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NATO In Panic Following US Pullout Plan

the war in afghanistan is called the war on terror, not the war of OBL. The presence of Taliban in afghanistan is very strong and they are still standing strong. The battle was won but the war is lost
 
dude they got their @sses kicked.

I love the way you so eloquently put it lol. But damned right you are.

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They came to kill laden and they did it....

at a cost that their empire is declining

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Everything in the article is right and I agree with the two articles.
Nato has to leave Afghanistan soon, or they will become bankrupt.

they are going bust whatever happens
 
But guys Osamas thrust was to bleed them economically. in fact the attack on twin towers was symbolic and an attack on western capitalism. There are articles left and right about the systemic failure and the start of the demise of america as an economic power, So who won?
 
the war in afghanistan is called the war on terror, not the war of OBL. The presence of Taliban in afghanistan is very strong and they are still standing strong. The battle was won but the war is lost

U.S. Committed to Losing Afghan War - Never before has a country actively tried to lose a war - Sunday 25 September 2011, by Matthew Nasuti

The Taliban continue to be funded by opium and U.S. tax dollars and can operate relatively freely from safe havens in Pakistan. Their numbers have now reportedly risen to over 40,000. Based on current conditions they can continue to wage this war indefinitely, while U.S. and NATO efforts wind down due to exhaustion.

So, Taliban Recruitment is going stronger day by day. Also, every year thousands of Afghans and Taliban are killed by America and NATO in Afghanistan and FATA areas of Pakistan, yet they seem to struggle & loose control. Infact, Europeans and US has a force of more than 200,000 + thousands of Civilian Contractors/Officers and then ANA Army & Afghan Police personnel above 100,000 opposed 40,000 -- 60,000 Afghan Freedom Fighters, yet Afghanistan is not fully secure, rather fully blamed on Pakistan that mess, oh OPERATION Enduring FREEDOM, Where are ya?

I have seen first time in real life, countries - America, and Europe becoming Criminal State sponsor states with so much innocent blood on their hands. Do u want to be a gulity American / European now, and be a citizen for rest of life?

Pakistan "Haqqani Network": Latest Orchestrated Threat to US - Wednesday, 28 September 2011, 1:55 pm - Article: Paul Craig Roberts

Have you ever before heard of the Haqqanis? I didn’t think so. Like Al Qaeda, about which no one had ever heard prior to 9/11, the “Haqqani Network” has popped up in time of need to justify America’s next war--Pakistan. President Obama’s claim that he had Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden exterminated deflated the threat from that long-serving bogyman. A terror organization that left its leader, unarmed and undefended, a sitting duck for assassination no longer seemed formidable. Time for a new, more threatening, bogyman, the pursuit of which will keep the “war on terror” going.

Now America’s “worst enemy” is the Haqqanis. Moreover, unlike Al Qaeda, which was never tied to a country, the Haqqani Network, according to Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, is a “veritable arm” of the Pakistani government’s intelligence service, ISI. Washington claims that the ISI ordered its Haggani Network to attack the US Embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan, on September 13 along with the US military base in Wadak province.

There are more stronger groups like Hekmatyar Network with fighters, "Hezbi Islami", Afghan Taliban the largest fraction fighting in Afghanistan which is basically the local population of Afghanistan, the Civilian Fighters who are trying to liberate Afghanistan.

Then we have fractions of Iran, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Hazaras, Pakistanis, and huge provincial tribes under Mullah Omarso on and on helping the brother country Afghanistan, and fighting the power game.

Its a LOST war for NATO and America !!!
 
Define real terrorist please. Cause I would like to provoke you by saying that the Taliban are freedom fighters in Pakistan doing all those bombings in the name of FREEDOM! The Pakistani govt. are the real terrorists.

Here comes the Internet warrior man wash ur face, ur Peace Loving govt is kicking ur *** in wall street and soon will be knocking ur door to give a piece of "PEACE". U people have to pay trillions of dollars means u have no right to teach us about FREEDOM. You people are also slaves of banks which is running ur govt.

And for ur Terrorist definition let me dip it into ur thick skull


A real terrorist means,
>the country who uses Nukes and kill more than 200000 people in minutes.
>who kill more than millions of people in Vietnam.
>who kills between 100,000 to 200,000 people in First gulf war.
>who kills more than 200,000 afghan in so called WOT
>who kills more than 650,000 during Iraq occupation.

And now go in front of mirror and ask urself , do u people deserve to live U PEOPLE ARE THE WORST NATION THAT EVER LIVED ON THE SURFACE OF THIS PLANET.

Further more all these people died just in last 60 years since u started showing ur fangs.

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Daily Brief: U.S. Held Secret Meeting with Haqqanis

Behind closed doors

Unnamed U.S. officials told ABC News that the United States had held a meeting in recent months, reportedly set up by Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI), with the Pakistan-based militant group the Haqqani Network (ABC - U.S., Pakistan Struggle With Haqqani Insurgents, Each Other - ABC News). The de facto leader of the group, Sirajuddin Haqqani, confirmed the meeting on Monday, telling the BBC Pashto service that the United States had approached him about joining the Afghan government (AP -- http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/10/03/world/europe/AP-EU-Britain-Haqqani.html?ref=world).

Daily Brief: U.S. held secret meeting with Haqqanis | The AfPak Channel
 
Before Lashing Out, U.S. and Pakistani Intel Reached Out to Insurgent Group

Eleven days ago, the United States' top military official seemed to sum up Washington's current relationship with Pakistan when he accused the country's premiere intelligence service of supporting insurgents who attacked the U.S. embassy in Kabul.

But what Admiral Mike Mullen did not say is that the U.S. had secretly met with a member of that same insurgent group -- known as the Haqqani network -- as part of efforts to find a political end to the war in Afghanistan, and that the institution that helped set up the meeting was the same intelligence agency he had condemned: the Directorate of Inter Services Intelligence, or I.S.I.

The meeting, according to two current U.S. officials and a former U.S. official, was held in the months before the Sept. 13 attack on the U.S. embassy and NATO's military headquarters, which U.S. officials have blamed on the Haqqani network. In his congressional testimony Sept. 22, Mullen called the Haqqanis a "veritable arm" of the I.S.I., but failed to mention that the I.S.I. facilitated the meeting between the U.S. and Ibrahim Haqqani, a son of founder Jalaluddin Haqqani and a major player in the group, according to a senior U.S. official.

The meeting suggests there is much more to the recent spat between Islamabad and Washington while the violence in Afghanistan has increased as U.S. troops have begun to withdraw. At stake, U.S. officials said, is how they will try to reduce the violence in Afghanistan and to what extent Pakistan will be allowed a say.


From Pakistan's point of view, military and intelligence officials have long argued that their connections with the Haqqani network -- going back decades in the Pakistani tribal areas and in Afghanistan -- can facilitate the only way to end the war: through political negotiation. But for U.S. officials, even as the debate in Washington continues over the best way to wind down the war, there was a high-level decision after the embassy attack to name and shame the I.S.I. for supporting the Haqqanis, hoping it would work where no previous pressure or incentives placed on Pakistan had worked, according to a senior Western official.

The very public criticism of the I.S.I. was also a sign of American military frustration.

The U.S. was also enraged by what seemed to be either apathy or connivance in the single most violent attack of the war as far as injuries to U.S. soldiers. Three days before the embassy bombing, a truck bomb blew up outside an American base outside Kabul, injuring 77 soldiers. Just days before that, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. John Allen, had made his first visit to Pakistan's military headquarters. During the visit, according to a separate senior U.S. official, he asked Chief of the Army Staff Gen. Pervez Ashfaq Kayani to try to stop a truck bomb that the U.S. believed was about to target U.S. soldiers. Kayani offered to help, the official said, but the bomb blew up anyway. Allen's request was first reported by The Guardian.

The fact that the U.S. and Pakistani intelligence service set up the meeting with Haqqani and discussed how to stop a Haqqani attack suggests a much more nuanced -- and very often, confounding -- relationship with Pakistan's intelligence service than Adm. Mullen and other military officials have publicly admitted in the last two weeks.

The Pakistanis, in turn, have tried to portray themselves as the victims of a smear campaign headed by Mullen. As Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari wrote in the Washington Post Friday, "While we are accused of harboring extremism, the United States is engaged in outreach and negotiations with the very same groups."

Complicating matters is the deteriorating relationship between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Afghan officials have jumped on American criticism of Pakistan to threaten to cut off bilateral attempts to make peace. President Hamid Karzai, responding to massive pressure from political parties that have long opposed the Taliban, has slightly changed his tune on Pakistan in the last two weeks.


Up until the assassination of former President Burhannudin Rabbani on Sept. 20, Karzai was the most vocal Afghan proponent of a strong bilateral relationship between Afghanistan and Pakistan. As early as one year ago, a senior advisor told ABC News that Pakistan could "help deliver a peace that the U.S. can't."

But since Rabbani's death, Karzai has criticized the Pakistani government for not helping the peace process. In a nationally televised speech tonight, he repeated that criticism and named the many Afghan officials believed to have been targeted by Pakistan-based militants. Still, he said he hoped the two "brotherly" countries could work together.

U.S. officials are trying to encourage the bilateral relationship and reschedule a tripartite meeting about Afghan reconciliation that was scheduled for Oct. 8, but has been indefinitely postponed by Karzai. U.S. diplomatic officials argue that without a robust dialogue between all three countries, there is little chance that the violence in Afghanistan will reduce.

But still, they admit they have little to show for efforts to find a political settlement to the war.

Asked whether the meeting with Ibrahim Haqqani meeting produced any results, a U.S. official responded with a one-word answer: "no."


Page 2: U.S., Pakistan Struggle With Haqqani Insurgents, Each Other - ABC News
 
Their aim of stopping terrorists from attacking US and disbanding terror groups succeeded .
They won

yaar forgod sake dont always **** American **** they already admitted their lost in many ways! and you are defending americans like they are ****
 
October 6, 2011

Francis Matthew, Editor at Large

Nato cannot show much for a decade of Afghan war

The country faces an uncertain future after foreign troops pull out, when tribal and militia forces will fight for larger share of power



This weekend is the sad 10th anniversary of Nato's invasion of Afghanistan, but the terrible truth is that all the killing and political turmoil have failed to offer Afghanistan a better future. Instead, that poor country faces a very uncertain time as Nato forces prepare to withdraw, leaving the warlords (or regional governors) and the Afghan government to try to find some kind of new balance of power.

Afghanistan's two-to-five-year outlook has to be of continuing disintegration because the process of rebalancing will not be done by peaceful conversations, but by militia and tribal forces fighting to take control of what they can. There is little reason to see why the central government should succeed, nor why Nato (or anyone else) should commit to staying and enforcing security all over the country

The Nato military operation has not been a great success, and there is little to show for the appalling cost in both money and lives. It is true that the Taliban government was toppled in a matter of a few weeks in 2001, but the hopeless confusion for the next 10 years has meant that in 2011, the American-led coalition still has more than 154,000 troops stationed in the country, and the fighting is as fierce as ever, with little prospect of a negotiated peace emerging.

The security situation has deteriorated is many parts of the country, as a very confused strategy is being implemented. Nato is seeking to defeat the Taliban militarily while at the same time starting substantive talks with them. Unsurprisingly, even those Taliban leaders who might want to talk have little incentive to try when they may be shot by the Americans, or by the hard men on their own side for trying to make peace.

The much lamented General Stanley McChrystal was sacked by President Barack Obama and replaced by General David Petraeus, who has now been moved again to take charge of the CIA. But the change of strategy with the change of generals was later condemned by the British Ambassador, Sir Sherard Cowper-Coles, who said: "What is so sad is that Petraeus' tactic of ramping up violence, trebling the forces and reversing McChrystal's policy of protecting the civilian population is in the hope that it will frighten and beat the Taliban into submission.

"Petraeus hopes that the Taliban will surrender, but they won't. And Petraeus' strategy of violence is taking out precisely those slightly older commanders that are more likely to want to do a deal. So by forcing down the average age of the fighting commanders, he is making the Taliban more radical and less tractable."

The US has spent close to $450 billion (Dh1.652 trillion) on supporting its troops in Afghanistan over the 10 years, money it can ill afford in the present financial crisis. More than 10,000 people were killed in 2010 alone. While over 2,700 coalition servicemen have been killed in the 10 years, tens of thousands of Afghans and Pakistanis have died as well.

All this waste has happened in a war in which the Nato political leaders lost control, and failed to stick to a clear aim. Nato's invasion started with the intention of capturing or killing Al Qaida members, as well as toppling the Taliban government which supported Al Qaida. This mission failed, and Nato drifted into a more general pacification role for all of Afghanistan. And once President Hamid Karzai was in office, the Nato troops took on even more varied duties as they were tasked with fighting the drugs trade, supporting the Afghan forces, and also fighting insurgents. At one stage, the Taliban had almost stopped fighting. But in the last few years when the coalition forces were sent out against them and the drone attacks increased, the Taliban rallied and returned to war, getting to the present situation in which they seem ready to wait out Nato and see no need to get involved in peace talks when they think they are more likely to be able to walk back into Kabul under their own authority in a matter of a year or so.

Arab horror


The Arab states in the Gulf have been watching events with horror, but have not done much other than support the US, although the Saudis have gone one step further by trying to engage the Taliban in a conversation about a negotiated future. The Arabs have very strong interest in seeing a stable Pakistan and Afghanistan. Thousands of disaffected young Gulf nationals have gone to Afghanistan and learnt how to become militant. Traditional trade and investment with both countries is harmed by the continuing confusion.

And there is a long-term awareness that if Nato really does pull out, leaving Afghanistan to its own devices, the Chinese will not be able to sit by as radical Islamist forces take control of areas of Afghanistan, with the potential to build up bases for disaffected Uighurs from China's own Muslim population.

Chinese intervention is a distinct possibility if the Taliban or survivors from Al Qaida establish links with like-minded Uighurs.

gulfnews : Nato cannot show much for a decade of Afghan war
 
France mulling pulling out of Afghanistan

slowly all of them are pulling out its a war they never wanted in a first place us needs to go for the peace talks fast or they will seriously have nothing to show for ten years of occupation
 
lol. NATO got there kicked by a bucnh of boys with few weapons. NATO with all air power and gadget could not fight with these boys.

Afghanistan is no longer HQ for terrorism ? HAHAHA. Most of Afghanistan more than 50% is under controll of Taliban. NATO cant freely move every were.

And also remeber USA is still in Afghanistan and will be with few 1000 soldiers. They will never leave Afghanistan.

how can a pro Talibani and Al Qaida person like you is allowed to reside in Norway? amazing
 
the war in afghanistan is called the war on terror, not the war of OBL. The presence of Taliban in afghanistan is very strong and they are still standing strong. The battle was won but the war is lost

OBL was a terrorist not an Islamic Warrior. and war against OBL is indeed war against terrorism.
 
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