National Air Defense Command (NADCOM) - Updates & Discussions.

[Areesh]

good news,
i ope we will stick to HQ-9 and/or FT-2000 as supposed earlier.

however this new statement atleast re initiates the deal and now we can hope to get some goodies. we have been hearing about this SAM procurement since 2003.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/wmd-missiles/20716-surface-air-missile-20.html#post1289331

regards!

But this time it looks more credible. This time it is from the interview of the Chief itself.

 

[IceCold]

I have a question here if some one can perhaps answer. Can an AWACS guide a SAM towards its target or at least provide mid course correction? since AWACS have better situational awareness as compared to a ground based radar.

 

[pakistantiger]

spada 2000 low to medium altitude defence, and HQ-9 for high altitude defence and HQ-18 for limited missile defence

 

[Kompromat]

^ It looks fairly hyped !

 

[gambit]

I have a question here if some one can perhaps answer. Can an AWACS guide a SAM towards its target or at least provide mid course correction? since AWACS have better situational awareness as compared to a ground based radar.

In theory, a missile of any type can be guided, or its guidance be correlated, by an external source such as AWACS. There are several issues. The main one is the quality of that source. The secondary issue is the degradation tolerance level of said source, meaning that IF the quality of that external guidance/correlative source degrades in comparison to another source, such as the missile's own sensor, what is the degradation threshold where that external source is discarded? Third issue is IF said external guidance/correlative source regain its previous level of confidence, should it be used again?

The analogy here is the proverbial 'back seat driver' that all of us must suffer occasionally throughout our lives. Is that person knowledgeable? Does he give reasonably accurate information? Does he have a clear voice? And so on...Now compare him with a GPS unit. See the differences? Now we must consider the entire situation of a missile chasing a target at several hundreds km/h and in the case of a maneuvering target, the problem compounds exponentially.

External guidance/correlation is simple in idea but fickle in application, especially if said external source can be unreliable, such as the AWACS being chased by a hostile. Now the quality-of-service (QoS) really really degrades. The missile designer must assume that said external source will not always be available to him and that they are a luxury, not a need. That is why it is always preferable, even for US, to have the best possible sensor for the missile despite our advances in AWACS and data links technology.

 

[subanday]

It still amazes me that we were without a long range SAM system for long (till date), guess our longest range missile is the age old SA-2.... and now we r considering these beautiful and useful piece of weaponary.... dair aye durust aye

 

[Safriz]

YouTube - Skyshield - EW Solutions


This is a must for Pakistan's offensive SkyShield Jammer against massive Anti-Air Defences. It is better option than purchasing surface-to-air Missiles (HQ-18). See @ 2:02- X-Guard Fiber Optic Towed Decoy!

One aircraft has been dedicated for jamming..the rest for attack.The whole squadron solely depends on one jamming pod attached to one plane..What if it fails or the enemy radars have countermeasures?
Not sure about the towed decoy..In straight flight,it will work..but if the plane needs to make evasive manoeuvrings or tight turns...The tow may become a hazard and get tangled somewhere....I had seen B-52s video where they launch decoys..But detached decoys...which fly on their own...not towed.

 

[Safriz]

I have a question here if some one can perhaps answer. Can an AWACS guide a SAM towards its target or at least provide mid course correction? since AWACS have better situational awareness as compared to a ground based radar.

Gambit has given a very detailed answer..very informative...
But may be an AWACS can be used for marking target by laser,if not real time missile guidance.

 

[topgun787]

keep going pak.
well i think we should have a dosen of these boys

 

[abaseen99]

HQ-12

 

[abaseen99]

HQ18

HQ-9

 

[fzgence]

nice post thanx.

 

[Fact_ur_mine]

SAMS are not required to defend province by province but they are to defend strategic and high value targets that enemy likes to destroy first. No one will visit Pakhtoon Khua and it cannot unless it crosses bordering areas including Lahore, Islamabad and areas around. So a SAM placed anywhere before Pakhtoon Khua would be defending it as well.

Absolutely WRONG.
READ about ballistic missiles first and than make a post.
They wont travel over border areas of Lahore and get caught.
Trajectory is such that it first goes out of exosphere...travels the distance and than again makes re-entry at almost directly over the head of target. If SAMS are installed it would get caught depending upon range , otherwise SORRY

 

[MastanKhan]

One aircraft has been dedicated for jamming..the rest for attack.The whole squadron solely depends on one jamming pod attached to one plane..What if it fails or the enemy radars have countermeasures?
Not sure about the towed decoy..In straight flight,it will work..but if the plane needs to make evasive manoeuvrings or tight turns...The tow may become a hazard and get tangled somewhere....I had seen B-52s video where they launch decoys..But detached decoys...which fly on their own...not towed.

Hi,

By the time the enemy reacts and has counter measures to neutralize the jamming, the flyers would be within striking distance or on top of their target.

Once your equipment gets jammed---it is not easy to overcome that obstacle.

I guess----we will have to refer to Gambit for the answer if he could.

 

[abaseen99]

[New-type surface-to-air guided missiles shooting test at Bohai Bay
( Source: China Military Online ) 2010-December-2 11:26

　　A guided missile brigade of the air force under the Chengdu Military Area Command of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army stationed in southwest China’s Yunnan Province recently underwent a live-shell shooting test at the coast of the Bohai Bay, obtaining outstanding results of five shots all hitting the target and creating several records for a new-type surface-to-air missile developed in China.