Naval ships to be added to Bangladesh Navy by 2013

[Ideas_R_Bulletproof]

Give it time.... this is BN's first real expansion since 1983..... 1984-2008 had been the quiet period.... bigger ships should follow after all of the initial stop-gaps are acquired..... but for littoral battleground like the Bay of Bengal, more reliance would be on smaller corvette-size ships for escort duties, that is a certainty.....

i think BD navy need 1 or 2-3 destroyers and 2 mordern frigates.

 

[eastwatch]

Give it time.... this is BN's first real expansion since 1983..... 1984-2008 had been the quiet period.... bigger ships should follow after all of the initial stop-gaps are acquired..... but for littoral battleground like the Bay of Bengal, more reliance would be on smaller corvette-size ships for escort duties, that is a certainty.....

That's right. This is why, after BN produces the next three small Khulna Class OPVs, it will produce two Corvettes in Khulna Shipyard. Once BN has the required know how and technology there will be more home built Corvettes, no doubt.

But, I hear that BN will also produce Frigates with Chinese assistance after it is experienced with Corvettes. BN started with small FACs, now it is building OPVs, the next phase is Corvettes and yet the next is Frigates. We are raising our stake gradually. Destroyers are not very far, I believe.

 

[Nike]

That's right. This is why, after BN produces the next three small Khulna Class OPVs, it will produce two Corvettes in Khulna Shipyard. Once BN has the required know how and technology there will be more home built Corvettes, no doubt.

But, I hear that BN will also produce Frigates with Chinese assistance after it is experienced with Corvettes. BN started with small FACs, now it is building OPVs, the next phase is Corvettes and yet the next is Frigates. We are raising our stake gradually. Destroyers are not very far, I believe.

How about the price tag the Chinese offered to you guys for their Type 056 Corvette?

 

[Ideas_R_Bulletproof]

this is exactly the same approach of the Army as well as the Air Force..... if you look closely, you'll find that the Army is trying to establish plants where APCs would refurbished..... such a plant would help grow the backward linkage industries very quickly.... and hopefully this would also help other corporates to get involved in vehicle manufacturing business (as there is backward linkage available)..... the BAF has got their new Aeronautical Center ISO-certified, and are looking to refurbish planes from other countries..... such an experience would also help develop backward linkage..... the BN is following the same footsteps, although the potential of overall Bangladesh shipbuilding industry is much more than the other two (Army and BAF) mentioned above.....

one little correction..... the new Padma-class is a coastal patrol boat, not an OPV..... OPVs are usually larger so that it can stay at sea for at least two weeks or longer.... Padma can do this for 7 days only..... anyway, thats not a big issue.... larger ships are just a matter of time.... do you know that Western Marine built a tourist boat for Chittagong Boat Club, which is a catamaran design?...... thats the first catamaran built in BD.... and Ananda Shipyard built BN's first underway replenishment tanker, which is another plus.... privates are also craving for BN jobs.... potential is just tremendous..... just a bit of time needed, that is....

That's right. This is why, after BN produces the next three small Khulna Class OPVs, it will produce two Corvettes in Khulna Shipyard. Once BN has the required know how and technology there will be more home built Corvettes, no doubt.

But, I hear that BN will also produce Frigates with Chinese assistance after it is experienced with Corvettes. BN started with small FACs, now it is building OPVs, the next phase is Corvettes and yet the next is Frigates. We are raising our stake gradually. Destroyers are not very far, I believe.

 

[Ideas_R_Bulletproof]

not really sure about the price.... there were some defence spending list published a few days back, but there were some miscalculations in there, which made it a bit difficult to understand which ships got what price..... they all got a bit mixed up into two Type 056 corvettes, two Type 053H2 frigates and two submarines.....

How about the price tag the Chinese offered to you guys for their Type 056 Corvette?

 

[Nike]

not really sure about the price.... there were some defence spending list published a few days back, but there were some miscalculations in there, which made it a bit difficult to understand which ships got what price..... they all got a bit mixed up into two Type 056 corvettes, two Type 053H2 frigates and two submarines.....

well, thanks for the info. I just wanna make some simple comparison between our SIGMA corvette and Type 56 corvette, which is the best bang for the bucks he he

 

[eastwatch]

one little correction..... the new Padma-class is a coastal patrol boat, not an OPV..... OPVs are usually larger so that it can stay at sea for at least two weeks or longer.... Padma can do this for 7 days only..... anyway, thats not a big issue.... larger ships are just a matter of time.... do you know that Western Marine built a tourist boat for Chittagong Boat Club, which is a catamaran design?...... thats the first catamaran built in BD.... and Ananda Shipyard built BN's first underway replenishment tanker, which is another plus.... privates are also craving for BN jobs.... potential is just tremendous..... just a bit of time needed, that is....

"Classification of OPV"

"They may be broadly classified as inshore patrol vessels (IPVs) and offshore patrol vessels (OPVs). They are warships typically smaller in size than a corvette and can include fast attack craft, torpedo boats and missile boats, although some are as large as a frigate.

The offshore patrol vessels are usually the smallest ship in a navy's fleet that are large and seaworthy enough to patrol off-shore in the open ocean. In larger militaries, such as in the United States military, offshore patrol vessels usually serve in the coast guard, but many smaller nations navies operate these type of ships."

Above is a citation from wiki on the classification of vessels. Size and weight are two factors, but weapons system is also another factor. BNS Padma (350t) may have satisfied the PRESENT requirement of the OPV. So, Padma's classification is correct, at least for now.

A time may come when these will be transferred to the Coast Guard, and will be replaced by new and larger vessels with about 1000 ton displacement.

 

[Bamboo Castle]

i think BD navy need 1 or 2-3 destroyers and 2 mordern frigates.

Bangladesh Navy is not an offensive force. We do not need destroyers. What we need is a combination of Ships for defensive and maritime patrolling. Bangladesh Navy in the future should plan to equip adequate combatants to patrol its vast sea space, and my suggestion (I am in no position to suggest though. What I am suggesting is a fan-boy list) would be to acquire 4-8 attack submarines, 8 multipurpose medium FFG (with helicopter), 4 ASW FCG (with helicopter), 4 Anti-Air FCG (with helicopter), 8 anti-shipping FCG (with helicopter) and 16 to 24 OPV (with helicopter) and other supporting ships. The crew must also be trained accordingly.

 

[Ideas_R_Bulletproof]

well, I won't go into hair-splitting definitions..... throughout history, naval definitions changed and always changing... even we're (BN) helping to redefine.... e.g. Castle-class OPVs are now corvettes.... Chinese minesweeper is being used as OPV.... USCG cutter is now frigate in BN..... LPCs are being used as corvettes.... these just show how difficult it is to classify ships.... more is dependent on a ship's capabilities (like weapons/sensors, speed, endurance, etc.) rather than anything else... JMSDF is classifying their helicopter carriers as destroyers and their LPH as LST, just to bypass their constitutional obligations.... the new ROK AD destroyers are bigger than USN Ticonderoga-class CGs....

whatever, the point was to show that the newer ships from our shipyards would probably be bigger and more capable....

 

[Ideas_R_Bulletproof]

some really nice observations.... my choice of ships would be a bit different though....

it should be based around 2 helicopter carrier battle groups with ASW as primary mission....
a. 2 helicopter carriers converted from civilian ships, equipped with 6-8 helicopters (ASW, AEW, transport helos), short-range SAM, CIWS
b. 4 AAW frigates/destroyers with medium-range SAM, short-range SAM, SSM, CIWS
c. 8 ASW frigates with helo, short-range SAM, SSM, CIWS
d. 2-4 submarines
e. 12 multipurpose corvettes for merchant fleet escort (low speed, moderate endurance, 4 SSMs, 1 helo, short-range SAM)
f. 6-8 OPVs
g. 15-20 coastal PCs (I would prefer all to be transferred to CG)
h. 4 fleet replenishment ships ( 2 for helicopter carrier battle groups, 2 for convoy escort)
i. 8 FAC(G)s (needed to operate close to the delta)
j. 4-6 land-based MPAs with moderate-great endurance

this whole force would be extremely defensive in nature.... primary mission would be ASW.... no offensive amphibious capability required..... the replenishment ships will be small-medium size.....

Bangladesh Navy is not an offensive force. We do not need destroyers. What we need is a combination of Ships for defensive and maritime patrolling. Bangladesh Navy in the future should plan to equip adequate combatants to patrol its vast sea space, and my suggestion (I am in no position to suggest though. What I am suggesting is a fan-boy list) would be to acquire 4-8 attack submarines, 8 multipurpose medium FFG (with helicopter), 4 ASW FCG (with helicopter), 4 Anti-Air FCG (with helicopter), 8 anti-shipping FCG (with helicopter) and 16 to 24 OPV (with helicopter) and other supporting ships. The crew must also be trained accordingly.

 

[eastwatch]

well, thanks for the info. I just wanna make some simple comparison between our SIGMA corvette and Type 56 corvette, which is the best bang for the bucks he he

I am unaware of price matters. Please, some one answer this.

 

[PlanetSoldier]

That's right. This is why, after BN produces the next three small Khulna Class OPVs, it will produce two Corvettes in Khulna Shipyard. Once BN has the required know how and technology there will be more home built Corvettes, no doubt.

But, I hear that BN will also produce Frigates with Chinese assistance after it is experienced with Corvettes. BN started with small FACs, now it is building OPVs, the next phase is Corvettes and yet the next is Frigates. We are raising our stake gradually. Destroyers are not very far, I believe.

They should also start building FACs under ToT from China. These are less expensive, very effective during wartime. If it's Type 022 (Houbei Class) Fast Attack Missile Craft, that's a big gain for us.

Type 022 (Houbei Class) Fast Attack Missile Craft - SinoDefence.com
Type 022 missile boat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Chinese Answer To USS Freedom: The Houbei Class FAC | malaysiaflyingherald

 

[Ideas_R_Bulletproof]

there's a huge possibility of getting some Type 022 FACs..... BN requirement includes at least 4 FACs.... but probably those are secondary importance, coming after the frigates and corvettes.... but they surely are on the cards..... and they are fantastic machines!!

They should also start building FACs under ToT from China. These are less expensive, very effective during wartime. If it's Type 022 (Houbei Class) Fast Attack Missile Craft, that's a big gain for us.

Type 022 (Houbei Class) Fast Attack Missile Craft - SinoDefence.com
Type 022 missile boat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Chinese Answer To USS Freedom: The Houbei Class FAC | malaysiaflyingherald

 

[eastwatch]

there's a huge possibility of getting some Type 022 FACs..... BN requirement includes at least 4 FACs.... but probably those are secondary importance, coming after the frigates and corvettes.... but they surely are on the cards..... and they are fantastic machines!!

Specifications for type-022 Fast Attack Missile Craft (FAC-M, Houbei class)

1) Builders: Qiuxin Shipbuilding Factory, Shanghai

2) Operators: People's Liberation Army Navy

3) Cost: $40 million

4) Built: 2004–present

5)　In commission: 004–present

6) Completed: 83

7) Displacement: 220 long tons (224 t) full load

8) Length: 42.6 m (139 ft 9 in)

9) Beam: 12.2 m (40 ft 0 in)

10) Draught: 1.5 m (4 ft 11 in)

11) Propulsion: 2 diesel engines @ 6,865 hp (5,119 kW) with 4 waterjet propulsors by MARI

12) Speed: 36 knots (67 km/h; 41 mph)

13) Complement: 12

14) Sensors and processing systems: Surface search radar: 1 Type 362

15) Navigational radar: 1

16) Electro-optics: HEOS 300

17) Armament:
• Anti-ship missiles: 8 C-801/802/803 in friction stir welded aluminium missile launch
containers or
• Land-attack missiles: 8 Hongniao missile-2 long range land attack cruise missiles.
• Surface-to-air missiles: FLS-1 surface-to-air launcher with 12 QW class MANPAD missiles
• 1 × licensed copy of KBP AO-18 6-barrel 30 mm gun (AK-630) by ZEERI

 

[BDforever]

I am unaware of price matters. Please, some one answer this.

Type022 cost $40M, so i assume Type056 corvette cost will be close to $100M (2.5 times) which is very low than its competitors.