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Need of F16 Block 60 in PAF

HELLO BUDDY
It is not the matter of EFT or the J31 or the Su 35 or F-16 blk 60 first question is
1 what will be the ROLE. Either for the air superiority, ground attack, Interceptor or the multirole.
2. Price ?
3. Against whom ?

hello to you to.

1 what will be the ROLE. Either for the air superiority, ground attack, Interceptor or the multirole?
you got to ask you self, what are weapons used for? why does india have the su30 mki. to protect it self. duhh!
specific roles would include: heavy bombing, long range strikes, interceptions, patrolling/guarding assets thats quiet remote

2. Price ?
the j31 price is unknown. but i think around about $75 million the at high end would be a good price per unit.

3. Against whom ?
seriously, who is it going to use it against. definatly not india thats for sure. i know who for, militants. but thats not going to work either. at the rate terrorism is declining the j31 will be to late for the job.


the eft, su35, f16-blk60 are not going to happen. i can foresee the j31 being built in Pakistan to replace the f16 but it will be inducted in larger numbers than the f16 i.e. more than 76.

gotta admit the j31 looks gorgeous
Chinese FC-31J-31 (6).jpg


You guys honestly deserve it. Block 60s,.. some guy going around posting off facebook pages on tank trials..
No wonder Shiekh Chilley was Pakistani.
i thought those images were removed a while ago.
 
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Hope our relation improves with U. S.A . We should Try to get f18 super hornets from Australia as they already ordered 72 F35s.
This is first flight of Australia in F35 "2014 video".


Australian F18s


Australia just recently bought F18 , so chance for sale is very less..
 
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Australia just recently bought F18 , so chance for sale is very less..

I wouldn't suggest F-18's for a country like Pakistan with budget / financial issues. If that's what they want, I'd suggest J-11B with upgraded avionics and 4-6 multi-target capability vs. 2 at a time. They'll get a much better a bang for the buck.

But if they can, swallow the bitter pill once and get SU-35's of J-16's as they use similar advanced capability. If they have a few billion "laying around", just do a one time TOT for J-31, and standardized the future platform to single engine JFT block III (Stealthy airframe based on J-31 tech) and J-31 twin engine. And that's it. By the time these planes get older.....the time would call for their replacement with Hypersonic drones.
 
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So many people are talking about SU-35 here, is there any slightest chance of getting it for PAF
Considering the fact we have to take it from Russia...
 
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@Oscar...you're the best fisherman of this forum :rofl:

Sir, also bear in mind that sir we also need to have 5 squadrons of PAK-FA for TURAF..sir

A-380 EW :rofl:
 
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The negotiation issue has existed pretty much throughout the entire history of Pakistan. I've written about it in many places. Because the negotiations are a civilian and democratic traits, and there has been little time with democracy in Pakistan, these institutions haven't been built.

The history of Pakistan shows you serious examples of where lack of negotiation and communication was evident. People are too short tempered. If a politicians doesn't seem to be working out, let's take the entire system out. This is very extreme. Same thing in politicians. IK doesn't like NS, let's start a campaign with no logic and do sit ins that damage the entire country. Not trying to bring in politics here but just making a point that negotiation skills don't exist. Overtime these will be developed. The Indians can negotiate the living out of anything. That's because they've always stayed inside a system where people discussed their things out in the Parliament (nasty or polite, that's a different story).

Another example is post 911, when Mushy was asked to cooperate, he had no choice. So obviously the decision was right. BUT, unlike a civilian government, he couldn't tell the US that look, we'll support you all the way. But please give us a month to make sure we assess the situation and tell a case to our voters; and tell you (the US) also, what would we need to support you.
A month after (similar to what happened with the Yemen situation), you go to the parliament, you build a case, and you assess damages. Ask the US politely that we are with you all the way. But will you also help us as a partner and get rid of all of our debt so we have a better chance at the future? Oh and btw, per year cost to support you, in addition to forgiving / paying off our national debt, will be $ 1 or 2 billion a year and here is the breakdown in a list, and another number to rebuild FATA with schools, universities and all so NOT to repeat the Mujahedeen drama and to be able to brainwsh these crazy people from the Talibans and put them to work, and jobs through the investments.

Its simple, black and white, shows Pakistan's willingness to help the US, and also outlined the fact that Pakistan wants a better future so the debt should go away, and that there will be expenses to support the US. Which is obviously expected.

This would only happen if there was a civilian rule. But because Mushy wasn't used to negotiations, he made the decision on one phone call and life moved forward.

Now fast forward to the topic, with the Arabs, the SAME situation. Pakistan did a pact with them to defend them. That's HUGE. But how do you defend someone when their opponents, say Israel for example, (although I don't consider them an opponent anymore), flies everything top tier from F-15's, F-16's and now soon to be inducted, the JSF??? Iran will be buying top tier jets the second sanctions are lifted!!!

So, someone needed to tell the Saudis that to defend you, we need modern warfare. We are not asking you to buy us EFT's or F-15's, but how about invest a couple of billions into the JFT program and buy some as a second tier, light combat fighter, and help us with your connections with the French in getting advanced avionics and missiles for the plane.
Imagine where this program would be if that had happened in 2010!! So I agree, the negotiation skills are not there yet. However, these should be built incrementally and get stronger as leaders start to hash their issues out in the Parliament and tell (and show with example) their vote bank to have patience, even if things aren't going in their favor. Tolerance is the key. You turn a nation to resolve issues inside their parliament, you've killed majority of the violence, whether social, political, ethnic or sectarian.
Because people learn to live with others and opposite opinion and discuss things out, and accept a difference of opinion.
I fully agree with the gist of your post. The difference between a popular pllitical system and an autocrat could not have been highlighted better than the Mushy era. Any haalf decent politician would have gotten so much more out of it not only in financial terms but also in the rhetoric that was used.
Araz
 
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You are Kafir for saying that.

the PAF needs 4 squadrons of F-16 Block 61 and two of F-16XL(lockheed martin must restart production line) and 5 squadrons of EFT with 4 of Gripen along with PN having six of Su-35 and Mig-35 each.. We also need to buy ten squadrons of J-10B and C along with replacing all Allouettes with NH-90 and Sea king with EH-101. For 5th gen we need to buy 15 squadrons of J-31 along with working with Turkey to buy ten squadrons of their TFX.

Finally we need 4 more Erieye and 6 more ZDK along with A-380 AEW doing JV with Belarus.
You forgot the laser guided solar powered satellite flamethrowers.
 
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You are Kafir for saying that.

the PAF needs 4 squadrons of F-16 Block 61 and two of F-16XL(lockheed martin must restart production line) and 5 squadrons of EFT with 4 of Gripen along with PN having six of Su-35 and Mig-35 each.. We also need to buy ten squadrons of J-10B and C along with replacing all Allouettes with NH-90 and Sea king with EH-101. For 5th gen we need to buy 15 squadrons of J-31 along with working with Turkey to buy ten squadrons of their TFX.

Finally we need 4 more Erieye and 6 more ZDK along with A-380 AEW doing JV with Belarus.
and then eat mud for 100 years
 
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PAFs current requirements are being fulfilled with b52 and future is JFT + existing block 52s and additional 5th gen Chinese / Russian fighters with TOT.

With the sanctions involved even with block 52s. procuring more new block 52s or block 60 is a bad idea specially when there is higher price tag and strict inspections are involved.

JFT - B III will definitely provide the most of the advantages of block 60
Its sanction free + more room for modernization is there even we can also export and earn money and can also go for jft b-IV which will be definitely advanced than even block 60.

Lets compare the JFT b III and f16 block 60

1 ) Aesa Radar => blk 60 YES JFT blk III YES
2 ) BVR => blk 60 YES JFT blk III YES
3 ) JSOM => blk 60 NO as we dont have US made JSOM JFT blk III YES with Raad, h2, h4
4 ) Naval Attack => blk 60 YES 160km Harpoo ,JFT blk III YES 250 KM+ c802 and Hypersonic 250KM +CM400
12 ) SEAD / anti radiation attack => blk 60 YES 60-100 KM ,JFT YES 100KM
9 ) Deeper and Heavy ground strikes => blk 60 >> JFT
12 ) Maintenance and spare => blk 60 ~ NO ,JFT YES
10 ) Turn around time => blk 60 >> JFT
5 ) TOT => blk 60 NO WAY ,JFT blk III YES
6 ) Future modernization => blk 60 NO ,JFT blk III YES
7 ) Revenue through export => blk 60 NO WAY ,JFT blk III YES for sure
8 ) Operational and upgradation cost => blk 60 >> JFT blk III
11 ) Sanctions and political influence => blk 60 YES ,JFT NO


so JFT is the clear winner in almost all the capabilities.

Most welcome for the comments :)
 
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While we are at it that is making castles and khayali palaoos

Why stop at blk 60s. We should start seriously pondering about investing in a Space Force. I mean seriously
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well space force is a far cry even for US , Russia and China. We should focus on whats the current trend and need. and JFT is the best answer + some 4.5/5th gen crafts in near future.
Our main foe is India and PAF currently capable of handling them. with more JFTs it will be a potent force and it will require the 5th gen once India get the 5th gen and IMO it will take atleast next 7 to 10 year and by that time JFTs will be fully inducted and PAF will also have matured platform options and funds as well.
 
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Guys Please let's try to be realistic here. Block 52's are the way forward because they provide best bang for the buck. Try to get as much of them as possible
 
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