1. How much India and Pakistan lack in terms of technology when compared to the US is a matter of debate but my guess would be 20-50 years. Keeping that in perspective and the fact that there havent been any contracts for the avionics and weapons delivery suites shouldn't be putting my estimate of the PRESENT JF-17 being simillar to the F-16 C/D at max.
The world is decades behind the US when it comes to military aviation because only a superpower like the US can come up with the funds and research base to build an airplane like the Raptor. Maybe the Chinese might be able to match them in a decade or two because they are pouring in billions of dollars and hundreds and thousands of Aeronautical Engineers are joining the work force in China every year.
Nobody is saying that the JF17 is equal to the Block 52, but if you look at the JF17's avionics they are comparable to the Block 40. It appears that you haven't been following news or this website regarding the contracts signed for avionics suite and weapons package. Pakistan long ago signed a contract with China regarding joint research in avionics and weapons, along aside that PAF and its necessary agencies are carrying their own research too.
2. Lets not fool ourselves here. Do you really think PAC can develop those systems? Given the levels of incompetence and corruptions that run deep in the heart of your and my country I am quite sure that these so called suites wont be delivered on time and also wont be able to match the performance. I guess it will take a substantial time ( 5 years or so) for any radar or ECM to mature and be effective under various different mission requirements . I can bet my bottom ruppee that if PAC has to develop a mission capable radar comparable to what Russia or US has then it will take more than a decade with the outside help. Without any outside help, I dont think it will be possible even in two decades.
We are not fooling anybody
, PAC has in in fact developed those systems with joint ventures or on its own. Look at the avionics of the JF17; fully glassed cockpit, features EFIS, MFD, HUD, Quadruplex FBW, Datalink, DAS, RWR, MAW and HMS. IF you look at it the EW and ECM suites, they are quite deadly. The Radar that JF17 uses is not the basic KLJ7; its an upgraded one with much better detection, resolution and is very resistant to jamming. The Chinese beat their European counterparts strictly on merit, the performance of KLJ7 was superior to those of their counterparts. But you know what the best thing about JF17 is; datalinking
, it will be data linked to our ground and airborne radars so good luck dodging that
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Save the lecture of corruption and incompetence for your fellow Indians, we know what the problems are in our country but if you look at the projects our Armed Forces have initiated they always have delivered on time. Look at the JF17, Al Khalid, Al Zarrar etc. All these projects were completed in record time and delivered to the respected division in the Armed Forces.
3. Post here when the confirmation is received and everything. I am debating about the As-Is state of JF-17 not what it will be(majorly because I dont have much hopes on the outdates air-frame of the aircraft).
SD10 and R Darter are already in our possession
, once we receive the A and T Darter we will let you know. I wonder why you think the airframe is outdated
, oh wait i know because its operated by PAF.
4. Thanks for the info. May I ask the ranges of those weapons when compared to the missiles carried by the Mig-29 and Su-30 MKI.
Ranges
; is this the only thing you will ask, what about the seeker, its resistance to jamming and manuverability/agility. Only little fanboys who consider themselves Aviation Experts ask for the ranges, but whats more important is the seeker and how resistant is the missile to jamming. As far as the ranges are concerned:
SD10A = Reported range of around 100km
R Darter = Fire and Forget BVRAAM with a range of around 120km, disclosed by Shamim Sahab.
5. I see serious reliability issues with the Rose platform. Being capable doesnt mean that you will perform a task reliabily always. Rose is badly outdated and I dont know how people can trust such a platform to perform a multi-role mission.
Well we dont see any reliability issues with the ROSE upgraded Mirages, we have put them through the grind and they have performed exceptionally well. The aircraft might be old but it has been built through scratch; it houses a full glass cockpit, upgraded avionics and a decent radar. We believe in its multi role capabilities because whenever we needed this plane whether in A2G or A2A, it has delivered and with deadly precision. The ROSE upgraded Mirages are excellent platforms, the naysayers dont know jack and in this particular case you dont know jack about the Mirages or JF17's. You just proved my point
, thanks for doing that. The only problem we had with these aircrafts was their endurance because they burn a lot of gas due to the turbojet engine, but that problem has also been solved with the introduction of A2A Refuelling. The Upgraded Mirages are here to stay and will serve PAF till at least 2020
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You know what your problem is mate as Taimi Bhai described it perfectly; your thinking with your Indian cap on, if you took that off and actually started brainstorming with a neutral cap on, TRUST ME it will do you a world of good.