Namak Haram !!!

[R2D2]

Instead of working for joining the two countries in a confederation and thus strengthening Pakistan geographically, economically and militarily, Pakistani policy makers have shot themselves in the foot with the decision to evict the Afghan Mohajireen. All the sacrifices of the 40 years during which we made friendship with the Pashtun population of Afghanistan will go down the drain.

Secondly, taking their belongings, property and cash has added insult to injury which will last a long time in the memory of the Afghans. Badal or Revenge is a part of Pashtunwali and many of them will join the TTP to get back at Pakistan.

I had been saying for months that there is a Punjabi Nationalism campaign going on twitter promoting hatred towards Pashtuns and glorifying Maharaja Ranjieet Singh as the hero of Punjab and Ahmed Shah Abdali as a dacoit.

It seems that the Punjabi Nationalist lobby in the Pak Army has won. However, this is a very short-sighted approach and has started back-firing immediately with incidents in Mianwali and Lakki Marwat.

Instead of going for a bigger cake in the form of AF-Pak Customs Union in which the economy of Pakistan would have benefitted, we are going for imposing restrictions on Afghan trade. The only gainers from these steps are India and America which do not want unity between Muslim brotherly states.

 

[hussain0216]

Instead of working for joining the two countries in a confederation and thus strengthening Pakistan geographically, economically and militarily, Pakistani policy makers have shot themselves in the foot with the decision to evict the Afghan Mohajireen. All the sacrifices of the 40 years during which we made friendship with the Pashtun population of Afghanistan will go down the drain.

Secondly, taking their belongings, property and cash has added insult to injury which will last a long time in the memory of the Afghans. Badal or Revenge is a part of Pashtunwali and many of them will join the TTP to get back at Pakistan.

I had been saying for months that there is a Punjabi Nationalism campaign going on twitter promoting hatred towards Pashtuns and glorifying Maharaja Ranjieet Singh as the hero of Punjab and Ahmed Shah Abdali as a dacoit.

It seems that the Punjabi Nationalist lobby in the Pak Army has won. However, this is a very short-sighted approach and has started back-firing immediately with incidents in Mianwali and Lakki Marwat.

Instead of going for a bigger cake in the form of AF-Pak Customs Union in which the economy of Pakistan would have benefitted, we are going for imposing restrictions on Afghan trade. The only gainers from these steps are India and America which do not want unity between Muslim brotherly states.

I think your drunk

The Afghans attacked us REPEATEDLY

Pakistan has tried ENOUGH

What have the AFGHANS done help Pakistan?

We shouldn't be worried about Afghans hating us,,, the Afghans should now be worried about the hatred we have for AFGHANS

 

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I think your drunk

The Afghans attacked us REPEATEDLY

Pakistan has tried ENOUGH

What have the AFGHANS done help Pakistan?

We shouldn't be worried about Afghans hating us,,, the Afghans should now be worried about the hatred we have for AFGHANS

what about the sistan-baloch from Iran. that lot ok ?

 

[R2D2]

I think your drunk

The Afghans attacked us REPEATEDLY

Pakistan has tried ENOUGH

What have the AFGHANS done help Pakistan?

We shouldn't be worried about Afghans hating us,,, the Afghans should now be worried about the hatred we have for AFGHANS

Iran, your favourite country, has an made axis of resistance all over middle east and here we are cutting off our own influence. If some Afghan Mohajireen were 1/3rd among the TTP and you say all of them are being evicted for this reason. What will be done about 2/3rd Pakistani Pashtun in the TTP and what about Punjabi, Sindhi and Baloch Taliban?

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Take the Afghanis to India

You will love them

We have not made contribution to destroy them.. Pakistan did it, just paying back..

 

[hussain0216]

Iran, your favourite country, has an made axis of resistance all over middle east and here we are cutting off our own influence. If some Afghan Mohajireen were 1/3rd among the TTP and you say all of them are being evicted for this reason. What will be done about 2/3rd Pakistani Pashtun in the TTP and what about Punjabi, Sindhi and Baloch Taliban?

Iran is far better,, do you see the Afghan namak harams attacking Iran?

The Iranians beat and kicked out millions of Afghans bastard over night to protect Iranians, why? Because Iranians come first. And the Irani haven't even had a tiny amount of the deshatgardi afghanis do in Pakistan

What's the point of influence if the pashto pashto cànt live for one day with causing fassad and deshatgardi

Afghanis are the majority of the TTP, either actual Afghans or wannabe afghans

It's a poor argument, that we shouldn't throw out afghans because only some of the cause fassad and chaos

We have not made contribution to destroy them.. Pakistan did it, just paying back..

We hate them, we have done enough, take the bastards to India if you love them

what about the sistan-baloch from Iran. that lot ok ?

I think Irans doing the right thing with them

 

[r3alist]

I am not very familiar with this situation but is this a strategic blunder or the best of a bad set of options?

I have seen anecdotally that the average pushtun has a very open and deep desire to conquer Pakistani territory as a part of a broader pushtun aim, this is harboured despite being in no realistic position to do so. It therefore makes you think how deeply is this ingrained?

Ideally ofcourse I think many Pakistanis would like to make common purpose with Afghans, why can this not happen?

 

[R2D2]

Afghanis are the majority of the TTP, either actual Afghans or wannabe afghans

According to Interior Minister Sarfaraz Bugti, Afghanis were 1/3rd out of all attacks by TTP and 2/3rd were Pakistani Pashtuns.

 

[Hero786]

Pakistan, USA and soviet - you people destroyed a beautiful country afghanistan just to establish a puppy government in kabul.

This is just a karma... When USA was paying bollars, and supplying sophisticated weapons... To destroy a beautiful country, no one objected from Pakistan.

They are not namak haram, instead victims..... They lost everything in their own country due to other countries were having their own Agendas to control their country remotely

Same claim is by supporters of Bhutto in Pakistan, who was hanged in dictator Zia ul Haq era.
Same Bhutto was product of dictators.

Soviet war and US war was reason of their proxy wars.

But question is: Are Afghans really innocents?
No.

Same Afghans opposed Pakistan in 1947, even Indians at that time not opposed in UN.
Same Afghans secret agents of "KHAD" were involved in bomb attacks in Pakistan before Soviet war in Afghanistan, same were doing Soviet. In 1950, they sent millitants try to capture KPK, 1955 they attacked Pakistani conselates in Afghanistan, they also raised issue of Durand Line which is recognized by UN. Their artillery attacked Pakistani forces. They also hosted pashtun and baloch militants in Afghanistan in 1970, who were involved in terrorism.

Afghanistan have history to claim KPK is part of Afghanistan. They claim their country is pashtun. but if you look Pakistan have more pashtun than Afghanistan.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Same claim is by supporters of Bhutto in Pakistan, who was hanged in dictator Zia ul Haq era.
Same Bhutto was product of dictators.

Soviet war and US war was reason of their proxy wars.

But question is: Are Afghans really innocents?
No.

Same Afghans opposed Pakistan in 1947, even Indians at that time not opposed in UN.
Same Afghans secret agents of "KHAD" were involved in bomb attacks in Pakistan before Soviet war in Afghanistan, same were doing Soviet. In 1950, they sent millitants try to capture KPK, 1955 they attacked Pakistani conselates in Afghanistan, they also raised issue of Durand Line which is recognized by UN. Their artillery attacked Pakistani forces. They also hosted pashtun and baloch militants in Afghanistan in 1970, who were involved in terrorism.

Afghanistan have history to claim KPK is part of Afghanistan. They claim their country is pashtun. but if you look Pakistan have more pashtun than Afghanistan.

What you said.... Those are borders issues.

It's not a new and unique... There are many around the world.

But the way - you people destroyed a country just for wanted a puppy government in kabul.

Afterwards Situation in Pakistan, not make Pakistan as victim.. Because Pakistan participated heavily to destroy the country of those people.

 

[Asimzranger]

 

[hussain0216]

According to Interior Minister Sarfaraz Bugti, Afghanis were 1/3rd out of all attacks by TTP and 2/3rd were Pakistani Pashtuns.

So 100% of the attacks were carried out by either Afghans or wannabe afghans

So if we throw out the Afghan refugees, we can reduce attacks by 1/3, I would say that's worth it

If we then take a deep dive into nadra cards and start throwing out the Afghan wannabes we could end terrorism

Either way your not giving a good reason to trust these afghans

 

[R2D2]

So 100% of the attacks were carried out by either Afghans or wannabe afghans

So if we throw out the Afghan refugees, we can reduce attacks by 1/3, I would say that's worth it

If we then take a deep dive into nadra cards and start throwing out the Afghan wannabes we could end terrorism

Either way your not giving a good reason to trust these afghans

What do you mean by Afghan Wannbees? The ENTIRE Pashtun population of KPK, Balochistan and Karachi? How you are gonna dive into NADRA? What will you look for?

Why not look for Iranian Wannabees in Kurram and Quetta that took part in the war in Syria and target sunni clerics in Punjab.

 

[hussain0216]

What do you mean by Afghan Wannbees? The ENTIRE Pashtun population of KPK, Balochistan and Karachi? How you are gonna dive into NADRA? What will you look for?

Why not look for Iranian Wannabees in Kurram and Quetta that took part in the war in Syria and target sunni clerics in Punjab.

So basically 1/3 of our terrorism is caused directly by afghani refugees, so if we get rid of afghani refugees we can reduce terrorism by 1/3 I reckon that's amassing win to us if we can get rid of the Afghans


I bet you a big chunk of the remaining 2/3 of terrorism is by afghans who have false Pakistani I.D cards and really see themselves as Afghans as opposed to Pakistani

We need nadra to look at when and how these cards were issued and if we can cancel cards and send those afghans back to Afghanistan, this will go a long way and ensure terrorism in Pakistan is ended

Iranians at the moment are the only Muslim country standing up for Palestine, what are sunni Arab countries doing?

 

[Hero786]

What you said.... Those are borders issues.

It's not a new and unique... There are many around the world.

But the way - you people destroyed a country just for wanted a puppy government in kabul.

Afterwards Situation in Pakistan, not make Pakistan as victim.. Because Pakistan participated heavily to destroy the country of those people.

OK.

So. Killing civilions by bomb attacks is border issue for you?

Jaish e Mohammad (which is banned in Pak) attacked your forces in Pulwama, then why it was bad? they were even forces, not civilions.

Same, Mumbai attacker killed politicians, not common people, it was bad.

Killing people, especially civillions is border issue, lol

I am talking about the incidents before Soviet war, and you are talking after Soviet War/911.

OK. Why should not Pakistan fought with Soviets (indirectly) when he sovereignty at stake?
Soviet wanted to capture Pakistan and then block Europe/US trade route.
Same, 9/11 was drama, US came to fight with China.
If Pakistan did not gave them air base and NATO supply, they might attack Pakistan.
Soviet lost war with them who have more than 6000 nukes. Can Pakistan stand against them openly, who is economically and military wise weak than Soviet?