NATO MILITARY POWER 2019 (1000 Warships, 5000 Fighter Jets, 25.000 Airplanes)

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2022 + 8 years of refinements..... more probable 2030.

no 2050

LOL.
We have seen near Syrian border how your were skilled. Specially the Leopard MBT destroyed in the middle of the field.

You are far from being strong. A giant with clay feet.

Erdogan has a big mouth but not so much in the pants.

LOL .. We have seen loser Americans , French and their terrorists PKK/YPG in N.Syria

Turkish Armed Forces used only 1% of full power to kick your ROJAVA dream .. keep dreaming dream is free
Turkish Army took Afrin , Jarablus , Rai , Dabiq , Azaz , Al Bab , Tel Abyad and Rasulayn

and ERDOGAN kicked all of you in Iraq,Syria,Libya and in the Eastern Meditterranean

 

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I remember when some said Irak was the 3rd or 4th best army of the world in 1991...
They were smashed in a few days.
Quantity is one thing, quality another. No arab country is very strong. Just ask Israel their opinion.

We are Turks, though.

 

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ERDOGAN kicked all of you in Iraq,Syria,Libya and in the Eastern Meditterranean

Erdogan was kicked of the F35 fighter program, unceremoniously.

The game near the Turkish/Greek border with migrants is a shame ! Shame on that foul of Erdogan. He is mentally ill. Maybe he think he is the new ATATURK... he's only a kind of muslim Benny Hill.

We are Turks, though.

Sorry.
I made a mistake between muslim and arab. My bad.

 

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Sorry.
I made a mistake between muslim and arab. My bad.

So, you say we are weak because we are Muslims?

 

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NATO without USA is like tea without tea leaves.

 

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So, you say we are weak because we are Muslims?

Not really.
I say arab armies are often numerous, but of a poor quality. See Irak, see the opponents to Israel (even leagued they were smashed).

NATO without USA is like tea without tea leaves.

you're right.
Europe is afraid and refuses to take all its responsabilities.
Europe is an economic giant but a geopolitic dwarf.

Europe need to create a European NATO (part of NATO, why not), with its own nuclear deterrence (limited. Only 500 modern nukes heads are enough)

 

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france plus u.k nukes are approximately equal to 500 nukes so the already have such numbers

Not really.
I say arab armies are often numerous, but of a poor quality. See Irak, see the opponents to Israel (even leagued they were smashed).


you're right.
Europe is afraid and refuses to take all its responsabilities.
Europe is an economic giant but a geopolitic dwarf.

Europe need to create a European NATO (part of NATO, why not), with its own nuclear deterrence (limited. Only 500 modern nukes heads are enough)

 

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france plus u.k nukes are approximately equal to 500 nukes so the already have such numbers

UK is no more in EU....
and UK nukes are under a double key system, so once more under uncle Sam goodwill.

So only remains France for nukes in EU. I think a EU deterrence system can't remain in the sole french hands... but long is the road, and a true and perfect EU foreign politic is to built first.

 

[Yaseen1]

which new country in europe will get nukes,I guess germany is good option for developing their nukes

UK is no more in EU....
and UK nukes are under a double key system, so once more under uncle Sam goodwill.

So only remains France for nukes in EU. I think a EU deterrence system can't remain in the sole french hands... but long is the road, and a true and perfect EU foreign politic is to built first.

 

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Erdogan was kicked of the F35 fighter program, unceremoniously.

sooner or later Turkish TFX Fighter Jet

The game near the Turkish/Greek border with migrants is a shame ! Shame on that foul of Erdogan. He is mentally ill. Maybe he think he is the new ATATURK... he's only a kind of muslim Benny Hill.

Europe should say thanks to ERDOGAN who saved Europe from 4 million Syrian Refugees

btw led by ERDOGAN Turkish military projects have risen to around 700 from 20 between 2002 and 2020

 

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Europe should say thanks to ERDOGAN who saved Europe from 4 million Syrian Refugees

So you agree that it was a mistake of Erdogan to let the Syrians in?

 

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So you agree that it was a mistake of Erdogan to let the Syrians in?

maybe it was mistake of Erdogan and Davutoglu to block the Syrians go to Europe

 

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I think a EU deterrence system can't remain in the sole french hands

Some European members think that Germany should take more initiative and a leading role. Do you think the same way too?

 

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which new country in europe will get nukes,I guess germany is good option for developing their nukes

No need for them to developp from the beginning : France can give them the solutions, so as to avoid harsh R&D efforts (and without the possibility to test nukes, specially on the german soil). Or better, we give them the complete warheads.

But in my idea, in a 2050+ hypothesis, it's not to France, Germany, Italy... to have their own nuclear deterrence, but the whole EU. A kind of Ariane or Airbus of the deterrence, with for exemple the warheads made in France, The first stage of the missile in Germany, the second in Italy, the third in Spain..... But it's not a tomorrow project, and maybe a wet dream...

sooner or later Turkish TFX Fighter Jet

Maybe the frame.
Never the engine (far too complicated), probably with a foreign radar.
See the less complicated Altay MBT. It is late, with a lot of foreign components.

So TFX is mainly a marketing initiative from the Turkish top brass.

So you agree that it was a mistake of Erdogan to let the Syrians in?

The EU is weak.
A stronger EU would just refuse to any migrant to enter in.
With army at the border, navy cruise near the african border to avoid any migrant ship to move.
It's possible. Just lack the politic initiative.

But just wait some years... Some country will have patriotic government. Probably France in 2022. And it will change deeply, because the EU people are tired to see riots, violence, murders, rapes from migrants.

 

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Maybe the frame.
Never the engine (far too complicated), probably with a foreign radar.

Turkish ASELSAN is one of the best in the world

-- Aselsan GAN based AESA Radars for F-16 modernization , the TFX Fighter Jet and AKINCI and MIUS UCAVs
-- 450km Aselsan CAFRAD GAN based Naval AESA Radar for TF-2000 class Destroyer
-- 600km Aselsan GAN based early warning AESA Radar for SIPER high altitude Air Defense System

and TRMOTOR develops turbofan Engine for the TFX Fighter Jet
TEI develops TS-1400 turboshaft Engine for T-129 and T-625 Helicopters

and TEI produce under license American GE F110 turbofan engine and GE T-700 turboshaft engine


Turkish Aviation and Engine Projects TF-X / HURJET / ANKA-S / T-129 / T-625

See the less complicated Altay MBT. It is late, with a lot of foreign components.

French LECLERC Tank use Finish Engine
Israeli MERKAVA-4 Tank Engine based on German Engine
American M1A2 Tank use German 120mm Gun
Japanese TYPE-10 Tank use German 120mm Gun
Korean K-2 Tank use German 120mm Gun and MTU Engine

Turkish ALTAY Tank will use MKEK 120mm Gun and BMC has started developing diesel engine for ALTAY Tank