NATO MILITARY POWER 2019 (1000 Warships, 5000 Fighter Jets, 25.000 Airplanes)

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Exactly Russia doesn't have the ability to attack NATO. even a NATO without the USA and Turkey is to much for Russia.

Russia fared poorly in conventional warfare vs both Georgian Forces & Ukrainian.

Nobody can use Nuclear Weapons


-- huge Russian Army is stronger than all Europe ( Russian MLRS , land based Cruise Missile and Tactical Ballistic Missile fire power can burn tiny European Armies )

-- Russian Air Defense Systems S300 , S350 , S400 , S500 , BUK and TOR can turn all European Airforce Fighter Jets into crap of metal


-- Russia has enough power to destroy all military bases in France and the UK ... then rest of Europe are useless

Russia has long range air launched Ballistic and Cruise Missiles ( 2000-2500km ) KH-55 and KINZHAL
also 660km Submarine and air launched KALIBR Cruise Missiles
Russian BASTION land based supersonic anti ship missile System
Russian 500km ZICRON hypersonic anti ship missile
Russian air launched supersonic anti ship missile 1.000 km KH-32


-- Russia has massive Airforce SU-24 , SU-25 , MIG-29 , MIG-31 , MIG-35 , SU-27 , SU-30 , SU-35 , SU-57 , TU-90 , TU-22 and TU-160 to carry dozens of long range Cruise and anti ship missile family ... ( subsonic/supersonic and hypersonic )


what about Europe ? only 120km SAMP-T air defense System and 500km TAURUS and SCALP air launched Cruise Missiles also 1.000km MdcN naval Cruise Missile ..... NOTHING ELSE


without the US , NATO is 30%

and Turkiye is getting real military power with hundreds of military projects .. also huge Turkish Army and brave warrior Turkish nation will be a big problem for Russia to fight NATO

 

[-SINAN-]

Turkish Army is the 2nd strongest Army in NATO after the US Army (

According to whom a random internet poster ?

 

[MMM-E]

According to whom a random internet poster ?

according to military experts
Turkish Army is far stronger than tiny European Armies


HOWITZERS
Turkish Army : 1.200+ M52T, M110A2 , FIRTINA , PANTHER Howitzers
British Army : 89 AS-90 and 126 L-118
French Army : 112 CEASAR , AUF1 and TRF-1
German Army : 108 PzH2000


MLRS and TACTICAL BALLISTIC MISSILE
Turkish Army : Hundreds of TRG-122 and TRG-300 guided MLRS ( 40-120km ) ... 150km J600T and 280km KHAN Tactical Ballistic Missiles ... also 120 of ATACMS Tactical Ballistic Missiles ( 165km )

British Army : 35 GMLRS with 70km SNIPER Rockets
French Army : 50 GMLRS
German Army : 38 GMLRS


UCAV
Turkish Army : Bayraktar TB-2 and ANKA-S
British Army : Nope
French Army : Nope
German Army : Nope


ATTACK HELICOPTER
Turkish Army : 8 AH-1W Super Cobra and 83 T-129 planned until 2023
British Army : 67 APACHE
French Army : 66 TIGRE
German Army : 51 TIGRE


also Turkey develops ATAK-II heavy Attack Helicopter
AKSUNGUR and AKINCI UCAVs will help Turkish Army to destroy enemy Tanks,Howitzers,etc
only Turkey develops land based long range Cruise and Ballistic Missile in Europe ( GEZGIN and BORA )
Turkish OMTAS and French MMP are the best anti Tank Missiles in Europe
Turkish KOTKUT 35mm SPAAG is the best in Europe
Turkish HISAR-A and HISAR-O Air Defense Systems are on the way
Turkish land based MILKAR-3A3 , KORAL and REDET Electronic Warfare Systems
and many more

 

[925boy]

NATO's Military forces without the USA or Turkey

Naval Forces
Major Warships
1 Nuclear-powered Aircraft Carrier (CVN)
2 Aircraft Carriers (CV)
2 Aircraft Carriers VSTOL (CVS)
6 Amphibious Helicopter Docks (LHD)
49 Destroyer Anti Ship Missile, Hanger & SAM (DDGHM)
3 Destroyer Hanger & SAM (DDHM)
1 Destroyer Sam (DDM)
2 Destroyer Hangers (DDH)
73 Frigates Anti Ship Missiles, Hanger & SAM (FFGHM)
5 Frigates Anti Ship Missiles & SAM (FFGM)
3 Frigates Anti Ship Missiles (FFG)
1 Frigate (FF)
6 Amphibious Transportation Docks (LPD)
3 Amphibious Docking Ship (LSD)
157 Total Major warships

Minor Warship & Coastal Ships
20 Corvette (Cor)
154 Large Patrol Ships (PC)
160 Mine Warfare Ships (MWS)
5 Landing Ship Tanks (LST)
5 Landing Ship Medium (LSM)
282 Logistic & Support Ships (Log)
526 Total Minor Warships & Coastal Ships

Conventional Submarines
12 Nuclear-powered Attack Submarines (SSN)
47 Diesel-powered Attack Submarines
59 Total Submarines

Air Wing
18 F35B (Advance)
42 Rafale (Modern)

60 Total Fighters

26 AV-8B Ground Attack
281 Anti Submarine Warfare (ASW)
7 Airborne Early Warning & Control (AEWC)

Air Forces
27 F35A/B (Advance)
100 Rafale (Modern)
426 Typhoon (Modern)
28 JAS39 C/D (Modern)
203 F16C/D (Capable)
150 Mirage 2000 (Capable)
252 F16A/B (Capable/Old)
59 MiG29 (Capable/Old)
161 F18A/B (Capable/Old)
34 F4E (Poor)
35 MiG21 (Hopeless)
18 SU-22 (Hopeless)
19 F-5B (Hopeless)
31 AMX (Hopeless)
1665 Total jet Fighters

Fighter Pilots Avg 170 Hours Flight hours a year.

102 Tornado
16 L159 (junk)
118 Total Ground Attack Planes

290 Transport Planes (Heavy/Medium)
40 EW Jets/Planes
39 ELINT/ISR/AEWC/C2
53 Fuel Tankers
3 CSAR

43 Military Satellites
33 Ground based Radar

Ground forces & Marines
878,655 Active Soldiers
637,500 Reserve/National Guard
1,516,155 Total Soldiers

646 Advance (Leo2A7, Chall2, LeCler, C1)
1,320 Modern (Leo2, PT91)
1,192 Capable (T72, Leo1, M60A3, M84)
535 Poor (M60A1, M48A5, TR85)
260 Hopeless (M48, T55)
3,943 Total Tanks

10,140 Infantry Fighting Vehicles
12,566 Armored Personnel Carriers
22,706 Total

1,896 Self Propelled Artillery
3,097 Towed Artillery
544 Multiple Launch Rockets
5,537 Total indirect Fire Systems

555 Attack/Scout Helicopters
1,535 Transport Helicopters (Heavy/Medium)

2,400 total ADA systems

Order of Battle
1 NATO Command HQ
3 Army HQs
8 Corps HQs
1 Logistic Corp HQ
25 Division HQs

Brigades size units
17 Armored
67 Mech Infantry
47 Infantry
6 Airborne
7 Air Assault/Air Mobile
7 Marines/Amphibious
10 Recon/Scout
150 Total Maneuvers Brigades

12 Field Artillery
9 ADA
7 Combat Air
1 Anti Tank
29 Total Combat Support Brigades

Enabler Brigades
24 Logistic/Support
14 Engineer
2 MP
3 Military Intel
1 EOD
12 Signal
3 Medical
1 Transportation
3 NBC/CBRN
4 Electric Warfare

67 Total Enabler Brigades

this is what less then 2% of GDP gets you. NATO Nations have a lot of ability and capability to Surge grow in case of war. encase of war they could surge their spending to 5% which would allow them to have a even bigger military force.

ya ya ya.....motivation for NATO to figh today? probably 10% or less. NATO is a pseudo toothless tiger. you also now this because it explains your insecurities with these posts- you boast because in reality NATO is a hollowed out version of what it used to be.

Yeah, no. current Germany can't take entire Middle-East on its own nor can France/UK be global hegemons like the US.

Only gullible internet sycophantic idiots like you will think that the wars and physical colonial domination like the past is possible anymore. Its not. The amount of resources it'd take Germany to subdue and physically occupy just Egypt (100 million+ people!) is WAY too much than what Germany can afford (unless Germany literally wants to do a national economic suicide just to occupy Egypt for no reason?). The wars of past made economic sense. They dont today. You fight wars for your self-interest....not to prove to losers on the internet about how 'powerful' you are.

Its easy to rant idiotically about XYZ.....but in real world, we dont live in 1750 world anymore. In their current state, UK or France or Germany will be decimated if they tried to launch a full-scale invasion and occupation of Turkey on their own (without any foreign intervention etc)----let alone 'entire middle east'

Its militarily, and most importantly....economically....not feasible anymore.

I'm just surprised @Vergennes is stoking his little French ego at these laughingly stupid comments. He knows better

France is a more technological advanced country than Turkey or Middle-East etc...sure. But can it militarily occupy/invade Turkey? LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO I mean, yeah why not? Afterall, writing internet mental masturbations cost nobody nothing

Turkey has a better chance of re-creating the Ottoman Empire by occupying Greece and Balkans than France or UK has a chance of occupying Middle-East physically.

And Turkish chance of occupying Greece and Balkans physically is like 0.001% (if that) lol

I agree with your post generally. I completely agree that times have changed, and a large military force that cant be used effectively and affordably to achieve political objectives is essentially useless.

this is why NATO cant take back Hong Kong from CHina.
This is why NATO cant take control of PERsian Gulf from Iran
This is why NATO couldnt stop 5 gasoine tankers from getting to Venezuela.
This is why NATO didnt enter Syria after Russia entered. They let their proxy TUrkey go in, but obv Turkey wasnt up to the job hence the loud shouts of "support" to TUrkey.


There is nothing today that shows me that NATO Is actually read, able, willing and MOTIVATEd to fight anyone in a serious war( except if they got a serious visible attack, which they would have to respond to because their citizens wouldnt tolerate it either).

According to whom a random internet poster ?

I see what you mean...especially when you consider that Turkey was using the same 10-15 drones in the SYrian and Libyan theatres...smh. Turkey not a major military power, still a regional one.

 

[MMM-E]

this is why NATO cant take back Hong Kong from CHina.
This is why NATO cant take control of PERsian Gulf from Iran
This is why NATO couldnt stop 5 gasoine tankers from getting to Venezuela.
This is why NATO didnt enter Syria after Russia entered. They let their proxy TUrkey go in, but obv Turkey wasnt up to the job hence the loud shouts of "support" to TUrkey.

NATO was created for defense ..... NATO is the strongest military power in the world
and NATO doesnt care about Hong Kong , Iran , Venezuela and Syria

and the US allowed Russia to enter Syria
and never forget that Turkiye entered Syria to block the US/France backed PKK/YPG terror corridor and to clean Turkiye-Syria border-line from ISIS and Turkiye did it

 

[Ziggy1977]

ya ya ya.....motivation for NATO to figh today? probably 10% or less. NATO is a pseudo toothless tiger. you also now this because it explains your insecurities with these posts- you boast because in reality NATO is a hollowed out version of what it used to be.


I agree with your post generally. I completely agree that times have changed, and a large military force that cant be used effectively and affordably to achieve political objectives is essentially useless.

this is why NATO cant take back Hong Kong from CHina.
This is why NATO cant take control of PERsian Gulf from Iran
This is why NATO couldnt stop 5 gasoine tankers from getting to Venezuela.
This is why NATO didnt enter Syria after Russia entered. They let their proxy TUrkey go in, but obv Turkey wasnt up to the job hence the loud shouts of "support" to TUrkey.


There is nothing today that shows me that NATO Is actually read, able, willing and MOTIVATEd to fight anyone in a serious war( except if they got a serious visible attack, which they would have to respond to because their citizens wouldnt tolerate it either).


NATO is a Defensive allies. they don't want to take anything.

they want to defend them self. and there is a reason Russia has only attacked the two nations that were not members of nato.

10% of NATO (Without Turkey or USA)
would still have a
74 Total Ship and Sub
173 Fighter Jets
14 Ground Attack planes
394 Tanks
1040 IFV
1257 APC
554 indirect fire Systems
56 Attack Copters
154 Heavy/Medium Transportation Copters
240 ADA/AAA Systems
151,600 Total Ground Forces


10% of Russia armed forces
58 total Ships & Submarines
74 Fighters
31 Ground Attack planes
311 tanks
1489 IFV
728 APC
325 Indirect Fire Systems
38 Attack Copters
60 Heavy/Medium Transportation Copters
310 ADA/AA Systems
116,000 Ground Forces, Airborne corp & Marines

 

[Ziggy1977]

Nobody can use Nuclear Weapons


-- huge Russian Army is stronger than all Europe ( Russian MLRS , land based Cruise Missile and Tactical Ballistic Missile fire power can burn tiny European Armies )

-- Russian Air Defense Systems S300 , S350 , S400 , S500 , BUK and TOR can turn all European Airforce Fighter Jets into crap of metal


-- Russia has enough power to destroy all military bases in France and the UK ... then rest of Europe are useless

Russia has long range air launched Ballistic and Cruise Missiles ( 2000-2500km ) KH-55 and KINZHAL
also 660km Submarine and air launched KALIBR Cruise Missiles
Russian BASTION land based supersonic anti ship missile System
Russian 500km ZICRON hypersonic anti ship missile
Russian air launched supersonic anti ship missile 1.000 km KH-32


-- Russia has massive Airforce SU-24 , SU-25 , MIG-29 , MIG-31 , MIG-35 , SU-27 , SU-30 , SU-35 , SU-57 , TU-90 , TU-22 and TU-160 to carry dozens of long range Cruise and anti ship missile family ... ( subsonic/supersonic and hypersonic )


what about Europe ? only 120km SAMP-T air defense System and 500km TAURUS and SCALP air launched Cruise Missiles also 1.000km MdcN naval Cruise Missile ..... NOTHING ELSE


without the US , NATO is 30%

and Turkiye is getting real military power with hundreds of military projects .. also huge Turkish Army and brave warrior Turkish nation will be a big problem for Russia to fight NATO

Russia Air Forces are
Fighters
133 SU30SM (Modern)
56 SU27SM/M2/3 (Modern)
112 SU34 (Modern)
73 SU35 (Modern)
72 MiG29M/K (Capable)
17 SU33 (Capable)
78 SU27 (Capable/Old)
124 MiG31 (Capable/Old)
70 MiG29 (Capable/Old)
735 Total Fighter Jets

111 SU24M
194 SU25
305 Total Ground attack

61 TU22
60 TU95
16 TU160
139 Total Bombers

3 EW Planes
163 ISR/AEWC/C2/ELINT
3 CSAR
15 Fuel Tankers
189 Transport Planes (Heavy/Medium)

101 Military Satellites
12 Ground based Radar

2400 KH-101 (+3000 miles) Long Range Cruise Missile

vs

NATO without USA or Turkey
Fighters
45 F35A/B (Advance)
142 Rafale (Modern)
426 Typhoon (Modern)
28 JAS39 C/D (Modern)
203 F16C/D (Capable)
150 Mirage 2000 (Capable)
252 F16A/B (Capable/Old)
59 MiG29 (Capable/Old)
161 F18A/B (Capable/Old)
34 F4E (Poor)
35 MiG21 (Hopeless)
18 SU-22 (Hopeless)
19 F-5B (Hopeless)
31 AMX (Hopeless)
1665 Total jet Fighters

102 Tornado
26 AV-8B
16 L159
144 Total Ground Attack Planes

290 Transport Planes (Heavy/Medium)
40 EW Jets/Planes
46 ELINT/ISR/AEWC/C2
53 Fuel Tankers
3 CSAR

43 Military Satellites
33 Ground based Radar

in other words
Modern Fighters: NATO 596 vs Russia 374
Capable Fighters: NATO 353 vs Russia 89
Capable Old Fighters: NATO 471 vs Russia 272
Poor Fighters: NATO 34 vs Russia 0
Hopeless: NATO 103 vs Russia 0

Now Russia does have a better Cruise Missile Capability & bomber force. But Russia Bombers are old and will lack Air Support. as NATO Pilots not only have more and Better Fighters. but their pilots train more. Also Russia lacks Planes Capable of mid air refueling. this means they can't just launch plans for Strike or CAP with no real missions. Russia must send it plans up with clear mission. they can't have planes in the air long thus reducing their abilities to do air unplanned air /Naval Air support missions much less CAP missions.

Also their Lack of Airborne Early Warning C3 Capabilities greatly reduces their ability to coordinate forces

Russia does have a large ADA/AAA systems. but they are spread out from Europe to the Pacific. but that not their main weakness. there main weakness is they have a lot of different systems that require different ammo, training, logistical/maintenance support. most of the ADA/AAA is made up of older inferior systems. while NATO has a lot weapons platforms across it forces that use the same ammo and fuel.

now on to Russia Army vs NATO

The total Russian Ground forces plus Airborne & Marines is only 360,000 active soldiers. 0f which a lot are still one year conscription soldiers. that means their so called huge reserve is made up of mostly soldiers that only served 1 year of active time (1 month Basic Training, 1 month Getting out, 10 months in a unit to train). their reserve forces are full of barely trained soldiers who not drill/train.

while nato has a active ground forces of 878,000 Soldiers. their biggest barrier is a large one. Language!!!
Their Reserve Soldiers train more then Russia. but not as much as their US Counter parts.

NATO
Tanks
646 Advance (Leo2A7, Challenger 2, LeClerc, C1)
1,320 Modern (Leo2, PT91)
1,192 Capable (T72, Leo1, M60A3, M84)
535 Poor (M60A1, M48A5, TR85)
260 Hopeless (M48, T55)
3,943 Total Tanks

10,140 Infantry Fighting Vehicles
12,566 Armored Personnel Carriers
22,706 Total

1,896 Self Propelled Artillery
3,097 Towed Artillery
544 Multiple Launch Rockets
5,537 Total indirect Fire Systems

555 Attack/Scout Helicopters
1,535 Transport Helicopters (Heavy/Medium)

2,400 total ADA systems

Russia
Tanks
1,810 Modern (T90, T72B3/M)
1,300 Capable (T80, T72)
3,110 Total Tanks

7,612 Infantry Fighting Vehicles
7,276 Armored Personnel Carriers
14,888 Total

1,773 Self Propelled Artillery
400 Towed Artillery
916 Multiple Rocket Launchers
156 Surface to Surface
3,245 Total In Direct Fire Systems

3,100 ADA

375 Attack Helicopter
600 Transportation Helicopters

now i don't count Russia Tanks & Equipment that in Deep Storage for a for a few military reasons.
1. it mostly older equipment
2. it rotting away
3. it would takes months and hundred of thousands of skilled workers to get them working again.
4. it would take even more Hundred of thousands of Soldiers to support these platforms.
5. they use a lot of ammo that not effective anymore.

Russia three main battle tanks use different parts and require different training for the crew. This is one of the reasons Russia is getting rid of the trash T80 tanks. and for real only have a few T90s. the Bulk of the Russa Tank force is T72 tanks. Russia main Battle Tank is the T72B3M. they are upgrading their active fleet of T72B3s & T72A/Bs to the B3M standard (Smart). but this is taking a long time. same Issue with their IFV/APC, Artillery and Attack Copter forces. they have to many different platforms doing the same jobs. which again means they need different ammo, parts and training for support soldiers. even recovery equipment has this issue. This is a issue that expected out of NATO because it made up over 28 Nations. but Russia has this issue worse then NATO.

and once again Russia has a lot of forces in it Central (13 Maneuver CBT BDEs) & Eastern Military Districts(25 Maneuver CBT BDEs). Not to mention the Russia forces tied down in missions in

Crimea (1 Recon, 2 Naval Inf & 1 Field Artillery BDE)
Georgia (2 Motor Rifle BDE)
Armenia (1 Motor Rifle BDE)
Tajik (1 Motor Rifle BDE)

this means in the Western (29 CBT Maneuver BDEs) & Southern MDs (14 CBT Maneuver BDEs). this includes their reserve formations. the central and Eastern Units by the time they get to the European zone. NATO will have air and sea control.

Russia forces are clearly a defense force vs NATO as it can't defeat NATO with it as the offensive force.

Now with that said NATO would really be able to invade Russia either. Russia forces would be far more powerful in the defense.

there no need to even talk about the russian navy.

 

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Now Russia does have a better Cruise Missile Capability & bomber force. But Russia Bombers are old and will lack Air Support.

Russia will use Fighter Jets to protect its airspace
also S-300 , S-400 and S-500 Air Defense Systems ..... nobody can enter Russian airspace

and Europe doesnt have strategic strike capability
but Russian TU-22 , TU-90 , TU-160 and MIG-31 can carry 660 km KALIBR and 2.400 km KH-101 Cruise missiles , also 1.000 km KH-32 supersonic anti ship missile and 2.000 km KINZHAL hypersonic Ballistic Missile and 3.000km RK-55 land-based and submarine-launched cruise missile to destroy air bases and Aircraft Carries in the UK and France , and game over !

Russia easly can invade Baltics and Polland ... and Europe can not stop Russia

1) all Air bases and air defense Systems will be destroyed by Russia in Baltics and Polland

-- 500km ISKANDER Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- 700km ISKANDER-K land based Cruise Missile
-- 660-1.500km KALIBR Submarine , Warship and Air launched Cruise Missile
-- 500km ZIRCON Submarine launched hypersonic Cruise Missile
-- 600km KH-65SE air launched Cruise Missile
-- 3.000km RK-55 land-based and submarine-launched cruise missile
-- 2.000 km KINZHAL air launched hypersonic Ballistic Missile

2) and Russia can creat A2/AD capability over Baltics and Polland

-- S400 and S500 Air Defense Systems to engage on Aircrafts from 400-500 km away
-- Early Warning Radars and Electronic Warfare Systems
-- Coastal Defense Systems

3) Russia can deploy 1 million soldiers and thousands of Tanks , IFVs , Howitzers , MLRS , mobile Air Defense Systems in Baltics and Polland

4) Russian Airforce SU-27 , SU-30 , SU-34 , SU-35 , SU-57 , MIG-29 , MIG-31 and MIG-35 Fighter Jets have enough combat radius to operate over the Baltics and Polland


RESULT : Europe can not invade Russia but Russia can take Baltics and Polland
and the UK,France,Germany,Italy can not stop Russia without the US and Turkiye

 

[Skull and Bones]

and Turkey develops everything including Engines

So what's stopping the export of helicopters to Pakistan?

 

[MMM-E]

So what's stopping the export of helicopters to Pakistan?

Turkish 1600shp TEI-1400 Turboshaft Engine to power T-129 Attack Helicopter and T-625 Utility Helicopter by 2022

 

[Skull and Bones]

Turkish 1600shp TEI-1400 Turboshaft Engine to power T-129 Attack Helicopter and T-625 Utility Helicopter by 2022

Then your statement will be validated only after 2022.

 

[Ziggy1977]

Russia will use Fighter Jets to protect its airspace
also S-300 , S-400 and S-500 Air Defense Systems ..... nobody can enter Russian airspace

and Europe doesnt have strategic strike capability
but Russian TU-22 , TU-90 , TU-160 and MIG-31 can carry 660 km KALIBR and 2.400 km KH-101 Cruise missiles , also 1.000 km KH-32 supersonic anti ship missile and 2.000 km KINZHAL hypersonic Ballistic Missile and 3.000km RK-55 land-based and submarine-launched cruise missile to destroy air bases and Aircraft Carries in the UK and France , and game over !

Russia easly can invade Baltics and Polland ... and Europe can not stop Russia

1) all Air bases and air defense Systems will be destroyed by Russia in Baltics and Polland

-- 500km ISKANDER Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- 700km ISKANDER-K land based Cruise Missile
-- 660-1.500km KALIBR Submarine , Warship and Air launched Cruise Missile
-- 500km ZIRCON Submarine launched hypersonic Cruise Missile
-- 600km KH-65SE air launched Cruise Missile
-- 3.000km RK-55 land-based and submarine-launched cruise missile
-- 2.000 km KINZHAL air launched hypersonic Ballistic Missile

2) and Russia can creat A2/AD capability over Baltics and Polland

-- S400 and S500 Air Defense Systems to engage on Aircrafts from 400-500 km away
-- Early Warning Radars and Electronic Warfare Systems
-- Coastal Defense Systems

3) Russia can deploy 1 million soldiers and thousands of Tanks , IFVs , Howitzers , MLRS , mobile Air Defense Systems in Baltics and Polland

4) Russian Airforce SU-27 , SU-30 , SU-34 , SU-35 , SU-57 , MIG-29 , MIG-31 and MIG-35 Fighter Jets have enough combat radius to operate over the Baltics and Polland


RESULT : Europe can not invade Russia but Russia can take Baltics and Polland
and the UK,France,Germany,Italy can not stop Russia without the US and Turkiye

let's break this down. time, distance and terrain. Remember Not all of Russia's Ground Forces are located on the border. there are huge distances involved. it would take time to move them in place and supplies. but this would tip NATO off to do the same time. if they tried surprise then it would mean that a lot of their forces would not benear the border.

Baltic nations
wooded and swampy terrain would make for perfect asymmetrical warfare. the Baltic forces are good for urban and woodland/swamp defense only. Russia would have to commit it whole WMD's Airborne corp, 6th CAA and likely the 1st Guard Tank Army to defeat the NATO forces. then the really hard part. holding it against follow on NATO forces and local guerrilla forces . This would take up a lot of Russia's WMD's Combat power.

Poland
it highly unlikely Russia could attack Poland and the Baltics at the same time just using the WMD. not only the lack of military forces but also the logistical issues. the only way they could mount a dual offensive would be if they preposition the Southern & Central MDs' Forces in the jump off points closer to the border and stockpiled supplies. of course NATO would detect this and do likewise. thus neglecting and for real weakening Russia position.

Also to attack Poland they only really have limited avenues of approach
thru the
Baltic nations (while their supply lines are being attack)
Belarus (either against their will, as allies or neutral) unlikely
Ukraine (they would have to fight their way though Ukraine and have to waste a lot of troops in anti partisan actions & garrison). highly unlikely


Norway.
Russia really just has it Marine Forces here. Because Norway really doesn't keep forces in the far far north. this is the one area would Russia would have the most success. but of course. the UK/Norway/Denmark army would be more then a match for the Russia forces in the long run. but terrain and weather would mean they would pay a huge price for limited gains. this is the best area for Russia gains. though limited to northern Norway.

Black Sea Area of Operations (AO)
Russia really can't mount Amphibious operations against Romania, Bulgaria or Greece because of a lack of Naval, Air Support Capabilities and Logistics. Now at first just those forces being there back up by the Southern MD would cause NATO to leave About 31 CBT Maneuver BDEs in the Balkens (Greece, Bulgaria, Romania & Macedonia). but once the Southern Forces are needed in the Baltic/Poland Frontier. then it likely that Nato could mount a Amphibious landing in the Crimea or send them as Reserves to the Baltic/Poland Frontier.

Deployed
Russian forces in Crimea, Georgia & Armenia. will mean that a sizable bit of Russia's Combat power won't be used
1 Recon BDE
2 Marine BDEs
3 Motor Infantry BDEs
6 Total CBT Maneuver BDEs


below is what would happen if Russia tried to get tactical and strategic surprise by attacking with it forces from their current locations.


NATO Forces in Baltic & Poland
Three Baltic Nations have (Active & Reserve) combined Population about 6 million.
2 Mech Infantry BDE
7 Infantry BDEs
3 NATO Mech infantry BN + Support Elements
Total about 10 CBT Maneuver BDEs

210 IFV (NATO & Baltic Forces)
120 Field artillery



Poland population 38.4m
1 NATO Corp HQ
4 Polish Div HQs

4 Armor BDEs
6 Mech Infantry BDEs
3 Recon BDEs
2 Air Assault BDEs
13 Security BDEs (weak light infantry encase of war)
28 total CBT Maneuver BDEs + 1 US ABCT [Not counting in totals]

3 Field Artillery BDEs
1 Cbt Air BDE
4 ADA BDEs
3 Engineer BDEs
2 Logistic BDEs
2 NBC/CBRN BDEs

479 Modern Tanks (Leopard 2A4/5, PT91)
158 Capable Tanks (T72A/M1)
637 Total Tanks

1,636 IFV
607 Indirect Fire Systems
454 ADA Guns/SAMs (including S300C)



Russia
Western Military District

Forward deployed forces
Marine Corp (Kaliningrad) Trapped. Best used as a Fortress or blocking force. to tie down reserves for Baltic AO.
2 Motor Infantry BDEs
1 Marine BDE
3 Total CBT Maneuver BDEs

1 SSM BDE
1 FA BDE
3 ADA BDEs

80 modern Tanks
240 IFVs
260 Indirect Fire Systems

Baltic Invasion Forces
Airborne Corp (best use is against Baltic states).
2 Div HQs
6 Airborne BDEs
3 FA BDEs
3 ADA BDEs

20 Capable Tanks
240 IFVs
108 Indirect fire systems

6th Combined Army (204 KM to Baltic Frontier)
2 Motor Infantry BDEs
2 FA BDEs
1 SSM BDE
1 ADA BDE

80 Capable Tanks
240 IFVs
320 Indirect Fire Systems

Poland Invasion or blocking force. also this force would have to drive through Belarus.
1st Guard Tank Army (is 983 KM from Polish border) or (678 KM to Baltic Frontier)
4 Armor BDEs
4 Motor Infantry BDEs
1 Recon BDE
9 CBT Maneuver BDEs

3 FA BDEs
1SSM BDE
3 ADA BDES

480 Modern Tanks
160 Capable Tanks
640 Total Tanks

780 IFVs
518 Indirect Fire Systems

20th Guard Combined Army (1240 KM to Polish Frontier)
1 Armor BDE
3 Motor Infantry BDEs
4 Total CBT Maneuver BDEs

2 FA BDEs
1 SSM BDE
1 ADA BDE

240 Capable Tanks
400 IFVs
300 Indirect Fire Systems

Western MD Reserves
2 Motor Infantry BDEs (a few months to get personnel mustered)
80 Capable Tanks
240 IFVs
60 Indirect Fire Systems




NATO Reserves

Light & Airborne/Air Assault BDEs can be flown in and arrive really quick. good defensive force
4 Infantry BDEs
4 Airborne BDEs
3 Air Assault BDEs
11 Total BDEs

4 CBT Aviation BDEs (274 CBT Attack Helicopters)
210 Indirect Fire Systems

Heavy/Medium BDEs will need Trains & Roads to move
Hungary (581 KM)
2 Mech Infantry BDEs
1 ADA BDE
6 Infantry BDEs (Reserves) will take time
30 Capable Tanks, 380 IFVs & 20 indirect fire systems

Czech Republic (610 KM)
2 Mech Infantry BDEs, 1 ISR BDE, 1 FA BDE
33 Capable Tanks, 222 IFVs & 48 Indirect Fire Systems

Slovakia (648 KM)
1 Armor & 1 Mech Infantry BDEs
30 Capable Tanks, 239 IFVs & 68 Indirect Fire Systems

UK Forces in Germany (710 KM)
1 Armor BDE
59 Advance Tanks, 509 IFVs, 29 Indirect Fire Systems

Germany (740 KM to polish frontier with Belarus)
5 Mech BDEs, 2 FA BDEs
19 Advance + 217 Modern = 236 Tanks
680 IFVs, 133 Indirect Fire Systems

Total Reserve Force that would arrive to Frontier about same time or before the Russian 1st Guard army arrived
2 Armor BDE
10 Mech Infantry BDEs
4 Infantry BDEs
4 Airborne BDEs
3 Air Assault BDEs
23 Total CBT BDEs

4 CBT Aviation BDEs
3 FA BDEs
1 ADA BDE
1 ISR BDE

78 Advance
217 Modern
93 Capable Tanks
388 Total Tanks
2030 IFVs, 508 Indirect Fire Systems & 274 Attack Helicopters

Netherlands (1209 KM)
2 Mech Infantry BDEs
170 IFVs & 59 Indirect Fire Systems

Belgium (1301 KM)
1 Mech Infantry BDE
127 IFVs, 14 Indirect Fire Systems

Italy (1305 KM)
1 Armor, 5 Mech Infantry & 1 Recon BDEs
1 FA & 1 ADA BDEs
160 Advance Tanks, 687 IFVs, 180 Indirect Fire Systems

France (1400 KM)
2 Armor & 1 Mech Infantry BDEs
2 FA BDEs
200 advance Tanks, 1800 IFVs, 105 Indirect Fire System

Total Forces arriving before or about the same time Russian 20th Guard Army Arrives.
3 Armor BDE
9 Mech Infantry BDEs
1 Recon BDE
13 Total CBT Maneuver BDES

3 FA & 1 ADA BDEs

360 Tanks
3584 IFVs
358 Indirect Fire Systems


Spain/Portugal (2417 KM)
12 Mech Infantry & 1 Recon BDEs
1 FA & 1 ADA BDEs
2 Infantry (Reserves would need time)

358 Modern
21 Capable
379 Total Tanks

602 IFVs, 204 Indirect Fire Systems

UK (has to be shipped)
2 Mech Infantry BDEs
2 FA & 1 ADA BDEs
6 Infantry BDEs (Norway)

NATO Balken Forces (can move to Polish/Baltic Frontier once Southern MD moves. Most can move at ant time before that.)
3 Recon, 5 Armor, 17 Mech Infantry, 8 Infantry, 2 Air Assault & 1 Airborne BDEs =36 total
1 Infantry (reserve)
5 FA,4 ADA, 1 Anti Tank & 1 CBT Avn BDEs

353 Modern, 809 Capable, 375 Poor & 460 Hopeless= 1997 Tanks
864 IFVs, & 2235 Indirect Fire Systems


Russia Reserves
Southern Military District

8th Guard Combined Arms Army (1670 KM)
1 Armor & 1 Motor Infantry BDEs
160 Capable Tanks, 160 IFVs & 60 Indirect Fire Systems

49th Combined Arms Army (2114 KM)
2 Motor Infantry BDEs
1 FA, 1 SSM & 1 ADA BDEs
80 Capable Tanks, 240 IFVs & 130 Indirect Fire Systems

58th Combined Arms Army (2507 KM)
5 Motor Infantry BDEs
2 FA & 1 ADA BDEs
200 Capable, 600 IFVs & 300 Indirect Fire Systems

Reserve
1 Motor Infantry BDE (Will need time)


Central Military District

2nd Guard Tank Army (2167 KM)
5 Motor Infantry BDEs
2 FA & 1 ADA BDEs
100 Modern + 100 Capable Tanks, 600 IFVs & 310 Indirect Fire Systems

Military District Forces (2917 KM)
2 Armor, 2 Motor Infantry & 1 Airborne BDEs
2 ADA BDEs
280 Capable Tanks, 200 IFVs, 90 Indirect Fire Systems

41st Combined Arms Army (4,463 KM)
4 Motor Infantry BDEs
1 FA, 1 SSM & 1 ADA BDEs
160 Capable Tanks, 480 IFVs, 210 Indirect Fire Systems

Eastern military District by the time they moved all of NATO's reserves will be up and deployed.
36st CAA (6577 KM)
29th CAA (7087 KM)
35th CAA (7512 KM)
EMD's Forces (8771 KM)
5th Combined Arms Army (9370 KM)


about the S300 and S400 systems.

Syrian military criticized the Russian S-300 missile defence system, saying that it was largely ineffective against Israeli air strikes. Syrian military sources talking to the Russian outlet Avia.pro said that the radar used on the S-300 and the Pantsir-S system had proven to be incapable of detecting and hitting Israeli cruise missiles on numerous occasions.

Also NATO has done Training against the S300 as members of NATO have it and have used it in joint training events.

also most of the S300 & S400s are located at Russian Airbases to protect them. not on the border or close to the border. where Russian Fighter Jets will be getting Shot down.

the Remaining are based at Naval Bases.

also the S400 longest flying Missile is 250Km. while S300 is 125KM. and they have few of those. the radar is also limited on the number of targets it can detect at one time. and because of Russia lack of AEWC3s it doesn't have them to help with it battle management.


it confusing. but because of distances. NATO can not only have more forces overall in the main AO. but will maintain that.

I didn't even count NATO's 5 Marines BDEs. that they will be able to use either in Norway, Crimea or baltic sea.

like i said NATO doesn't really have the will to invade Russia nor the size and logics.

But Russia doesn't have the force structure or logistical support to even take then hold the Baltic nations much less Poland. Not to mention. Their Train Track Capabilities can't move that much equipment. slowing down their ability to move all those heavy units.

In closing.
If Russia was dumb enough for this they would risk all of putin's limited gains and likely lose them all.
1. 8th CAA is the only thing stopping Ukraine from retaking all of the Donbas.
2. Georgia would take back it two provinces if those two Motor Infantry BDEs left.
3. Ukraine would then take Crimea back once a weaken russia lost the war. or NATO could take and give it to them.

and for what to try to take the baltic.

anyone can punch a sleeping lion. but what do you do after you punch it and you don't have any weapons and it awake now?

 

[BON PLAN]

Turkey is called the second largest power in NATO in the media, because of our troop number which is second to US.

I remember when some said Irak was the 3rd or 4th best army of the world in 1991...
They were smashed in a few days.
Quantity is one thing, quality another. No arab country is very strong. Just ask Israel their opinion.

 

[MMM-E]

I remember when some said Irak was the 3rd or 4th best army of the world in 1991...
They were smashed in a few days.
Quantity is one thing, quality another. No arab country is very strong. Just ask Israel their opinion.

American backed KESNIZANI betrayed SADDAM
and KESNİZANI controlled Iraqi Military did not fight against the US and the UK

Thanks to president ERDOGAN that he cleaned the Turkish Armed Forces from American backed traitor FETO Organization
over 15.000 FETO linked soldiers including 151 GULENIST generals were kicked out of the Turkish Armed Forces after failed coup attempt by the US backed FETO terror organization 15 july 2016


I remind you CIA activities in Iraq and Turkey

FETO in Turkey
KESNIZANI in Iraq

The Kesnizani sect was founded by MOSSAD and the CIA to demolish Saddam
and The KESNIZANI sect contributed to the Iraqi army's dissolution , and they gave Iraq to the US
but FETO failed in Turkey , because of brave and ultra nationalist Turkish people



btw Turkish Army has better quantity and quality than tiny and weak French , British and German Armies

 

[BON PLAN]

Turkish 1600shp TEI-1400 Turboshaft Engine to power T-129 Attack Helicopter and T-625 Utility Helicopter by 2022

2022 + 8 years of refinements..... more probable 2030.

American backed KESNIZANI betrayed SADDAM
and KESNİZANI controlled Iraqi Military did not fight against the US and the UK

Thanks to president ERDOGAN that he cleaned the Turkish Armed Forces from American backed traitor FETO Organization
over 15.000 FETO linked soldiers including 151 GULENIST generals were kicked out of the Turkish Armed Forces after failed coup attempt by the US backed FETO terror organization 15 july 2016


I remind you CIA activities in Iraq and Turkey

FETO in Turkey
KESNIZANI in Iraq

The Kesnizani sect was founded by MOSSAD and the CIA to demolish Saddam
and The KESNIZANI sect contributed to the Iraqi army's dissolution , and they gave Iraq to the US
but FETO failed in Turkey , because of brave and ultra nationalist Turkish people



btw Turkish Army has better quantity and quality than tiny and weak French , British and German Armies

LOL.
We have seen near Syrian border how your were skilled. Specially the Leopard MBT destroyed in the middle of the field.

You are far from being strong. A giant with clay feet.

Erdogan has a big mouth but not so much in the pants.