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NATO's Shame - NATO Aware it was Firing at Pakistani Troops

MastanKhan and other friends, we can speak of what US-NATO thinks of a common Pakistani and specifically Pak Armed Forces, right from day one it is the doing of our own top brass and both previous and present Governments that led us to this day, whether someone believes it or not the foolishness that we have been doing since 71 is getting greater day by day. We never conveyed to US-NATO our stance and the equally mutual relationship and understanding with pen down documentations but a Yes Sir Yes Master attitude is why we are suffering from it for the last 60 Years.

Take US media and Govt how good & well they portray convince their people that Iraq, Iran, Pakistan as the bad apples those who cooperate, fund, train terrorists how effective media is, where as we have not seen a bit out of our media to reminds Angels they were the first ones to introduce terrorism to the region at the advent of Afghan War, Now study were there any troubles in the Region before Afghan War except for hindustani mukti bani terrorism introduced by hindustan.

Has there been any statement officially by Pakistan and dossiers that US supported funded trained introduced manuals of Jihad in Afghanistan and then Central Asia, it is surprising they say it right on the media they did fund-train-supported jihadis but the fingers still point at Pakistan isn't it amazing no one shows the mirror to US do we have guts at all. See we have miserably failed at the Govt-Diplomatic levels. You can only show your point of view and side if you are stronger diplomatically and not a deceiving party as our Govt has been for so many decades and the loss of credibility has led to this day no one is believing us and they consider each Pakistani as a potential security risk across the globe aka Terrorist may it be soldiers or a common Pakistani.

So the net result is fix your Internal problems, decide who you want to be with, make an independent strong foreign policy, restrict diplomatic activities monitor them, send back their extra staff, send strong credible out spoken ambassadors in western countries, who can without government consent give a strong positive point of view of Pakistan not that call back PM-President house that should we speak or remain silent, see nobody believes you because through out WOT your Army-Air Force-Government kept quiet authenticating they were the guilty party. I can write all night please understand that the dirt and mess is equally our doing. I would like to write more but it would get long and boring already.
 
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The song's lyrics indeed apply to the current situation ......



the yellow man kicked their butt and sent them packing , now its the turn of the brown man to kick their butt and send them packing.

Americans and their supporters are a disgrace to humanity

We need to becareful when we include an entire nation done by a few idiots. ITs like saying that since the 9/11 supposely were "muslim" all Muslim are terrorists

Its those idiots that lable all muslm as terrorist lets not be like them.

beside:

Lets get things a little into propective here:

1) Its not American to send troops to invade an innocent land
2) Its not American to send other peoples DAughters, SOns, brother, SIsters , Uncles, Auties, Father and Mother to fight your war on bases of money. oil and religious difference
3) Its not American to be predudice on bases of relgion, race and creed
4) ITs not AMerican to wipe out an entire race or force them to be under a flag that they don;t want to (Red INdians)
5) Its not american to act racist
6) Its not american to have detainee camps and keep innocent peolple just for making an example to the thier own country
7) Its not AMerican to have a police state
8) Its not AMerican to support a country that keeps up with the holocaust (Israel)
and sacrifice its own nations interest
9) Its not AMerican to kill its own people for its agenda
10) its not american to enslave
11) especailly not american to invade and kill and torture the people of that invaded country.
12) espicailly its not AMerican to lie to the people in order to brainwash
13) espicailly not AMerican to make false flag to start war

Its an act pure evilness that has stolen the true american sole run by a few (Zionist) killing millions to make big money.
 
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We need to becareful when we include an entire nation done by a few idiots. ITs like saying that since the 9/11 supposely were "muslim" all Muslim are terrorists

Its those idiots that lable all muslm as terrorist lets not be like them.

beside:

Lets get things a little into propective here:

1) Its not American to send troops to invade an innocent land
2) Its not American to send other peoples DAughters, SOns, brother, SIsters , Uncles, Auties, Father and Mother to fight your war on bases of money. oil and religious difference
3) Its not American to be predudice on bases of relgion, race and creed
4) ITs not AMerican to wipe out an entire race or force them to be under a flag that they don;t want to (Red INdians)
5) Its not american to act racist
6) Its not american to have detainee camps and keep innocent peolple just for making an example to the thier own country
7) Its not AMerican to have a police state
8) Its not AMerican to support a country that keeps up with the holocaust (Israel)
and sacrifice its own nations interest
9) Its not AMerican to kill its own people for its agenda
10) its not american to enslave
11) especailly not american to invade and kill and torture the people of that invaded country.
12) espicailly its not AMerican to lie to the people in order to brainwash
13) espicailly not AMerican to make false flag to start war

Its an act pure evilness that has stolen the true american sole run by a few (Zionist) killing millions to make big money.
Yes! U absolutely right ....the ordinary Americans they are very sincere and nice pplz but the ruling elites/Zionists /Satanists/Masonics are real evils disguised as patriotic Americans and controlling the Govt of US...fooling the American Public robbing them of their hard earned money and paid taxes etc etc.....:smokin:
 
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WOT has now become Pakistani commitment to stabilize Afghanistan at the behest of Islamabad own intrests..wah wah..what an incompetent government we have...
 
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Hi,

The poor guy---Cameron Minter has been making rounds in pakistan and telling the public about hhow it was a mistake and how sypathetic the american public is---what a bunch of hog-wash and bolognie----americans hate pakistan army with a passion---this report by the medal of honor----threw gasoline on the fire----hios mindset tell the true opinion the u s millitary has of pakistan.

10 years it has been----the murdering of muslims has not ended---and they want us to murder more muslims---it is beyond sickening----,

We have a gutless elected prime minister, a president who sold a country and general Kiyani---who is clueless to what is happening around in the country, the air chief who is asleep at hois job and the millitaqry generaql headquarters----who are lulled into misinformation---their base has lost connection and these idiots are waiting for the connection to be restored---so that they can call the base after two hours to find out if everthing is fine and well.

What does it tell us about Pakistan when everyone feels embarrassed of the actions of our leadership , regardless of where all of us stand on the spectrum of US-Pak relations. There is a need for swift change in the direction our leadership is headed in. I have never heard of a leader as completely devoid of leadership qualities as is Zardari. Not in my wildest dreams could I have foreseen a President that has no interest in leading at all. As our relationship crumbles with the US, so will our economy, which has been on life support (US aid) for years...for a man who's destiny and legacy directly correlates with what happens between the US and Pakistan, he is supremely uninterested.

That is to speak nothing of our General, who has turned out to be no different, boasting about our capabilities and harsh response, only to be found inactive in the time of need. Once again, i will say, I completely understand why we haven't directly confronted the US...but to be so incapable that one cannot gain a single concession for his own nation in all these years of one sided sacrifice, borders on the insane. We seem to have no answer to the question of what we want from the WOT and so our dear General alternately begs US for military tech and then threatens them with the very same devices. It's this inaction or lack of direction that has formed the foundation of the US argument against Pakistan. We are letting the US dictate the terms, and we all know where that leads. They are so strong, it is only a game for them...we, on the other hand, are playing with fire.
 
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Why Salala was attacked by NATO?

By Asif Haroon Raja

While the US military and NATO have off and on committed unfriendly and hostile acts against its ally Pakistan since 2006, attack on Salala on 26 November by NATO helicopters killing 24 soldiers and injuring 16 was by far the worst. It was a premeditated and well-calculated massacre meant to give a tough message to Pakistan to behave or face the music.

The big question is why this gruesome attack was launched at a time when things are not going well for ISAF and Pakistan’s cooperation in the endgame of Afghanistan is vital. The attack didn’t occur at the spur of the moment but in my reckoning was the cumulative affect of unreasonable grouses which Washington has been gathering against Pakistan over the years. It will be worthwhile to recapitulate some of the major events of the yesteryears.

There is no denying the fact that the US made Pakistan its coalition partner in war on terror because of its motivated interests and not because of love of Pakistan. The US had ditched Pakistan in 1989 and had befriended India. Over the years, the gap between USA and Pakistan kept widening mainly because of influence of India and Israel. Differences further widened after Pakistan turned nuclear and military dictator took over. Indo-US-Israel nexus formed in mid 1990’s saw nuclear Pakistan with a strong conventional military power and fairly strong technological base a big danger to its future designs and had marked it as a target. With the active blessing of Washington, Indian and Israeli jets had on few occasions come close to destroying Kahuta plant.

Therefore to say that there was a sudden change of heart after 9/11 is absurd. Pakistan was never regarded a friend by USA and will never consider it in future as well. It has been hiring Pakistan to serve its short-term interests and rudely pushing it aside after its objectives were accomplished. A stage has been set for another boorish break-up. The only difference is that in all previous marriages of convenience, Pakistan was not the target; this time it is the target.

The Indo-US-Israeli nexus duly joined by UK and Germany had made up their minds to make judicious use of Afghan soil for denuclearizing and Balkanizing Pakistan and making it a satellite of India through covert means. Well-sounding phrases like ‘making amends for past mistakes; and ‘lasting relations’ were gimmicks to dupe Pakistan and after lulling the senses of its leadership and disabling the nukes, striking it from within at an opportune time. India also embarked upon similar strategy to befool Pakistani leaders that it would resolve all core issues including Kashmir. In reality, it wanted to make Pakistan forget about Kashmir and accept its hegemony. While our adversaries on the quiet kept weaving the web around Pakistan, our myopic leaders lured by aid flow kept praising them and calling them their sincere friends.

In its honeymoon with the US, Pakistanis got the first jolt when George W. Bush administration struck highly controversial Indo-US civilian nuclear deal in March 2006 and didn’t give the same to Pakistan. The US went out of the way to build India’s military power and its nuclear strength without caring for the regional military imbalance. Its visible tilt towards India became a cause of concern for Pakistan, particularly when the US ignored Pakistan’s defence needs and counter terror equipment and even made its aid conditional to its performance against terrorists.

The warmth in Pak-US military and intelligence agencies relations started getting diluted after Pakistan was blamed for the terrorist attack on Indian Embassy in Kabul in July 2008. The US tilt towards India was again seen in the aftermath of Mumbai attacks when Indian military became highly belligerent. Since Mumbai drama backfired, India’s design to put its Cold Start doctrine to test in Sindh and South of Sutlej couldn’t materialize. Indo-US objective of getting ISI declared as a rogue outfit and to declare Pakistan’s nuclear program as unsafe boomeranged.

The US became more demanding and aggressive in 2009 after Barack Obama replaced George Bush and formulated Pakistan focused ****** policy. It was designed to make Durand Line redundant and to allow ISAF to operate inside FATA freely. On several occasions Obama hurled threats that the US forces would hit a target in FATA unilaterally whenever actionable intelligence came their way. When Gen Kayani put his foot down, Obama reacted by intensifying use of drones in FATA. He also demanded firmer action by Pak Army against the militants. ‘Do more mantra’ and vilification campaign against the Army, ISI and nuclear program gathered pace. Pakistan became the convenient target to fire upon by all and sundry. Governed by its policy of appeasement, Pakistan kept offering its second cheek to the domineering bully.

In 2010, some strains occurred in Pak-US military relations. The reason behind it was continuously deteriorating security situation in Afghanistan. Two troop surges had failed to control the rising power of Taliban. Casualty rate of ISAF had increased substantially. Apart from reverses in Afghanistan, another worrying matter for schemers was that Pakistan Army’s image had shot up and it had disarrayed the TTP. The conspirators were extremely unhappy to see Pak Army successfully coming out of the well laid out ambushes in Swat and South Waziristan (SW). Separatist movement in Balochistan backed by foreign agencies was also going nowhere and its top leadership was in exile. Not knowing how to explain its failures, the US military in Afghanistan in conjunction with Karzai administration enhanced their trend of leveling unfounded and baseless allegations against Pakistan, its Army and ISI, and blamed them for whatever went wrong in Afghanistan. This unholy practice of blame-going is still continuing.

Failing to arrest the down slide in Afghanistan and to weaken Pak Army and Pakistan’s nuclear program, the US devised another scheme in the form of Kerry-Lugar aid bill, which was aimed at cutting Pak Army and ISI to size and allowing CIA network to reach up to our nuclear arsenal and missile sites. This move ran into snags because the Army smelt the rat and raised serious objections. When Pak Army couldn’t be ensnared in the laid out traps of Swat and SW, Pentagon and CIA hatched another plan to trap and defame Pak Army by pushing it into the cauldron of North Waziristan (NW). Gen Petraeus pronounced NW as the major cause of ISAF’s reverses in Afghanistan and claimed that bulk of terrorism was flowing into Afghanistan from NW. Successive postponement of planned operation in Kandahar was attributed to safe havens in NW. Desperate to bog down another Corps size force and thus drastically reduce Pak Army’s operational effectiveness, Pakistan was pressed to launch a major operation in NW similar to Rah-e-Rast and Rah-e-Nijat and eliminate safe havens of al-Qaeda and anti-US militants. Pakistan’s reluctance to open another front when Swat and SW had not been fully stabilized was not well received in Pentagon and in Langley, which had its effect on civilian power centres in Capitol Hill as well.

The dawn of 2011 further strained Pak-US relations when Raymond Davis was arrested on 27 January after he murdered two motorcyclists in Lahore and was put in Kot Lakhpat jail. Preliminary investigations revealed that pretending to be a diplomat, he was CIA contractor and in connivance with CIA Station Officer in Islamabad Jonathan Bank, he had been playing a major role in destabilizing Pakistan. Although he was released on 16 March after the US agreed to pay blood money to the next of kin of the deceased, the US feeling insulted never forgave Pakistan. It felt more offended when ISI started pushing out under cover agents of CIA and also monitoring the activities of US diplomats.

Gen Pasha during his meeting with CIA Director in Langley insisted that full details of CIA agents and the US Special Forces personnel based in Pakistan under different guises to be provided and repatriated at the earliest. When Panetta refused to oblige, Pasha had to abruptly call off the meeting and fly back, which further angered CIA. In retaliation, not only spate of drones increased, Operation ‘Get Geronimo’ was hatched to teach a lesson to ISI and Pak Army. Stealth assault in Abbottabad was launched on 2 May with multiple objectives, but the main purpose was to discredit the Army, ISI and PAF in the eyes of the public and getting rid of the two eyesores - Gen Kayani and Gen Pasha.

When the defenders of Pakistan - COAS and DGISI – survived the western-local media cum PML-N politicians’ debilitating onslaught and civil-military relations remained cordial, the US refused to reduce terms of engagement in war on terror and intelligence sharing in writing, turned down the calls to vacate Shamsi airbase and to terminate drone war as was envisaged in 14 May joint resolution of the parliament. Instead of attending to Pakistan’s concerns, the US played upon the theme that some elements within Pak Army and ISI had facilitated Bin Laden’s stay in Abbottabad. It then invented another story that Haqqani network (HN) based in NW was involved in cross border terrorism and its safe havens must be liquidated. HN was demonized and pressure on Pakistan was further stepped up. Pakistan’s continued refusal to mount an operation in NW, saying that with its hands already full, it could ill afford to activate a new battlefront became a major irritant.

Fearing that the US may block military and economic assistance to Pak Army, Gen Pasha undertook whirlwind tours of China and some Arab countries in May to solicit financial assistance. He availed the opportunity to apprise his hosts that ISI and Army had no knowledge of Bin Laden’s presence in Abbottabad and that Pakistan was stabbed in the back by its ally. He received a favorable response from all quarters. To suggest that he had gone there to seek assistance of Arabs to topple the sitting government is ridiculous. Once GHQ decides to bring down the ruling regime, it will neither inform any other country nor would need external assistance. All the four Generals who forcibly grabbed power did so without outside assistance.

After series of attacks on US-NATO targets by Taliban in Eastern Afghanistan in July-September 2011 including attacks on US Embassy and NATO HQ on 13 September, which blew apart tall claims of US military that lot of progress had been made, the US military lost its cool when Burhanuddin Rabbani was murdered on 20 September. Admiral Mullen went crackers and started hitting the roof on 22 September. He didn’t mince his words in directly accusing ISI’s linkage with HN claiming that it was the ‘veritable arm’ of ISI. Demand for eliminating sanctuaries of HN in NW became vociferous but Pakistan continued to resist.

Revelation of memo directed against the very independence of Pakistan by Mansoor Ijaz on 22 October was yet another conspiracy to sever civil-military relations and to tempt Gen Kayani to launch a coup against the government. Mansoor is not a friend of Pakistan. Reportedly, he is connected with CIA, MI6 and RAW. He was the carrier of the memo but leaked the story five months and 12 days after it was drafted and handed over to Admiral Mullen. Memogate scandal has given rise to an assumption that President Zardari, our Ambassador in Washington Hussein Haqqani (now sacked) and our High Commissioner in London Wajidul Shams knew about the 2 May attack and when the operation failed to fetch the desired objectives, the memo was drafted at the behest of Zardari and delivered to Mullen through Jim Jones on 10 May.


While the purpose of USA was to inflict harm to Pakistan, it is a different matter that the memo affair came as a blessing in disguise. It helped in exposing America’s chosen man Haqqani and getting rid of him. His absence from Washington in the ongoing difficult days is acutely felt by his patrons in Washington. They are apprehensive that he might divulge many secrets shared between him and US leadership. Haqqani may prove to be more dangerous than Raymond Davis. Supreme Court is seized with the issue and hopefully it will extract the truth and bring the traitors to justice. Panicked by Supreme Court’s assertiveness, Federal government has taken an irrational stance that memogate scandal should be investigated by the Parliament and not by Supreme Court, not realizing that great majority of elected parliamentarians are corrupt and dishonest.

It was in the backdrop of utter failures of US military, NATO and Karazi regime in Afghanistan on the political, economic, social and military fronts and their repeated failures to earth Pakistan that provoked them to launch an unprovoked attack at Salala. It was an act of sheer frustration and desperation. This latest hostile act has boomeranged in a big way and has impelled our weak-willed leaders to take steps which they should have taken long time back to roll back the US blatant intrusions and making a mockery of Pakistan’s sovereignty. They have dared to take series of measures because the top leadership is caught up in memogate case and shield of NRO has been taken away by the Supreme Court. It is anyone’s guess whether the President recuperating from his stroke will return from Dubai or not. The ruling regime closely associated with USA is standing on a very slippery ground.


Worthy reading, I must say.
 
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Batman,

After the first two paras, I lost interest and just scanned it----it is a useless article---going every which way it wants to ---trying to cover all aspects so he can wing it,
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Salala check post is the reflection of anger of lower american command and troops.

A man shoots a criminal in self defence---here in america---but the case takes a wild turn when the attorney for the deceased claims that the shooter---shot the criminal 7 times---changed the magazine and shot him again seven more times---the act of self defencew was okay till he discharged his first magazine----but when he re-loaded for the second round it must be murder on his mind and thru his actions---thus was the verdict---.

The first strike maybe in error---but the second time around was a slaughter----but even the first time arpund over here is slaughter as well----.

The NIGHT VISION CAMERA in the spectre gun ship or the helicopters has a very clear view of what is on the ground----the soldiers in the uniforms would look different---their positions and locations and their encampment would be different---their transmission would be heard by the awacs as well-----.

I don't know what the american plans were---but they have been doomed with the downing of the stealth spy plane by the iranians.

It is amazing---the americans have planned to do something against the pakistanis and then something pops up from somewhere and makes them take a few steps back.
 
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Let me predict what's going to happen.

The NATO report will give a timeline absolving their side of any responsibility. The whole thing will be put down to 'innocent' miscommunication. They might even squarely blame Pakistan for the incident.

The usual suspects will lap up -- even defend -- the NATO report, including the deliberate ambiguities. It will become a 'he said she said' situation and we'll be told to put it all behind and move forward. Pay a few dollars to smooth the situation and back to business.
 
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Hi MK,
About article... as i said it was more of an effort to add some perspective to the picture and it is also true that US had always punished Pakistan.

Rest...... what you wrote shall be a common sense and every sane head will ask same question.

I don't know what does Pakistan's parliament is discussing on it? are they properly qualified? Do they understand the importance of institutions?

Anyhow, what is done is done and yet we don't know the outcome but what message does the 'freez aid' bill send to a sane head?

While conspiring along with enemies of Pakistan also does not send trust worthy signals.
 
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Neo Attack on 9/11 and called "Fake story and attempt by Taliban"
Neo Attack on Afghanistan called "WOT bullshit"
Neo Attack on Iraq called "WMD fake bullshit"
Neo Attack on Pakistan's border called "Mistake bullshit"

After all i can understand the meaning of USA is United State of A******E!
 
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Interesting times we live in.

---------- Post added at 12:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:18 PM ----------

I don't know what the american plans were---but they have been doomed with the downing of the stealth spy plane by the iranians.

Mastan khan saab, Do you find it a co incidence that the attack took place at 26/11?

And as per you, even if this is work of low ranking US offciers, USA is rigidly behind its soldiers. Not ready to apologise, even if it may have been rogue armymen's activity. What does this proves?
 
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It is a well known fact that the rules of engagement specify that any attack in Pakistan territory has to have the express permission of the Regional Command of NATO in Afghanistan. It is therefore clear as day that it had given the go-ahead to NATO forces to strafe Pakistani posts and destroy them. It was not a 'mistake'. It was a wanton, well planned and deliberate operation.

But the question is why was this operation conducted with such ferocity? According to some reports, it is about the PA's age old tactics of providing covering fire to militants to infiltrate into Afghan territory. The same tactics are being applied even now in Kashmir where covering fire to divert attention of the Indian Army, is provided to the militants whilst infiltrating into Indian territory.

Keeping this in view, and considering the impunity with which the Taliban cross over into Afghanistan under covering fire, NATO perhaps took it upon themselves to neutralize this fire once and for all and a warning against any such tactics in future.

The bottom line: It was a preplanned deliberate operation by NATO and the reason why the White House hasn't apologized.
 
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I hear what you have to say. But other countries have managed to defy america and survive. What we lack is sincerity in our leaders and what he have in abundance in our educated ruling elite (not neccesarily intellectual giants) are simply traitors

Aryan B
I dont mean to say that we bend over a bit more and invite them for more . However , in the world of diplomacy, there are norms and to defy a norm you have to have substance as a nation. Why do you think we don't have sincere leaders at the top? I know you will call me paranoid but look at it that way. In the midst of US opposition one man hails and cries for action against the US and the whole country flocks to listen to him. I on the other hand say to myself, why is he being allowed to do this and no attempt made to get him out of the way. Benazir was done in because she chose to duck out of her commitments and promises, and it seemed prudent to plant a corrupt and spineless man at the top, who could be manipulated to do the bidding of the powers that be. what we are currently doing is squeezing him hard where it hurts and getting our own bidding done. We are just playing their own game. No wonder the poor man gets afflicted with a weak heart.
i hope you see where i am coming from.
Araz
 
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