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India may explore the possibility of leasing a few kilo-class submarines from Russia, government sources said.

With the INS Sindhurakshak likely to be written off, the navy’s submarine arm will be left with just 13 conventional submarines — two of which are under repair.

And most of them have lived 75% of their operational life.

A navy official said scaling up the capabilities of the submarine fleet was a priority and “all available options” would be explored.


Leasing new submarines from Russia would ultimately be a politico-commercial decision, officials said.

“The navy should lease at least two conventional submarines from Russia as building or buying more may take a lot of time,” former navy chief admiral Arun Prakash said.

The navy’s underwater capabilities are currently at a highly precarious state.

It will be left with merely seven to eight submarines, including a nuclear attack submarine leased from Russia, INS Chakra, in the coming years, as it will phase out the older Russian kilo-class and German HDW Type 209 submarines.

Submarine-induction in the navy has been fraught with time and cost overruns.

Had the government adhered to the original capacity building plan cleared in 1999, the navy should have inducted 12 new conventional submarines by now and an equal number by 2030.

“The last of the submarines of the Sindhugosh-class was inducted in 1999-2000. This shows a big lacuna on part of the government in assessing the situation,” said Commodore (retired) C Uday Bhaskar, one of the country’s leading defence and strategic experts.

Strategic experts claimed that the government was obsessed with designing landbased plans to counter India’s neighbours instead of focusing on the navy.

This despite the fact that the Indian Navy is required to undertake the task of not only protecting the 7,500km-long coastline, but also more than 1,200 islands, and 2.2 million square kilometres of exclusive economic zone (EEZ).

“The Indian Navy is more like a Cinderella Service. It paid a heavy price, because of the inability of bureaucrats and politicians to arrive at the right strategic assessment,” said Bhaskar.
 
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most of the kilo in Russian inventory is older than Indian Kilos...they have 17,don't know if they can lease us 2-3 subs...we should tie up with Russia to make future conventional subs..at least they offered this..don't know why morons in delhi didn't respond against it..a good opportunity is gone,just like joing Indo-Israel drone development..
 
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most of the kilo in Russian inventory is older than Indian Kilos...they have 17,don't know if they can lease us 2-3 subs...we should tie up with Russia to make future conventional subs..at least they offered this..don't know why morons in delhi didn't respond against it..a good opportunity is gone,just like joing Indo-Israel drone development..

Money is going for this, samjha karo yaar.

Name: Arihant (अरिहंत:)
Builders: Hindustan Shipyard Limited
Operators: Indian Navy EnsignIndian Navy
Succeeded by: Arihant follow-on submarine
In commission: 2014– (est.)
Building: 3
Planned: 4
Completed: 1 (sea trials)

Arihant follow-on submarine
Operators: Indian Navy
Preceded by: Arihant class submarine
Building: 1-2
Planned: 7-9
 
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Money is going for this, samjha karo yaar.

Name: Arihant (अरिहंत:)
Builders: Hindustan Shipyard Limited
Operators: Indian Navy EnsignIndian Navy
Succeeded by: Arihant follow-on submarine
In commission: 2014– (est.)
Building: 3
Planned: 4
Completed: 1 (sea trials)

Arihant follow-on submarine
Operators: Indian Navy
Preceded by: Arihant class submarine
Building: 1-2
Planned: 7-9

but these aren't conventional attack subs..is it??we need conventional attack subs..P-75 and P-75I is fine..but they are coming way after when needed..India has TOT of Scorpene..but we know that India will barely apply that within a decade to make subs..SSN is fine..but that will come atleast 1-2 decades later..
 
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Forget about it- 17 year old RUSSIAN subs are not the way to go! Exercise the options for 3 more P-75 and fast track the P-75I procurement. Build on knowledge from SSBN ARIHANT CLASS and devlop SSN and SSK in-house (long term objective).
Navy needs replacement now , all the options u mentioned will yield brand new submarine by 2018-19 only.Navy must look to lease akula class nuclear submarine.
 
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but these aren't conventional attack subs..is it??we need conventional attack subs..P-75 and P-75I is fine..but they are coming way after when needed..India has TOT of Scorpene..but we know that India will barely apply that within a decade to make subs..SSN is fine..but that will come atleast 1-2 decades later..

Nuclear is baap of diesel subs. Akula II 2nd coming shortly by 2019/2020(refit time). Scorpene delivery sept 2016, after P75I RFP signed sept 2013, deal sign 2015, delivery 2019/2020. Big decade ahead. Best of luck IN and MLD,CSL,etc. :tup:
 
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Forget about it- 17 year old RUSSIAN subs are not the way to go! Exercise the options for 3 more P-75 and fast track the P-75I procurement. Build on knowledge from SSBN ARIHANT CLASS and devlop SSN and SSK in-house (long term objective).

one question we are inducting a Lot of ASW platforms right now P8i many Frigates
so can't navy wait till 2018-2019 for new subs to arrive
Leasing Old Russian subs seems like a bad idea to me & it is not like we are going to war tomorrow
 
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one question we are inducting a Lot of ASW platforms right now P8i many Frigates
so can't navy wait till 2018-2019 for new subs to arrive
Leasing Old Russian subs seems like a bad idea to me & it is not like we are going to war tomorrow

The ONLY reason I could understand this would be to keep enough sub crews up to the mark in the short term as beyond 2020 the IN's sub fleet will be growing considerably across the board (SSKs, SSNs and SSBNs).
 
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one question we are inducting a Lot of ASW platforms right now P8i many Frigates
so can't navy wait till 2018-2019 for new subs to arrive
Leasing Old Russian subs seems like a bad idea to me & it is not like we are going to war tomorrow

Many operations can be performed only by submarines. ASW platforms will ensure deterrent against submarines. INS Sindhurakshak is navy's frontline submarine , it will hurt operational capability of IN.
 
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This is the best viable option as of today for Indian navy
 
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