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^ Its ethnic cleansing when an entire district was more than 60% Muslim prior to 1947 that became 0% Muslim after 1947.

As I said before Pakistan still has Sikhs and Hindus. The percentage never reached 0% for them like it did for Muslims in Firozpur, India.
 
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Its ethnic cleansing when an entire district was more than 60% Muslim prior to 1947 that became 0% Muslim after 1947.

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Does it matter where people got killed? So if some people were killed in certain boundry, it's ethnic cleansing and if other people got killed in larger boundry they are not?

As I said before Pakistan still has Sikhs and Hindus. The percentage never reached 0% for them like it did for Muslims in Firozpur, India.

East Punjab still have muslims, infact in very large number. You just trying to compare district, but it does not matter Omar. Ethnic cleansing is not designated to districs, it can be state and country. Hundered and thousands of died on Eastern Punjab and hundered and thousands of dies on western punjab. They were all punjabies. Punjab blead more than rest of India. Punjabiat was paralized that day. Ethnic cleansing was commited on BOTH sides.:tsk:
 
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^ Whatever you want to call it. The truth of the matter is Indians wiped out the entire Muslim population of a district that was once Muslim majority.
 
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^ Whatever you want to call it. The truth of the matter is Indians wiped out the entire Muslim population of a district that was once Muslim majority.

Whatever you want to call it. The truth of the matter is Indians wiped out the entire Muslim population of district that was once Muslim populations and Pakistanies almost wiped out the entire population of Hindus and Sikh a state that was thier home for centuries.

Both are equally responsible, regarless of where ethnic cleansing took place.
 
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Almost wiped out? Sikhs and Hindus were minorities in the region of Pakistan prior to partition. Many left to India and some were killed, and some stayed in Pakistan.

And where do you think we Muslim Punjabis came from? The sky?
 
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Almost wiped out? Sikhs and Hindus were minorities in the region of Pakistan prior to partition. Many left to India and some were killed.

Punjab is a big state. So what if they were minority? Still hundred and thousands of died. You are saying some people died, like only few people died.

And where do you think we Muslim Punjabis came from? The sky?

Millions migrated to west punjab and so did the Sikhs and Hindus in same number to India.
 
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My family always lived in Pakistan's part of Punjab for generations. The village that I'm from is all Muslims and my grandfather said it was like that for generations.

Sikhs and Hindus were more in number in what is now India's part of Punjab. I heard that some Sikhs lived in Pakistan's Punjab that left to India, but there are some Sikhs left. When I visit Lahore and Faisalabad I always see some Sikhs. Hindus were less in number in Pakistan's Punjab prior to partition than Sikhs were but you still see some Hindus in Lahore.
 
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My family always lived in Pakistan's part of Punjab for generations. The village that I'm from is all Muslims and my grandfather said it was like that for generations.

Sikhs and Hindus were more in number in what is now India's part of Punjab. I heard that some Sikhs lived in Pakistan's Punjab that left to India, but there are some Sikhs left. When I visit Lahore and Faisalabad I always see some Sikhs. Hindus were less in number in Pakistan's Punjab prior to partition than Sikhs were but you still see some Hindus in Lahore.

My dad's side have always lived in eastern Punjab but my great grandparents migrated from mom's side were from Karachi. I am from a village there still some muslim families. We even have mosque in a village that was damaged due to age and rain. Everybody from our village helped to build it, doesn't matter weather they were Hindus, Sikhs or Muslims. Muslims are majority in Malerkotla. But there are lots of muslims all over punjab. Some migrated from Kashmire for jobs. Infact ther various pir-dargahs all around our are, may be one per village. During communal tensions in other parts of India between hindus and muslims, Punjab has alway been quite and you will probaly will not find a single news of communal tension between Sikhs and Muslims in Punjab.
 
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Hold your pagries!

I feel that the Indians, particularly the Hindus, have purposefully sidelined a point raised by many on this thread including myself; this point alone is sufficient to declare India as an intrinsically intolerant state.

I have taken the liberty to reproduce the damming posts here, and I am afraid that you have allot to answer for yourselves.

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The Hindus and Indians of this forum are clearly intoxicated to such an extent that they are blinded of the F I L T H exhibited by their own selves.

The lower castes for example are regarded as dirt, and most Hindus will not even touch them.

We can conclude therefore, that according to the caste system, the Indians are not even tolerant to their own people; never mind other faiths!

The number of people deemed as “untouchable” in India surpasses well over 50million, and some estimates as high as 150million.

Check mate, and have a nice day Indian friends.
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And A1 Kaid said:

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I also agree that India should top the list of World's most intolerant countries of minority religions. The standing record on how India has treated it's minority religions, Islam, Christianity, and Sikhs is quite damning.


Indians should do themselves a favor and wake up, the "Incredible India" they imagine on the newly imported South Korean Tv's with commercials playing showing India as a booming "next superpower" is not a reality, it is disillusion, a fictitious vision that is deliberately blind to all the major problems India's natural way of life perpetuates. For example, the very own fundamental structure of Indian life, the racist caste system is extremely counter-productive, and it kills any idea of India being a truly democratic and equal country...


Again India should top the list of World's most Intolerant Countries of Minority Religions...

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This thread has raged on with the expected Indian semantics, yet they have collectively failed to address this point.

As stated earlier:

CHECK MATE, AND HAVE A NICE DAY.
 
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I used to play sirjee, have not played in a long time. :cheesy:

As you can see however, I can still check-mate people with relative ease.

How can you you have chack-mated yet? Not one has given proper response yet. Besides the questions that you have asked in your post have been answered many time in other threads. Someone will be answering your question, untill then I will hold the check mate thing.
 
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Someone will be answering your question, untill then I will hold the check mate thing.

I have asked no question mere jaan.

I have simply brought to the forefront a reality that has wiped the smile of all your faces; a smile that resulted from self-delusion and bigotry that is often exhibited by our Indian counterparts.

The Pakistanis will be the first to admit that their nation is in a dire state, and most of us are not proud of what we see. However, it is our Indian counterparts that initiated this thread. It is they who claimed to be vastly superior and tolerant in comparison.

I will wait to see you defend your erroneous caste system…until that time check mate and have a nice day.
 
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Aaaaaa...? I don’t there is any to be defended in cast system :undecided:, and now a days its used to gain benefit from this cast which are provided by GOI. Actually cast system is based in the type of work a person use to do in that time (Old times). I don’t think there is a need of cast system in today’s period, now it should have been in the economic level of an individual. Even still in some remote villages the cast system is follows very strictly, as political parties don’t want this cast system to be removed from the society as they gain benefit from this during election period. Even in Pakistan there is cast system, so it’s one and the same.

And second thing his is a research done by “U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom” and it’s their point of view. If some other organization would have done the research the result would definitely be different. So I don’t think there is any need to get so upset. Even if there had been India’s name in the list then also it would have not made any difference.
 
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Christian persecution - Pakistan law and blaspemy - Pakistani Christians

Although Pakistan was founded as an Islamic state when it came into being in 1947, its constitution did not distinguish between Muslims and non-Muslims. Sadly, non-Muslims who once enjoyed a safe and peaceful life in Pakistan are now forced to live as second-class citizens in their own country, under a system that institutionalises inequality. A combination of islamisation, the imposition of sharia law, sectarianism, religious fanaticism and police incompetence and corruption has steadily eroded religious freedoms.

Government leaders, police and officials in the judicial system often collude in the victimisation of the poorest in society and minorities. In particular, the controversial Blasphemy Laws make defiling the Prophet Muhammad punishable by death whilst blaspheming against the Koran can lead to life imprisonment. More often than not, the Blasphemy Law is misappropriated by those in power to oppress and marginalise weaker segments of society. That includes Pakistan’s more than two million Christians.

Constitutional discrimination

The constitution of Pakistan declares that Islam is the state religion but it also states that adequate provisions should be made for minorities to profess and practice their religion freely. In practice, the government is responsible for enforcing laws that discriminate against religious minorities especially Christians. However, the constitution does not allow for a Christian or a representative of another religious minority to be a President or Prime Minister of the country.

Here is a brief presentation of some of the discriminatory laws:

The Blasphemy law

The Blasphemy law is part of Pakistan’s Penal Code. It was introduced in 1860, ironically to protect the religious sentiments of the Muslim minority in the Indian sub-continent, against the Hindu majority.

By 1986, section 295-B and C of this law were legislated introducing an additional clause of life imprisonment for defiling the Holy Quran. In 1991, the Federal Shariah court struck down the additional clause of life imprisonment in section 295-C, and made death penalty mandatory upon conviction under his section.

Anyone can be charged with blasphemy and be immediately detained without any safeguards or the opportunity for bail. Under this law, the only evidence needed is one ‘reliable’ man’s word. Ill-treatment and torture of the accused in custody are common practice. Judicial proceedings can take years, resulting in innocent victims languishing in jails with pending trials or appeal.

Because the Blasphemy law is open to abuse it has become a powerful tool to ignite religious extremism, encourage hostility towards minority groups and give Islamic zealots opportunities to take the law in their own hands. In addition to this, public evidence from the judgments of superior courts in Pakistan shows that the Blasphemy law is being ruthlessly abused for settling personal scores.

During these last 10 years 892 people have been accused under this law and at least 25 people have been arbitrarily killed. Many Christians have been falsely accused of blasphemy under this law - often mischievously by people with selfish motives and the number is rising.

Christians in Pakistan are demanding the repeal of the 295-C section while at the same time Muslim fundamentalists are threatening the government with widespread protests and civil disobedience. They are demanding complete enforcement of the Sharia law.



Hudood Ordinance (Rape and Adultery)



Hudood, the plural of hadd, are punishments whose limits are set forth in the Quran or Sunnah. In 1979, as part of the continuing Islamisation of Pakistan, an entire new set of laws "Enforcement of Hudood Ordinance," became effective concerning certain criminal offenses. These laws provide Islamic punishments for:

(1) property crimes, such as theft or embezzlement;

(2) zina, which is fornication or adultery;

(3) qazf, which is falsely accusing another of zina.

Hadd punishments are very cruel and they range from whipping a certain number of "stripes" to death by execution or stoning. Specific punishments depend upon the degree of the offense.

What makes these laws discriminatory is that a non-Muslim can be charged and punished by laws set forth in the Quran and Sunnah which they might not know or be aware off.

Amendments of the Hadood law

The Hadood law was amended in 2006, by the Women’s Protective bill.This billbrings charges of rape under the Pakistan Penal Code, which is based on civil law, not Sharia (Islamic law). Under the changes, adultery and non-marital consensual sex are still an offence but now judges would be allowed to try rape cases in criminal rather than Islamic courts. This does away with the need for four male witnesses and allows convictions to be made on the basis of forensic and circumstantial evidence. This law has been imposed on Christians and CLAAS is lobbying for exemption of Christians from the Islamic laws.

Law of Evidence (Qanoon-e-Shahadat)

Another discriminatory law is that of Qanoon-e-Shahadat. Under Islamic Qanoon-e-Shahdat order (enforced in 1984), the evidence of a non-Muslim is not admissible against a Muslim person. Only two male witnesses can testify while four Muslims women witnesses are equal to two male Muslims witnesses.

However, the evidence of non-Muslims may be acceptable if the accused is also a non-Muslim. The implications of this law are obvious in the abuse of non-Muslims who could be falsely accused by Muslims.

Blood Money (Qisas-o-Diyat)

‘Qisas’ means ‘an eye for an eye’ while ’diyat’ refers to blood money for murder, or financial compensation in retribution for physical injury. This law is applied in cases of murder and injury but is discriminatory towards Christians and women due to the number of witnesses required in court to prove a case.

A falsely accused person can be charged with maximum punishment by only two male Muslim witnesses.

Other discriminatory laws

Christians face a number of problems because of other laws concerning marriage, divorce, guardianship and inheritance. For example, a Christian marriage can be annulled if one of the partners declares conversion to Islam.In cases of abduction of Christian women, the Muslim man can declare that his abducted wife has converted to Islam. Thus marriage, solemnised under the family laws of non-Muslims, can be dissolved with immediate effect.

Discrimination within the government

Religious discrimination and prejudice prevails within the government of Pakistan. There are no Christian government ministers, no Christians working in key government posts, no Christians appointed as ambassadors or judges.During the 2008 election there were no Christians directly elected in a parliament with 272 seats. Only 4 Christian MPs were nominated by the political parties through the proportionate representation system and therefore bound to comply with their party’s agenda. None of the Christian women have also been nominated on the 60 reserve seats.

Educational discrimination
Christian students are discriminated against. They are forced to study Islam from the early years of education and when selections are made for higher education 20 extra marks are given to Muslim students who are Hafiz-e-Quran.This ordinance distinguishes between Muslim and non-Muslim students and diminishes the chances for some non-Muslim students obtaining admission in colleges and universities.

In 1972 the late Prime Minster Zulfiqar Ali-Bhutto made Islam the state religion and the government took responsibility for running Christian educational institutions. This act of nationalising Christian schools broke the educational backbone of the Christian community. As a result, successive generations of Christians have struggled to obtain an education. Thousands of Christians in towns and villages are often poorly educated and have no choice but to accept menial jobs.

Social discrimination

Lack of freedom of speech

The constitution of Pakistan states that ‘subject to law, public order and morality, every citizen shall have the right to profess, practice and propagate his religion.’ However, in this country where Islam is the state religion freedom of speech is constitutionally ‘subject to any reasonable restrictions imposed by law in the interest of the glory of Islam.’

Lack of religious freedom

In Pakistan the conversion of a Muslim to Christianity is not allowed. Indeed, conversion away from Islam is considered apostasy, a denial of the prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and an insult to Islam. Murshid Masih converted to Christianity and was charged under the Blasphemy law. He was sentenced to death.

However, if a Christian converts to Islam he/she is not allowed to re-convert to Christianity because re-conversion away from Islam is considered apostasy. Kingery Masih is still in jail for his reconversion to Christianity.Inter-faith marriages are not allowed for Christian men and Muslim women. Islamic extremists often threaten Muslim women who marry Christians, as well as her husband and their families.

Forced conversion

Christian women and under-age girls in Pakistan have been subjected to kidnap, abduction and rape. In several cases, girls said to have eloped with their Muslim lovers were subsequently found to have been abducted and forcibly married to Muslim men or sold to them. These girls are rarely allowed to meet their parents following claims they have embraced Islam.

These girls are: considered apostate if the reconvert to Christianity and can suffer dire consequences. Such laws are tools for abusing Christian women who work as servants or slaves in brick kilns.

The plight of women

In Pakistan often violence against women begins in their childhood. Girls are not allowed to play games like boys that can help in their mental and physical development. Also they are not encouraged to receive an education and often, especially in poor families they are forced to go into domestic service or marriage in order to provide for their families.

Today sexual assault on women, including rape, remains one of the most common crimes. The Human Rights Commission estimated that rape occurs every three hours. And what’s worse many cases of rape go unreported because women fear their attackers. Hundreds of women have suffered from being wrongfully charged with adultery. Although most women tried in such circumstances are acquitted, they have to endure the stigma of suspicion.

Get involved with our ‘End the abuse of the Blasphemy Law’ campaign by clicking here: Christian persecution - Pakistan law and blaspemy - Pakistani Christians
 
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