Navy may lease Kilo-class subs from Russia

[JohnyD]

well you are right . in fact too much corruption in SUB deals . Augusta deal was same too . but i think they should stick on new now as getting on lease kilo will never do anything . why don't india made its own conventional AIP subs ?

Conventional Subs with AIP is very exclusive tech, India as of now does not possess it and intends to achieve it only via P-75i program…you know, lately due to indigenous awareness and emphasis, almost all Indian defence establishments are running out of capacity…We are too big as a nation surrounded by immense expectations, aspirations and challenges…everything cannot be made at home, like in life, we do need a partner to live a successful life.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Cost - not an issue on follow on order.

Configuration - cant be change in follow on order or we have to pay for changes. If i am not wrong last two scorpions are supposed to come with AIP so the said changes are available and already talked though. So nit going to be a big deal

Timeline : non of our shipyards can keep better timeline so doesn't matter. Say 3 years for 3 Subs.

Bro I'm not saying any of these issues will be an issue but that getting the framework in place will be time consuming as all sides will have to sit down and hammer it out which always takes longer than we on the outside think it should take.

 

[Sergi]

Bro I'm not saying any of these issues will be an issue but that getting the framework in place will be time consuming as all sides will have to sit down and hammer it out which always takes longer than we on the outside think it should take.

AFAIK the follow on was already on route. This accident might put it on fast track. That might be the sole good thing out of this tragedy

+ Do you know any status on Yaseen class ??? I am 100% sure Russians will do their best to avoid any effects of this accident on P-75I

 

[Abingdonboy]

AFAIK the follow on was already on route. This accident might put it on fast track. That might be the sole good thing out of this tragedy

Agreed but AFAIK the follow-on 3 were set to be built only after the first batch of 6 were complete and were set to be built in India. There wasn't much talk of construction in India before this.

 

[Sergi]

Agreed but AFAIK the follow-on 3 were set to be built only after the first batch of 6 were complete and were set to be built in India. There wasn't much talk of construction in India before this.

+ Do you know any status on Yaseen class ??? I am 100% sure Russians will do their best to avoid any effects of this accident on P-75I

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...e-kilo-class-subs-russia-4.html#ixzz2cLTEyC8S

what do you think of this. ??? Russians got unwanted publicity. They might sweeten things

 

[Abingdonboy]

+ Do you know any status on Yaseen class ??? I am 100% sure Russians will do their best to avoid any effects of this accident on P-75I

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...e-kilo-class-subs-russia-4.html#ixzz2cLTEyC8S

what do you think of this. ??? Russians got unwanted publicity. They might sweeten things

I don't think the Russians have a chance in the P-75I project.

 

[Sergi]

I don't think the Russians have a chance in the P-75I project.

IN's love for Sub launched Brahmos give them more than a chance. But they will have to offer their best and some extra Nuclear lease cocktail

 

[Abingdonboy]

IN's love for Sub launched Brahmos give them more than a chance. But they will have to offer their best and some extra Nuclear lease cocktail

I think the Europeans (excluding Russians obviously) are favoured over the Amur. The Bhramos sub-launched variant will be present on which ever sub wins not the Amur alone.

 

[Sergi]

I think the Europeans (excluding Russians obviously) are favoured over the Amur. The Bhramos sub-launched variant will be present on which ever sub wins not the Amur alone.

I am not saying only Russians can do that but only Russians will give us N-Sub so it might get settled out of tender. Still lets see

Whats your guess on P-75I ???

 

[Dillinger]

@Abingdonboy The news is indeed fallacious. There is no scope for leasing a conventional diesel electric submarine. Furthermore, IF the MOD has any sense, the Kilo class submarines should be avoided at all costs. The Indian Navy has repeatedly asserted that it has received a far better performance from the HDW Type-209 class submarines in comparison to the operational capabilities of the Kilo subs. Not to mention that we had acquired the complete know how and know why with regard to the HDW submarine. The 209-1500 variant which is in service with the IN has undergone upgrades bringing its combat management suite and electronic components roughly on par with the Type-214 submarines. Furthermore ThyssenKrupp's modular AIP add-on solution is quite fantastic, specifically since existing Type-209 submarines can be configured with the AIP module during any regular major overhaul itself or right from the manufacturing phase for new built submarines. A few points worth mentioning here are that the HDW AIP is designed to be extremely silent, has nearly negligible exhaust gas byproducts and operates without any deterioration in the submarine's signature masking capabilities irrespective of diving pressure . As such a expedited sanctioning wrt manufacturing Type-209 submarines at MDL along with the various features which formed a part of the previous upgrades in the Shishumar Class submarines and the AIP module being integrated in the manufacturing phase itself would be the most beneficial bet in terms of time consumed, cost and indigenous development. Furthermore it will allow us to create a sustained ecology of suppliers in the form of MSMEs wrt conventional submarine manufacturing. Bare in mind that valuable experience gained wrt submarine manufacturing was lost by MDL when the decision was taken to stop the manufacturing of any additional Type-209 subs and the Kilo sub were purchased subsequently. Although this is, unfortunately, the least likely option to be exercised given that we have sat on the complete ToT (compete ToT of a major product like this being a rare enough occurrence in itself) for these platforms for over tow decades now, which is particularly sad given the fact that these subs are still very much contemporary in terms of design and capabilities.

The second option, the most likely one, would be to let things be as they are. Continue with the Scorpene project and force the IN to handle the depletion of the sub surface fleet till the numbers can be replenished through the P-75 and its follow on initiative.

As such, lastly, an expedited purchase of an additional Kilo submarine is possible but highly counterproductive since it will not particularly help given the current situation regardless of how big a loss the current accident has been.

 

[TopCat]

I think its only the India which lease war machine in the world..

what to say.. when millions are dying of hunger and they are busy leasing submarine.. and for what??? show off???

Guys, do you pay insurance for that submarine!! after the bombay incident your premium gonna be real high..

 

[ApparentRaceTraitor]

I think its only the India which lease war machine in the world..

what to say.. when millions are dying of hunger and they are busy leasing submarine.. and for what??? show off???

Guys, do you pay insurance for that submarine!! after the bombay incident your premium gonna be real high..

 

[Sergi]

I think its only the India which lease war machine in the world..

what to say.. when millions are dying of hunger and they are busy leasing submarine.. and for what??? show off???

Guys, do you pay insurance for that submarine!! after the bombay incident your premium gonna be real high..

Dont think. That's something you are not capable of as you didn't have a required body part for that.
And try not to comment on something on that you dont know. If you still wish I can give you a list of countries that lease many things from other countries.
Just giving a US example since you are a Bangladeshi living in US
Gotland-class submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 2004, the Swedish government received a request from the United States of America to lease HMS Gotland – Swedish-flagged, commanded and manned, for a duration of one year for use in anti-submarine warfare exercises. The Swedish government granted this request in October 2004, with both navies signing a memorandum of understanding on March 21, 2005.[5][6] The lease was extended for another 12 months in 2006.[7][8][9] In July 2007, HMS Gotland departed San Diego for Sweden.[10]

 

[Abingdonboy]

I am not saying only Russians can do that but only Russians will give us N-Sub so it might get settled out of tender. Still lets see

Whats your guess on P-75I ???

Bro the deal for the leasing of the second Akula is entirely unrelated to the P-75I deal/Russian offer. As this is NOT a govt-govt deal but an OPEN tender there is zero scope for such "sweeteners"/side deals. The 2nd Akula will be leased IMHO by the IN but will have no baring on the P-75I.

I think the elongated Scorpene with AIP and Bhramos launch capabilty is a pretty sound bet for the P-75I- IMHO.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I think its only the India which lease war machine in the world..

what to say.. when millions are dying of hunger and they are busy leasing submarine.. and for what??? show off???

Guys, do you pay insurance for that submarine!! after the bombay incident your premium gonna be real high..

What nonsense are you talking about? This is very common around the world- here in the UK the A330 MRTTs aren't even owned by the RAF FFS! They are owned by a pvt consortium and leased to the RAF!

The only things India leases are SSNs and this is for very specific reasons. This news about leasing SSKs is pure BS.