the matter, is entirely up to you, of course.

 

[Lincoln]

Nobody has anything against true military resistance groups, like the Taliban were in the days of the soviets.
And it was only after the Taliban started attacking American targets in a massive scale (9/11 and the preceding attacks made by the Taliban onto US targets), that the US had a temporary presence in Afghanistan, to establish democratic rule that can defend itself.

But you and i both know that it's muslim oppressive doctrine that makes men want to dominate other men and women. Or enshrine themselves with King like feelings and thoughts, leading to a squeezed population that when they protest get struck down hard by a corrupt military. (Syria, beginning stages). That then external help is arranged to end the conflict, is merely humane and the best solution in a horrible situation.



I believe the Iraqis are better off with American military presence as their ally, than with Iran as a dictating ally.



Troops surplusses tend to prevent violence and oppression. That's why *i* support their presence. What your vote is in the matter, is entirely up to you, of course.

The short history we have, shows that these groups primarily came into being due to military intervention by foreign nations, not due to an "oppressive doctrine."

 

[PeaceGen]

The short history we have, shows that these groups primarily came into being due to military intervention by foreign nations, not due to an "oppressive doctrine."

the ISIS doctrine is ancient way of thinking, like Shia-ism of Sunni-ism is. It's one of many branches of Islam, 'translations of the Quran', and some of you are fighting for total rule over others. Many, a few, it doesn't matter because how they oppress them is always horrible. ISIS may poor a modern robe over itself to make it appear unique and new, but they're into stoning women for adultery, which is what makes them part of that branch of Islam that is most violent of them all : what's know known commonly as the ISIS-doctrine.

 

[Lincoln]

the ISIS doctrine is ancient way of thinking, like Shia-ism of Sunni-ism is. It's one of many branches of Islam, 'translations of the Quran', and some of you are fighting for total rule over others. Many, a few, it doesn't matter because how they oppress them is always horrible. ISIS may poor a modern robe over itself to make it appear unique and new, but they're into stoning women for adultery, which is what makes them part of that branch of Islam that is most violent of them all : what's know known commonly as the ISIS-doctrine.

I can't believe how firmly you're rejecting western role in propping up such groups directly or indirectly.

 

[PeaceGen]

I can't believe how firmly you're rejecting western role in propping up such groups directly or indirectly.

Have you seen the movie "Lord of War"? it would be educative for you to see it.

 

[jaibi]

I followed your exchange and I think that it goes deeper than that. It traces to our past, most of the modern world has had problems centred in two places: Africa and Asia. These two continents got the worst of the colonial power which was different from historical conquests because the cultural assimilation or subjugation of the past had leverage for the local population; however, colonialism was primarily driven for commodification of the lands as well as their people. Short cutting the natural progression towards a national identity which would have resolved the integration of various people into a singular, agreed upon, politically balanced national identity.

Once the de-colonization process was initiated it was done by people who had no interests nor any cultural heritage nor any ties to the lands and the people. A bureaucratic process for the ease of the colonial powers made some lines on the maps and then freed them after they couldn't hold on to them and many nations of Africa and Asia were born. However, they had unique problems, the identities had not been integrated because these people had never been allowed into the corridors of power for their own lands. You slept in the British Raj one day and woke up in a new country the other. The systems we adopted were originally imposed on us, our people weren't trained to use them and the post colonial period saw a lot of young nations fall to mismanagement and bad governance which lead to bad economics which lead to political fissures forming.

Naturally, tribal, religious, ethnic identities became stronger than national ones and abuse of power in a system inept to deal with them came up, fueled conflicts and led to the world we see today. The 'doctrine' that the gentleman is suggesting is again a simplification of a problem that arose due to a large number of factors accumulating over time. Such complex problems require time and sincere focus, which the 'third' world couldn't afford because of the Cold War and now because of the current myriad of problems. Simple explanations have been offered since day one. They haven't worked since day one and never would.

The short history we have, shows that these groups primarily came into being due to military intervention by foreign nations, not due to an "oppressive doctrine."

Muslims do not believe that. We're the ones fighting them. Again, sir, your notion of simplifying a political problem to 'It's because of religion' isn't true and cannot be backed up by evidence either. If that's correct then why isn't everyone donning the robes and joining them? It's very easy to form such views from the comfort of your house. The ground is a very complicated picture. You've every right to hold the views that you do but do know that they don't help anyone because they're laced with the condescence of someone who's convinced that they're right; a sad left over of the gone by days of Imperialism. If you truly wish to understand and help then, kindly, talk to the people living and fighting the conflict that you're speaking of and respect them enough to listen to them sincerely and with an open mind.

the ISIS doctrine is ancient way of thinking, like Shia-ism of Sunni-ism is. It's one of many branches of Islam, 'translations of the Quran', and some of you are fighting for total rule over others. Many, a few, it doesn't matter because how they oppress them is always horrible. ISIS may poor a modern robe over itself to make it appear unique and new, but they're into stoning women for adultery, which is what makes them part of that branch of Islam that is most violent of them all : what's know known commonly as the ISIS-doctrine.

 

[Sineva]

It sounds like all hes offering the palestinians is the zionist version of a disgusting old south african apartheid style "Homeland".
I`m actually more than a little surprised that nuttyahoo didnt just come right out and straight up call it a "homeland for the palestinians",because thats what it is and thats about as far from a genuine nation state as you can get.
You know whats obscenely funny?,just when I thought that I literally couldnt feel any greater levels of contempt or disgust for zionists and zionism,well guess what?,it turns out that I can.

 

[Trango Towers]

First they kept stealing Palestinian land through land grabbing till nothing was left. Now they are making an offer the Palestinians cannot refuse.

The Palestinians are screwed. The Arab nations don't stand with them.

No arabs left....even on pdf the arabs and their supporters are DEAD quiet

 

[GiannKall]

the ISIS doctrine is ancient way of thinking, like Shia-ism of Sunni-ism is. It's one of many branches of Islam, 'translations of the Quran', and some of you are fighting for total rule over others. Many, a few, it doesn't matter because how they oppress them is always horrible. ISIS may poor a modern robe over itself to make it appear unique and new, but they're into stoning women for adultery, which is what makes them part of that branch of Islam that is most violent of them all : what's know known commonly as the ISIS-doctrine.

ISIS is a reaction to hostile western wars. Dont have hostile western wars=Isis wont exist. Problem solved

 

[PeaceGen]

Trump’s Middle East plan forges unexpected unity in Palestinian ranks



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AMMAN: US President Donald Trump's Middle East peace plan appears to have produced an unexpected result: It has forged a tenuous unity among Palestinian politicians.
Local media reports suggested that both Hamas and the Islamic Jihad group accepted a call by President Mahmoud Abbas for a meeting of the Palestinian leadership at the presidential compound in Ramallah, in the West Bank, on Tuesday night.

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[fitpOsitive]

This is very good news i think, except for one old hawk's remarks, Abbas'.

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Netanyahu says Israel is offering Palestinians ‘conditional’ & ‘limited’ sovereignty, new capital will be at Abu Dis
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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said he is willing to offer the Palestinian people the chance of “conditional, limited sovereignty” under the peace plan proposed by US President Donald Trump.
Trump announced earlier Tuesday that the deal would see a Palestinian capital formed in East Jerusalem, while simultaneously calling the holy city Israel’s “undivided” capital.

Speaking to reporters after Trump’s comments, Netanyahu said the US recognizes Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, “by which I mean, within its fences.”

Netanyahu clarified that the proposed Palestinian capital under the peace plan will be in Abu Dis, a Palestinian neighborhood on the outskirts of the city.

“Israel is offering the Palestinians, at the end of the process, conditional, limited sovereignty,” Netanyahu said.

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Yet, as the peace plan was revealed, Netanyahu did not wait to move forward with previous plans to annex more parts of the West Bank, which he said were areas that would remain under Israeli control under the envisioned solution.

He said he would bring a proposal for applying Israeli jurisdiction to the Jordan Valley, the northern Dead Sea and West Bank settlements to his cabinet for approval, “presumably on Sunday.”

Responding to the much-hyped unveiling on Tuesday, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said the plan was a “conspiracy” and Palestinian rights are “not for sale.”


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The plan envisages a $50 billion dollar economic revival program for Palestine, but Palestinians have largely regarded it as a way for Israel and the US to bribe them into giving up their rights and accepting permanent occupation.

“I say to Trump and Netanyahu: Jerusalem is not for sale, all our rights are not for sale and are not for bargain. And your deal, the conspiracy, will not pass,” Abbas said in a TV address from the West Bank.

Don't worry Bani Israel and co, your time is also very limited.
The last thing that you will do is to Annihilate Arabs. And then the thing, that was paused by Allah some 2000 years ago, will descend on you. Allah Israelis will be killed in front of their last Prophet, Nabi Isa Bin Maryam RA. So stay tuned.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Pakistan should stay out of it. Arabs are cowards. I see them running away on US campuses when confronted by opposition, leaving Desis only to speak for Palestinian.

Plus Palestinian and Iraqi, always keep them at arm distance for your own good. They been in conflict for decades and may be that’s why their general social and moral fabric is very weak. In other words, they will F you when they see little benefit of theirs in situation.

 

[tower9]

First they kept stealing Palestinian land through land grabbing till nothing was left. Now they are making an offer the Palestinians cannot refuse.

The Palestinians are screwed. The Arab nations don't stand with them.

This is essentially a document of surrender, not a peace plan. Trump and the Israelis know that the Palestinians have no other options. They have no power and the other Arabs who are always backstabbing each other, have abandoned them. Of course it's not fair, but they have no power so why should the Israelis give them more? Israel won't ever give back what they've taken when they don't need to. If the Palestinians want it back, they will have to fight for it and win, which won't ever happen.

This is why this situation will continue indefinitely and the next several generations of Palestinians will still live in occupation/resistance mode.

Pakistan should stay out of it. Arabs are cowards. I see them running away on US campuses when confronted by opposition, leaving Desis only to speak for Palestinian.

Plus Palestinian and Iraqi, always keep them at arm distance for your own good. They been in conflict for decades and may be that’s why their general social and moral fabric is very weak. In other words, they will F you when they see little benefit of theirs in situation.

Arabs are truly cowardly and two faced yet they are extremely self-righteous and think they are the supreme race when they have nothing to back it up. With all of the Arab nations that exist, it's funny that the most powerful Muslim nations with a backbone are all non-Arab, Iran, Pakistan, Turkey.

If I was Pakistani, Iranian or Turkish, I'd stay the **** away from it. Do your own thing. You don't have to establish ties with Israel but let them do their thing. Even the Palestinians' own cowardly, two faced Arab cousins won't help them so why should other Muslim countries sacrifice their own well being to help them. Look at how fucked Iran is because they are meddling in things they don't have to be doing.

 

[8888888888888]

Sound like one of those treaty that USA gives to Native American Indians and than breaks them when it’s convenient or if the land is worthless.