Naval and Military developments in Turkey’s neighborhood

[dBSPL]

for a liberal country like Greece in order to fight war you need money and due to weak economy they will not be able to fight for long,turkey on the other hand is not liberal country and has Islamic ideology and also have much better economy so in longrun they will likely to win any war

Turkey is a secular and liberal state. But the general public is mostly faithful to their religion and have nationalist reflexes.

 

[Aslan1071]

Generally speaking, I'd say that the article is pretty accurate. While HN is not strictly in dire straits, there are a lot of challenges going forward, given the fact that it is extremely difficult to maintain the current fleet numbers.

I see 4 programs getting the green light or getting completed in the short-medium timeframe. Torpedoes for the subs, 2 new frigates, a small mid-life upgrade for the MEKOs and the P-3B program. The budget alloted and predicted is considered to be inelastic, at least for the following decade.

Thanks for the info.

for a liberal country like Greece in order to fight war you need money and due to weak economy they will not be able to fight for long,turkey on the other hand is not liberal country and has Islamic ideology and also have much better economy so in longrun they will likely to win any war

Turkey is a liberal country.

 

[merzifonlu]

Thanks for the info.


Turkey is a liberal country.

And secular.

 

[Aslan1071]

And secular.

True.

 

[Saithan]

Well, the key here is to spend your budget wisely, and ensure balanced power. This goes for both Greece and Turkey. The seamile issue is a thorny one, and needs to be addressed. IMO some of the islands too close to Turkey should switch hands. After that there shouldn't been an issue with regard to the seamilage

I think this is a new idea that ppl don't want to utter, and for Greece it's probably unthinkable solution. But if that's the price to expanding to the seamiles they want, why not

 

[Vergennes]

France will soon propose Greece a govt to govt deal to provide the Greek Navy with two FTI frigates. The official proposal could be made during the Greek defence minister's visit to France next month.

The Greek minister should inform France of his desire to obtain certain specificities and capabilities on the frigates of the Greek navy. (if acquired)

The frigates should be armed with cruise missiles. The first one could be delivered in 2024 the other one in 2025.

https://www.latribune.fr/entreprise...-vente-de-type-fms-a-la-francaise-828715.html

Greece had shown interests for the Fremm,however no news about it since.

 

[cabatli_53]

France will soon propose Greece a govt to govt deal to provide the Greek Navy with two FTI frigates. The official proposal could be made during the Greek defence minister's visit to France next month.

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The Greek minister should inform France of his desire to obtain certain specificities and capabilities on the frigates of the Greek navy. (if acquired)

The frigates should be armed with cruise missiles. The first one could be delivered in 2024 the other one in 2025.

https://www.latribune.fr/entreprise...-vente-de-type-fms-a-la-francaise-828715.html

Greece had shown interests for the Fremm,however no news about it since.

800million Euro x 1 Belharra class frigate which is going to carry 8xExocet MM40, 16 cell Sylver-70 VLS with 16x Aster-30(enough space to enhance 32Cell) missiles and lack of self defense missile/gun capability is an expensive concept but not a strategic one against Turkish Army.

300 million $ - Istanbul class frigate with 16 Atmaca SSM, 32 cell VLS with quad packable ESSM and Hisar ( Siper SAM integration in future) missile combination, Gökdeniz CIWS is more accurate solution for both striking and defensive purposes.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Greece has been naval power since ancient times.

 

[WarDaddy97]

The fastest way to failure is to underestimate your opponent and to overestimate your own strengths.
Unfortunately too many people here are underestimating the Greeks.

War between Turks and Greeks will be similar to Sino-Vietnamese war in 1979 where China prevailed but took heavy casualties
And after Erdogan purges-recently another tens or hundreds officers were detained-I wouldn’t hold my breath.

 

[Test7]

Some troll stupids are using two accounts and they think that people are fool here..

 

[Yellow-place]

Greece has been naval power since ancient times.

Yes it was also like that between 1400-1850...

 

[mete]

800million Euro x 1 Belharra class frigate which is going to carry 8xExocet MM40, 16 cell Sylver-70 VLS with 16x Aster-30(enough space to enhance 32Cell) missiles and lack of self defense missile/gun capability is an expensive concept but not a strategic one against Turkish Army.

300 million $ - Istanbul class frigate with 16 Atmaca SSM, 32 cell VLS with quad packable ESSM and Hisar ( Siper SAM integration in future) missile combination, Gökdeniz CIWS is more accurate solution for both striking and defensive purposes.

No defence??? That might be the most expensive naval target.

Does Greek navy have network-centric warfare capability like ours?

 

[dBSPL]

War between Turks and Greeks will be similar to Sino-Vietnamese war in 1979 where China prevailed but took heavy casualties
And after Erdogan purges-recently another tens or hundreds officers were detained-I wouldn’t hold my breath.

Erdogan is literally the type of most reasonably leadership the Greek state would desire.

Some commentators here are really unaware of what is happening in the Turkish bureaucracy and security layers. In short, let me give you the following topics.

While the Turkish islands are occupied in the Aegean, the issue cannot be brought to the agenda of the parliament. We cannot even talk about this issue in the mainstream media while the Aegean islands are armed in contradiction with international agreements.

Regarding the Cyprus issue, he has strongly supported the Annan Plan in the past. If the Greek Cypriot side did not showed greed and support the plan, they would have achieved much more than today they have demand. Despite all this, he failed to develop a strong enough discourse to influence the Greek public and to bring the far right wing* to power. (When the far rightists took goverment or control the public-opinion in Greece, they were slapped every time by the Turkish army.)

Very experienced naval officers in the Aegean area were thrown into jail or suspended in the established complo against the navy. Erdogan was the audience of this disaster.

The mass production of the MILGEM project was actually going to start in 2013. However, the RMK shipyard, which received the tender, was part of the Koç Group. After the Gezi events, there were a number of problems between this Holding and the government. And the Milgem project is likely to have been the victim of this dispute.

Very critical sensitive informations, including the operational plans and emergency action plans, was sold to other intelligence agencies by FETO members. These military and intelligence espionage activities have resulted in the reorganization of most units in the country. Some buildings were even demolished and units were moved to new buildings. Many military projects have slowed down due to the elimination of infiltrations, the struggle against espionage activities and the weaknesses created in the cadres. Since 2013, the state has been struggling with this FETO terrorists, and in recent years significant success has been achieved, but the damage to the country before almost unpredictable.

The difference between Greece and Turkey, formerly could be kept in balance by supplier countries. Now it starts to open with a difference in the rate of population(Factors such as GDP and domestic production differences) . For this reason, Greece is trying to incorporate many EU mechanisms including PESCO into the equation in the Aegean and Mediterranean regions. In sum, if the Greeks could not create a climate of peace with the AKP of 2004-2016, it is because of their greed.

 

[Nein]

Greece has been naval power since ancient times.

Only in ancient times. Times have changed. Many navies all rise and fell.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Only in ancient times. Times have changed. Many navies all rise and fell.

Island nations like Greece, Britain, Japan traditionally have powerful navies.