Nation’s honor not to be traded for prosperity: Kayani

[53fd]

Your saying Pakistan, ISI, and Army need to find justification to tell CIA and USA to reduce or stop drone strikes in their own country by releasing RD!

The fact that Pakistan has to release a criminal just to reduce drone strikes is a sign of weakness and is very pathetic. What is the military there for? As if Pakistan needs to look for a bargaining chip to reduce or stop drone strikes, this is beyond pathetic this is scum.

I think you need to stop being so headstrong and look at the situation realistically. It is not in Pakistan's interests to go on a full scale war with the US, not because it can't do so, it most certainly can. However, Pakistan would lose the support of the international world if it openly engages in a war with the US. Losing credibility & ties with the rest of the world could be detrimental to Pakistan's future.

 

[Bang Galore]

What is wrong with a general giving a patriotic and rousing speech? He did not call for the overthrow of the government did he? If the people 'look at these generals as an alternative', then that is the fault of:

1. The politicians for doing such a miserable job that the people are looking to General's (why can't the politicians at least given similar speeches?)
2. The fault of the people for not having faith in the democratic system and not voting for different candidates in the elections, or not voting at all.

Why blame the general for 'making a speech'? That is just silly.

There is a problem with Generals making such speeches & it is this - the general is not answerable to the public at large directly. There are no consequences for him directly by the choice of that decision. Honour or prosperity is a false choice as there is no honour in being poor. In any case, such decisions are best left for people who are going to be held accountable by the masses for both their economic condition & for any "dishonorable" acts. This may not seem a very important distinction but it is what prevents Pakistan from being truly democratic. Your political leaders must be held accountable for their decisions but they have to be their own decisions & not ones imposed/articulated by those who do not have to face an election.

Btw, General Kiyani has been himself instrumental in undermining the Pakistani army/ State by accepting an extension of his tenure. There is absolutely no logic to that decision. Surely the Pakistani army has many Generals who can be CoAS. If there are only a couple of them (those receiving extensions) who can do the job then the army & Pakistan itself are in a far worse situation than presently accepted. If the argument of Americans asking for that extension is accepted, then the undermining of Pakistani position on sovereignty has already happened and there is not much point complaining about it now.

 

[53fd]

There is a problem with Generals making such speeches & it is this - the general is not answerable to the public at large directly. There are no consequences for him directly by the choice of that decision. Honour or prosperity is a false choice as there is no honour in being poor. In any case, such decisions are best left for people who are going to be held accountable by the masses for both their economic condition & for any "dishonorable" acts. This may not seem a very important distinction but it is what prevents Pakistan from being truly democratic. Your political leaders must be held accountable for their decisions but they have to be their own decisions & not ones imposed/articulated by those who do not have to face an election.

Btw, General Kiyani has been himself instrumental in undermining the Pakistani army/ State by accepting an extension of his tenure. There is absolutely no logic to that decision. Surely the Pakistani army has many Generals who can be CoAS. If there are only a couple of them (those receiving extensions) who can do the job then the army & Pakistan itself are in a far worse situation than presently accepted. If the argument of Americans asking for that extension is accepted, then the undermining of Pakistani position on sovereignty has already happened and there is not much point complaining about it now.

Sorry, this doesn't really make any sense.

 

[Bang Galore]

Sorry, this doesn't really make any sense.

It should! The fact that it isn't (making any sense to you) is the problem.

 

[53fd]

It should! The fact that it isn't (making any sense to you) is the problem.

The problem is that you clearly lack any kind of understanding of the situation inside Pakistan, which is why you're talking about various things that have absolutely no connection with each other. Which results in senseless arguments that have no basis with the realities on the ground.

 

[Jinnah]

Its a clear message to all those people who think Pakistan can't survive/prosper without US aid (which includes our politician)... Long live Pakistan

 

[foxbat]

Raymond Davis was not released by the Army/ISI for heaven's sake, but by the courts in Punjab.

Dude, In Pakistan, nothing is possible/Done without army's approval..

 

[foxbat]

I think you need to stop being so headstrong and look at the situation realistically. It is not in Pakistan's interests to go on a full scale war with the US, not because it can't do so, it most certainly can. However, Pakistan would lose the support of the international world if it openly engages in a war with the US. Losing credibility & ties with the rest of the world could be detrimental to Pakistan's future.

What are you smoking dude?? It will lose much more than the support of International world (as if it supports Pakistan at the moment). It will probably lose its existence as we all know it today..

 

[Ajaxpaul]

I think you need to stop being so headstrong and look at the situation realistically. It is not in Pakistan's interests to go on a full scale war with the US, not because it can't do so, it most certainly can. However, Pakistan would lose the support of the international world if it openly engages in a war with the US. Losing credibility & ties with the rest of the world could be detrimental to Pakistan's future.

Please enlighten everyone how you are going to take on US in a full scale war??...OK leave the american continent( dat would be a very very long shot ).
How about Diego gracia?? What can you do to the US?

 

[SEAL]

 

[macho ki macho]

Isnt it the other way of saying, we will eat grass and blah blah and develop weapons but never letting our honour and dignity compromised? Something of that sort that Mr zia once claimed.

 

[Bratva]

Some Facts to Clarify?

1. General Kiyani, is answerable to Courts. Did indians know, last year, Supreme court of Pakistan, Summoned ISI in Court to Clarify theri stance on one of Missing person cases?

2. Did Indians know, Raymond Davis matter was settled in courts between the aggrieved party and raymond davis, and there was No General Ashfaq pervaiz Kiyani in Court?

3. Did Indians know any Illegal thing General Ashfaq Pervaiz Kiyani did so under his tenure?

4. Did Ashfaq pervaiz kiyani, Disobeyed President or Prime Minister Of Pakistan?

Bloody chaps, always came here with distorted facts and start makinf fun of every thing, better educate your selfs what General Ashfaq pervaiz Kiyani is and then Came and argue with us,

 

[Bratva]

Its pretty easy to take position when you are not accountable to the country.. Like Gen Kayanai is not..

Joker, Making wild accusation without any proof? Give me one proof, where General Ashfaq pervaiz kiyani disobeyed a Direct order of President or Prime Minister of Pakistan? Until then, Making statements like this makes you a utter fool

 

[Bratva]

Isnt it the other way of saying, we will eat grass and blah blah and develop weapons but never letting our honour and dignity compromised? Something of that sort that Mr zia once claimed.

Go eat some grass so it enlighten your mind and make your memory strong especially in case of Pakistani matters, it Was Bhutto, not Zia

 

[ice_man]

nation's honor? haven't our leadership & military sold it already??? when they let the us

1) carry out drone strikes THEMSELVES and didn't hand over the technology to us

2) let raymond davies walk

atleast kiyani,zardari,nawaz,altaf,mushi should not talk about HONOR but then again men with no honor always like using such terms!