NATO MILITARY POWER 2019 (1000 Warships, 5000 Fighter Jets, 25.000 Airplanes)

[Secularindian]

only watch .. I am saying again Turkish Army is stronger than French+British+German Armies combined

you shown German Leopard tank as your Super technologyWhile Atlay is Still in far from production in 2023 And use German Rheinmetall Rh-120 gun

Other is Turkish version of M109
Bundeswehr is Sleeping Giant Don't Awoken the Reich You Will not Last Against Germans Industrial might Let Alone UK And french in different league

which u are suggesting. Remove Turkey and US and NATO will loose more than 70℅ of its overall power.

@BON PLAN

Problem Here Many Guys Here think Quantity Alone can win you
Europeans Are Fought for millennia they Learned And Did not Posses Hegemonic designs Like Others
they focused More on HDI And human development

fanboi's take this as there Weakness and Soft attitude

The Three Powerful Ancient nations are not focused Being global police like Yankees

But Do not take it as there Weakness If the Need Arises Germany alone can Take Whole Middle East And Russians into there cover Turkey Just Another Nation in there List

UK ,France ,Germany posses Power To Be Ruthless And Hegemonic like Yankees they are great military powers And industrial giants

 

[MMM-E]

you shown German Leopard tank as your Super technology

There is no Leopard Tank on video
and even American M1A2 Tank use German Rheinmetall 120mm Gun

btw We prefer 200 Turkish UCAVs instead of 2.000 German Leopard Tanks which will be destroyed by Turkish UCAVs in a few days

even Europe,Russia,India are dreaming about this UCAV technology

 

[Secularindian]

btw We prefer 200 Turkish UCAVs instead of 2.000 German Leopard Tanks which will be destroyed by Turkish UCAVs in a few days

even Europe,Russia,India are dreaming about this UCAV technology

BAE Mantis

They are Miles ahead in Drone tech research than turkey

 

[BON PLAN]

Turkish and Pakistani soldiers are best in the world.

LOL.
The funniest thing read until at least one year....

Both are independently carried out Nuclear Tests And research
They both operate SSBN Fleets
Specially France Which has Its own SLBM's And its own Fighter aircraft

UK missiles are US Trident 2.
UK nuclear warheads are under a 2 keys system. One key is in Donald pocket....
UK warheads are made with UK plutonium, but with US design.

=> So UK is not really independant in the deterence field

Bundeswehr is Sleeping Giant Don't Awoken the Reich You Will not Last Against Germans Industrial might Let Alone UK And french in different league

German army is very asleep... Do they make war again? The disponibility of materials is low, training of soldiers.... unchallenged because they remain in germany or sometime outside but only as blue helmet force.

Industrially it's another thing, indeed. But except the great success of Leopard MBT, nothing really impressive, isn'it?

Problem Here Many Guys Here think Quantity Alone can win you
Europeans Are Fought for millennia they Learned And Did not Posses Hegemonic designs Like Others
they focused More on HDI And human development

fanboi's take this as there Weakness and Soft attitude

The Three Powerful Ancient nations are not focused Being global police like Yankees

But Do not take it as there Weakness If the Need Arises Germany alone can Take Whole Middle East And Russians into there cover Turkey Just Another Nation in there List

UK ,France ,Germany posses Power To Be Ruthless And Hegemonic like Yankees they are great military powers And industrial giants

Agree.

 

[-SINAN-]

You may also want to exclude Turkey, the second largest power in NATO. Something about "a friend in need is a friend indeed" that the West didn't understand.

Turkey is called the second largest power in NATO in the media, because of our troop number which is second to US.

I don't know if we are really the second strongest...for instance we don't have air craft carriers or Nukes like France and UK does.

Western media generally uses that term to make their news more sensational.
Like "NATO's second largest power buying S-400 missile from Russia".

 

[Constantin84]

Turkey is called the second largest power in NATO in the media, because of our troop number which is second to US.

I don't know if we are really the second strongest...for instance we don't have air craft carriers or Nukes like France and UK does.

Western media generally uses that term to make their news more sensational.
Like "NATO's second largest power buying S-400 missile from Russia".


Man, i have so many things i want to ask/talk with you.....we have a telegram group with the some level-head PDF users would you and @Constantin84 like to join?

Count me in.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Yes NATO is very powerful so powerful that when Russia took Crimea they announced 4 weeks of exercises

then when they took Eastern Ukraine they announced more sanctions and more exercises this time 6 weeks

so basically they have no problem even of Russia takes over France then they will do 8 week exercises

Ukraine is not a NATO member state.

 

[-SINAN-]

Count me in.

Okay, let me do the arrangements.

@Vergennes

I replied to wrong French above.
Man, i have so many things i want to ask/talk with you.....we have a telegram group with the some level-head PDF users would you and @Constantin84 like to join?

 

[Vergennes]

Yes NATO is very powerful so powerful that when Russia took Crimea they announced 4 weeks of exercises

then when they took Eastern Ukraine they announced more sanctions and more exercises this time 6 weeks

so basically they have no problem even of Russia takes over France then they will do 8 week exercises

Bad exemple. Under which obligations NATO had to intervene in or assist Ukraine against Russia ? None. No treaty,nothing,rien,nada.

Same as those trolls claiming NATO is toothless and did nothing when Russia invaded Georgia. Same case again here. How many member states have been invaded or attacked by Russia ? None. Russia knows very well there won't be any exercices in case they invade or attack directly a NATO member.

Okay, let me do the arrangements.

@Vergennes

I replied to wrong French above.
Man, i have so many things i want to ask/talk with you.....we have a telegram group with the some level-head PDF users would you and @Constantin84 like to join?

I don't have telegram but I would be ready to join,why not.

 

[Ziggy1977]

NATO's Military forces without the USA or Turkey

Naval Forces
Major Warships
1 Nuclear-powered Aircraft Carrier (CVN)
2 Aircraft Carriers (CV)
2 Aircraft Carriers VSTOL (CVS)
6 Amphibious Helicopter Docks (LHD)
49 Destroyer Anti Ship Missile, Hanger & SAM (DDGHM)
3 Destroyer Hanger & SAM (DDHM)
1 Destroyer Sam (DDM)
2 Destroyer Hangers (DDH)
73 Frigates Anti Ship Missiles, Hanger & SAM (FFGHM)
5 Frigates Anti Ship Missiles & SAM (FFGM)
3 Frigates Anti Ship Missiles (FFG)
1 Frigate (FF)
6 Amphibious Transportation Docks (LPD)
3 Amphibious Docking Ship (LSD)
157 Total Major warships

Minor Warship & Coastal Ships
20 Corvette (Cor)
154 Large Patrol Ships (PC)
160 Mine Warfare Ships (MWS)
5 Landing Ship Tanks (LST)
5 Landing Ship Medium (LSM)
282 Logistic & Support Ships (Log)
526 Total Minor Warships & Coastal Ships

Conventional Submarines
12 Nuclear-powered Attack Submarines (SSN)
47 Diesel-powered Attack Submarines
59 Total Submarines

Air Wing
18 F35B (Advance)
42 Rafale (Modern)

60 Total Fighters

26 AV-8B Ground Attack
281 Anti Submarine Warfare (ASW)
7 Airborne Early Warning & Control (AEWC)

Air Forces
27 F35A/B (Advance)
100 Rafale (Modern)
426 Typhoon (Modern)
28 JAS39 C/D (Modern)
203 F16C/D (Capable)
150 Mirage 2000 (Capable)
252 F16A/B (Capable/Old)
59 MiG29 (Capable/Old)
161 F18A/B (Capable/Old)
34 F4E (Poor)
35 MiG21 (Hopeless)
18 SU-22 (Hopeless)
19 F-5B (Hopeless)
31 AMX (Hopeless)
1665 Total jet Fighters

Fighter Pilots Avg 170 Hours Flight hours a year.

102 Tornado
16 L159 (junk)
118 Total Ground Attack Planes

290 Transport Planes (Heavy/Medium)
40 EW Jets/Planes
39 ELINT/ISR/AEWC/C2
53 Fuel Tankers
3 CSAR

43 Military Satellites
33 Ground based Radar

Ground forces & Marines
878,655 Active Soldiers
637,500 Reserve/National Guard
1,516,155 Total Soldiers

646 Advance (Leo2A7, Chall2, LeCler, C1)
1,320 Modern (Leo2, PT91)
1,192 Capable (T72, Leo1, M60A3, M84)
535 Poor (M60A1, M48A5, TR85)
260 Hopeless (M48, T55)
3,943 Total Tanks

10,140 Infantry Fighting Vehicles
12,566 Armored Personnel Carriers
22,706 Total

1,896 Self Propelled Artillery
3,097 Towed Artillery
544 Multiple Launch Rockets
5,537 Total indirect Fire Systems

555 Attack/Scout Helicopters
1,535 Transport Helicopters (Heavy/Medium)

2,400 total ADA systems

Order of Battle
1 NATO Command HQ
3 Army HQs
8 Corps HQs
1 Logistic Corp HQ
25 Division HQs

Brigades size units
17 Armored
67 Mech Infantry
47 Infantry
6 Airborne
7 Air Assault/Air Mobile
7 Marines/Amphibious
10 Recon/Scout
150 Total Maneuvers Brigades

12 Field Artillery
9 ADA
7 Combat Air
1 Anti Tank
29 Total Combat Support Brigades

Enabler Brigades
24 Logistic/Support
14 Engineer
2 MP
3 Military Intel
1 EOD
12 Signal
3 Medical
1 Transportation
3 NBC/CBRN
4 Electric Warfare

67 Total Enabler Brigades

this is what less then 2% of GDP gets you. NATO Nations have a lot of ability and capability to Surge grow in case of war. encase of war they could surge their spending to 5% which would allow them to have a even bigger military force.

 

[donkeykong]

Just in time for a civil war between the warhawk conservatives and the liberal LGBT socialists.

 

[Ziggy1977]

Bad exemple. Under which obligations NATO had to intervene in or assist Ukraine against Russia ? None. No treaty,nothing,rien,nada.

Same as those trolls claiming NATO is toothless and did nothing when Russia invaded Georgia. Same case again here. How many member states have been invaded or attacked by Russia ? None. Russia knows very well there won't be any exercices in case they invade or attack directly a NATO member.



I don't have telegram but I would be ready to join,why not.

Exactly Russia doesn't have the ability to attack NATO. even a NATO without the USA and Turkey is to much for Russia.

Russia fared poorly in conventional warfare vs both Georgian Forces & Ukrainian.

 

[AUz]

The Three Powerful Ancient nations are not focused Being global police like Yankees

But Do not take it as there Weakness If the Need Arises Germany alone can Take Whole Middle East And Russians into there cover Turkey Just Another Nation in there List

UK ,France ,Germany posses Power To Be Ruthless And Hegemonic like Yankees they are great military powers And industrial giants

Yeah, no. current Germany can't take entire Middle-East on its own nor can France/UK be global hegemons like the US.

Only gullible internet sycophantic idiots like you will think that the wars and physical colonial domination like the past is possible anymore. Its not. The amount of resources it'd take Germany to subdue and physically occupy just Egypt (100 million+ people!) is WAY too much than what Germany can afford (unless Germany literally wants to do a national economic suicide just to occupy Egypt for no reason?). The wars of past made economic sense. They dont today. You fight wars for your self-interest....not to prove to losers on the internet about how 'powerful' you are.

Its easy to rant idiotically about XYZ.....but in real world, we dont live in 1750 world anymore. In their current state, UK or France or Germany will be decimated if they tried to launch a full-scale invasion and occupation of Turkey on their own (without any foreign intervention etc)----let alone 'entire middle east'

Its militarily, and most importantly....economically....not feasible anymore.

I'm just surprised @Vergennes is stoking his little French ego at these laughingly stupid comments. He knows better

France is a more technological advanced country than Turkey or Middle-East etc...sure. But can it militarily occupy/invade Turkey? LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO I mean, yeah why not? Afterall, writing internet mental masturbations cost nobody nothing

Turkey has a better chance of re-creating the Ottoman Empire by occupying Greece and Balkans than France or UK has a chance of occupying Middle-East physically.

And Turkish chance of occupying Greece and Balkans physically is like 0.001% (if that) lol

 

[Vergennes]

Yeah, no. current Germany can't take entire Middle-East on its own nor can France/UK be global hegemons like the US.

Only gullible internet sycophantic idiots like you will think that the wars and physical colonial domination like the past is possible anymore. Its not. The amount of resources it'd take Germany to subdue and physically occupy just Egypt (100 million+ people!) is WAY too much than what Germany can afford (unless Germany literally wants to do a national economic suicide just to occupy Egypt for no reason?). The wars of past made economic sense. They dont today. You fight wars for your self-interest....not to prove to losers on the internet about how 'powerful' you are.

Its easy to rant idiotically about XYZ.....but in real world, we dont live in 1750 world anymore. In their current state, UK or France or Germany will be decimated if they tried to launch a full-scale invasion and occupation of Turkey on their own (without any foreign intervention etc)----let alone 'entire middle east'

Its militarily, and most importantly....economically....not feasible anymore.

I'm just surprised @Vergennes is stoking his little French ego at these laughingly stupid comments. He knows better

France is a more technological advanced country than Turkey or Middle-East etc...sure. But can it militarily occupy/invade Turkey? LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO I mean, yeah why not? Afterall, writing internet mental masturbations cost nobody nothing

Turkey has a better chance of re-creating the Ottoman Empire by occupying Greece and Balkans than France or UK has a chance of occupying Middle-East physically.

And Turkish chance of occupying Greece and Balkans physically is like 0.001% (if that) lol

The only one I see exercising mental masturbation over here is you.

 

[MMM-E]

BAE Mantis

They are Miles ahead in Drone tech research than turkey

as of 2020 Europe doesnt have its own UCAV


and NEURON , TARANIS will be in service by 2030s
and MANTIS is a joke

therefore the UK,France,Germany,Italy use American or Israeli UAV-UCAVs


Turkish Bayraktar TB-2 , ANKA-S , AKSUNGUR and AKINCI also jet engine powered MIUS UCAV until 2023

Turkiye is miles ahead in Drone tech research than all Europe

Turkey is called the second largest power in NATO in the media, because of our troop number which is second to US.

Turkish Army is the 2nd strongest Army in NATO after the US Army ( Turkish Army has more Howitzers , MLRS , Tactical Ballistic Missiles and UCAVs than British+French+German+Italian Armies combined )

but Airforce and Navy ? ..... The US blocked transfer of F-35s to Turkish Airforce and Navy

and Turkiye lacks Nuclear weapons