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Nawaz shareef hints at Army behind protest

The army overthrew an ineffective govt. in 1999.....they did that without giving off mere scents or trying to create "upheavals" of any kind (the nation supported it)

in this case, if the Army wanted to they wouldve de-throned him rest-assured. Many Pakistanis again are in favour of that. Only this time the Army is telling the people on both spectrums to sort out their mess, only playing a mediatory role when possible. Army has more important things to focus on like safeguarding and keeping an eye on things on the border on 2 fronts - north and the east

It's reassuring to see that the army has matured as an institution of this State and clearly demarcated, for itself, the limits within which it has resolved to operate. Our memories are prone to forgetfulness, but if I recall correctly there is a law barring any serving army official from openly interacting or engaging with a member of any political party. The exact operational sphere and jurisdiction the law is fleeting me presently but I will be sure to share it when I bring my head around it.
 
I believe politicians will have to blame themselves cause Army is time and again telling them to find solution within themselves. If they cannot find it then army is not to be blamed secondly this drama cannot be allowed to prolong there has be an end cause agitators can go violent due to their own frustration or any mishandling by the government. Finally government has engaged them very late after their long visit of KSA, eid vacations at Nathia Galu and final weekend till 3 Aug at Jati Umra. They just can't blame army or anyone else for their indecisiveness or being nincompoop.
 
Well another fall of democracy In Pakistan soon it will confirmed.I was sure about it after I saw gen Hamid gul I protest standing with kadri and imraan khan

It may not be the "fall" like the martial law B.S. all of us are used to seeing. Military IMO will let NS continue the government. However, the other poster below your post is right, the Military will take over the Afghan and India based policies. They never like NS's stance on India-Pak relations, and if the true peace is achieved....what's the reason for a poor country like Pak to have such a large army? It'll take another two civilian governments to change peacefully and the economy to boost. Once everyone sees the power of a better life, all this military drama will be pushed to the side automatically.
However, the IK is a loser, he's done as a politician, that's for sure. Even the military doesn't trust him. They are using his grandiosity and lack of sense as a pawn. Soon, he'll be history. People can see through lying and B.S after a while.
 
It may not be the "fall" like the martial law B.S. all of us are used to seeing. Military IMO will let NS continue the government. However, the other poster below your post is right, the Military will take over the Afghan and India based policies. They never like NS's stance on India-Pak relations, and if the true peace is achieved....what's the reason for a poor country like Pak to have such a large army? It'll take another two civilian governments to change peacefully and the economy to boost. Once everyone sees the power of a better life, all this military drama will be pushed to the side automatically.
However, the IK is a loser, he's done as a politician, that's for sure. Even the military doesn't trust him. They are using his grandiosity and lack of sense as a pawn. Soon, he'll be history. People can see through lying and B.S after a while.

I would not call IK a loser. He was a very useful pawn that did its job as designed, very successfully.
 


Those who have weak eyesight:

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Now feel some shame all of you Army bashers, including Sir Shareef
 
We, as Indians on PDF apologize for India indirectly being a reason for messing up Pakistan's fragile democracy. :)
 
We, as Indians on PDF apologize for India indirectly being a reason for messing up Pakistan's fragile democracy. :)

Oh fuck off. Hahah. If this is had to be about India then it would have been in the news.
 
Oh fuck off. Hahah. If this is had to be about India then it would have been in the news.

Indians love to praise and pat themselves on the back for no reason and for the most lamest reasons. Don't spoil it for the kid bro.
 
It's already in the news. :D

Tu salaa teeli hai, army refused to get involved. So it is for the best. Plus nothing is gonna happen to Noora. The rally wont have the effects wanted.

Had army wanted him removed , he would be in his palace in Jeddah by now.
 
I don't buy this story that the army is behind IK and Qadri, nor do I believe that the army is trying to commit a coup. I don't for one second believe anything will occur. The complete support for a vast majority of both major and minor parties in Pakistan has proven one thing, no one wants NS to resign or be taken out of power. The army will not be able to do such a thing, neither the public, nor the judiciary will tolerate such an extra-constitutional act.
Nowhere has it been implied that the Army is looking to do a coup. Everyone knows this as well.

What has been said by numerous sources is that Army is looking to cut Nawaz's power to size so that he does not interfere in what has been PA's traditional job of foreign policy on India, Afghanistan and US. Nawaz was trying to take that back to the GoP...and PA does not like it.

It may not be the "fall" like the martial law B.S. all of us are used to seeing. Military IMO will let NS continue the government. However, the other poster below your post is right, the Military will take over the Afghan and India based policies. They never like NS's stance on India-Pak relations, and if the true peace is achieved....what's the reason for a poor country like Pak to have such a large army? It'll take another two civilian governments to change peacefully and the economy to boost. Once everyone sees the power of a better life, all this military drama will be pushed to the side automatically.
However, the IK is a loser, he's done as a politician, that's for sure. Even the military doesn't trust him. They are using his grandiosity and lack of sense as a pawn. Soon, he'll be history. People can see through lying and B.S after a while.
I agree with you here.
It will take another 2 proper transfer of power of civilian govts for the Civilian Govt to become secure enough and accumulate enough stability to cut the PA's political influence down and limit it to its constitutional mandate.
 
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Tu salaa teeli hai, army refused to get involved. So it is for the best. Plus nothing is gonna happen to Noora. The rally wont have the effects wanted.

Had army wanted him removed , he would be in his palace in Jeddah by now.

What's happening is a soft coup, and one can guess the reasons behind it, teri akal ithni develop nahin huyi hai ke tu thodi si complicated moves samaj sake.

Nowhere has it been implied that the Army is looking to do a coup. Everyone knows this as well.

What has been said by numerous sources is that Army is looking to cut Nawaz's power to size so that he does not interfere in what has been PA's traditional job of foreign policy on India, Afghanistan and US. Nawaz was trying to take that back to the GoP...and PA does not like it.


I agree with you here.
It will take another 2 proper transfer of power of civilian govts for the Civilian Govt to become secure enough and accumulate enough stability to cut the PA's political influence down and limit it to its constitutional mandate.

Imran Khan and Qadri are not a party to the Charter of Democracy a pact signed by the two main parties PML N and PPP in 2006 which deemed that nothing should be done to provide an opportunity to the Army to derail democracy. Charter of Democracy ensured that Sharif did not intervene when Mr Zardari’s government was in trouble with the Army from time to time when in power from 2008 - 2013. The newer parties PTI and PAT have no such understanding and are thus willing to stake democracy at the altar of their own ambitions.

For now the Pakistan Army has clarified that it is not looking at a coup. However it is amply clear that the military is supporting the two dissidents and a new form of control of polity through back seat driving by GHQ from Rawalpindi may be taking form.

Proponents of the hypothesis of military control site the retired ISI chief controversial Lt Gen Ahmad Shuja Pasha being behind the movement. Pasha had tried to upstage the Zardari government stoking up the controversial Memogate but fell out in the bargain. A protégé of former Army Chief Pervez Ashraf Kiyani, Pasha’s hand is seen behind the present political movement. A report in the News International claims that on 02 August, Shuja Pasha held an in camera meeting for two hours and twenty minutes with PTI leader and party MNA from Lahore, Shafqat Mehmood. Pasha is said to be the creator of PTI in his tenure as DG ISI. These reports have not been confirmed.

The Army’s 111 Infantry Brigade is deployed in Islamabad for security. As the PTI and PAT workers closed in on the parliament, Director General (DG) Inter-Service Public Relations (ISPR) Major General Asim Bajwa tweeted on 20 April for respect of state symbols and dialogue in, “larger national and public interest”.

Many believe that the current situation may be the outcome of recent differences between Nawaz Sharif and the Pakistan Army. The Army was not comfortable with Mr Sharif’s visit to Delhi on 26 May for oath taking ceremony of Mr Narendra Modi and was believed to be a reluctant proponent of the same. Now that the foreign secretary talks on 25 August between India and Pakistan have fizzled out, the Pak military may have proved it s point to Mr Sharif. Knowing strong business interests of the Sharif family, the military also wants to contain trade initiatives such as MFN status to India, for this the Army has to ensure full control over the PMO in Islamabad.

Sharif has also been propagating a policy of non interference in Kabul; however recent security forays in Afghanistan by the Afghan Taliban reportedly supported by Pakistani agencies denote overall intent of Pak GHQ controlling the Southern and Eastern halves of that country through the rebels. The Afghans have played into this hand by flawed elections which have seen massive fraud, providing the Taliban an active role in destabilsiing the provinces possibly followed by political interjection. Marginalizing Sharif on this front was important.

The military’s change of approach came about when Sharif first nominated a Defence Minister Khawaja Asif, who was not acceptable to the Army and who has come out openly questioning the military from time to time.

The last straw is believed to be the decision to deny former Army Chief and President Pervez Musharraf an exit. Army Chief General Raheel Sharif and ISI Chief Lieutenant-General Zaheer-ul-Islam are reported to have flown to Islamabad in a helicopter when they heard that a decision to the contrary was taken by the PML N brass, yet could not persuade Sharif otherwise.

Sharif’s opening negotiations with the TTP and favouring the Geo News in a tiff with the ISI are said to be other reasons for military disillusionment with the PML N.

Whatever be the outcome of the present standoff, the military has driven home the point that it will not budge from India and Afghanistan policy and an exit for General Musharraf may be another demand.

As attempts are made for dialogue between the Sharif brothers and PTI/PAT, what the current movement will achieve may thus depend on what the objectives of the Army are, as of now these are as indicated to regain control of policy that has been usurped by Mr Sharif; related to engagement with India, management of Afghanistan post 2014 and dealing with Tehreek Taliban Pakistan and other groups.

While the traditional political parties have supported Sharif as the National Assembly has passed a resolution rejecting the demands of PTI and PAT on 21 August, by creating alternate political pressure points and subverting the Charter of Democracy, Pakistan military may have established new patterns of control over the polity. Thus the first democratic transformation of May 2013 may have been an illusion at best.
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Those who have weak eyesight:

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Now feel some shame all of you Army bashers, including Sir Shareef

Now, I believe Army+ISI are definitely involves, ISI more rigorously.

The plan was that

Army top command would stay neutral throughout the crisis.

Only Intervene decisively when things rightly cocked up by ISI once & for all

The June Incident in which 14 Qadri's men dies was erupt spontaneously and not in the original plan.

This incident caution PMLN Govt of perpetual conspiracies behinds its rule.

Therefore, when 14th August came PMLN trades very carefully and didn't allow PTI+PAT any other corps they and ISI begging to stir things up beyond control. If once that happens Other Parties, specially MQM than Jamat & PPP had to jumps in the bandwagon of PTI+PAT the moment more deaths occurs post 14th. Once there was a clear divides occurs in democratic forces public opinion too tilted to ask NS to resign and if Nawaz resisted than Army General would intervene only at that moment decisively.

This whole plan was error free except the God given Incident of June, which allows PMLNs to revise its policy and confront conspirators in their own language.
 
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