My Kargil testimony, declassified

[alpha q]

1,000-1500 vs 35,000/infantry divisions+arty divisions+indian airforce..
Its a war, its not like if pak sends 1000-1500 infiltrators we are obiliged to send 1500 soldiers to fight them

Let;s be realistic. It took the world pressure on Pakistan to assist us.

Suppose if world pressure was not there then what you think could have happened?

 

[axisofevil]

Suppose if world pressure was not there then what you think could have happened?

A full fledged war....who knows if nukes would have been used..... The point I was making was that our military was so f-ing unprepared. We were not equipped with even simple basic equipment. I felt so bad for our troops who had to put up with that shit........we could have prevented the deaths of mnay troops possibly.

 

[alpha q]

A full fledged war....who knows if nukes would have been used..... The point I was making was that our military was so f-ing unprepared. We were not equipped with even simple basic equipment. I felt so bad for our troops who had to put up with that shit........we could have prevented the deaths of mnay troops possibly.

Not really, pakistan only uses world pressure card when its losing. In kargil our troops were creating havok in pakistani politics, thats why pakistani pm ran to US for help. Would have war stretched a little longer we would have seen pakistani troops withdrawing behind loc in a move of "goodwill gesture". Its old habit of pakistani army of always underestimating its enemies. Agreed with the part if our troops were better equipped we could have saved many lives.

 

[sms]

Dude Nawaz Sharif is a liar simple. He lied yesterday infront of everyone. He said in his address that he didn't asked current COAS to get involved in political situation right now. After his address ISPR came out with a statement that its the GOVT which asked COAS to get involved ie NS and company. Guy is known liar. He said so much about Zardari such as i will put him to trial and he will be accounted for all the corruption but the other day he met Zardari and probably begged Zardari to save his bu*t by keeping up the support of whole PPP and allies. So i wont believe S**t NS says and that too compare to army. As you know army is strong and politicans are weak that too because of their corrupt and dishonest nature. A strong person wont lie because he is not scared of any reaction but a dishonest will always be scared and therfore willl lie to save his bu*t when its on fire.

Says who?
How do you know the Musharraf is not liar?
Once a "The Chief of army" deny to acknowledge martyrs his credibility goes to drain.

 

[danger007]

Stop lying... they were mujahideen and NLI (paramilitary) troops... we accepted even awarded military honours to martyrs... including 2 Nishan e Hiaders etc in 2000.



dnt take the high horse... doesnt suite india,

haha.. so you wanted to an army general leading para military. ... at least make your mind clear .....

Hamid Gul: Pakistani general nails Musharraf's Kargil conflict lies | Mail Online

 

[Windjammer]

It's when losers come up with absolute gobshit even after 15 years, you know you scored a sound whipping victory.

Should we consider ourselves privileged that you have joined us to splash your brains out.
Pakistan lost Kargil not due to Indians bravery rather the cowardice shown by the country's political leadership, what to talk of 15 years, if Indians were so convinced and flushed with Kargil victory, three years later they wouldn't have sat at the border for a whole year and watch Mushrooms grow on their sorry a$$.

 

[pursuit of happiness]

Should we consider ourselves privileged that you have joined us to splash your brains out.
Pakistan lost Kargil not due to Indians bravery rather the cowardice shown by the country's political leadership, what to talk of 15 years, if Indians were so convinced and flushed with Kargil victory, three years later they wouldn't have sat at the border for a whole year and watch Mushrooms grow on their sorry a$$.

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ok..
what ever you say..
we won...at least you agee that
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border
who came in night under disguise cowradly on those peaks
when it was mutual UNDERSTANDING to vacat it due to climate and terrain issue

 

[danger007]

Should we consider ourselves privileged that you have joined us to splash your brains out.
Pakistan lost Kargil not due to Indians bravery rather the cowardice shown by the country's political leadership, what to talk of 15 years, if Indians were so convinced and flushed with Kargil victory, three years later they wouldn't have sat at the border for a whole year and watch Mushrooms grow on their sorry a$$.

1. Pak holds advantage in Kargil as they hold peaks..
2. Pak occupied them when IA emptied it's posts due to weather...neither Pak fight to take those areas... (It's upto you... you can call it bravery or cowardice).
3. India retaliated massively to take back those posts.. We threaten to open full fledge war... we captured all peaks except one. ..
4. Pak is not in a position to continue the war ... where India uphold it's stance .... Pak is almost deserted diplomatically. ..

I don't know why you guys feeling proud from a act which deserted Pak image ... lolz lot of chest thumping ...

 

[B+ Dracula]

Kargil war is not about Loosing or Winning, We all know that that territory falls in Indian territory so in the end we have to leave indian territory
(-) Timing was not appreciable
(-) One Men Adventure
(-) No plan B in case of retreat bcoz Plan was incomplete without taking all stakeholders involve
(+) reveal incompetence of Indian side
(+) India usually vacate Kargil hills (cold hell) in winters & that mistake Paid-off them with interest
(+) We usually count only Dead ones not --- Cost of War / Mental Problems in extreme Cold / Unfriendly Environment
(+) Indian Bofors Artilllery failed to take Correct Targets (maybe bcoz of weather)

Last 15 years Indian Army wont Vacate those Hills & I think it will result in Extreme Waste of Money, Mental Case Soldiers, Limbless Soldiers, Special Hospitals for those soldiers who required special treatment.
Those brave Mental/Limbless Soldiers are Sure Burden for Indian Economy, and can result in Hate of War esp duty in Kargil or Kashmir area

Moreover, for our side, its not about Loosing or winning, maybe we lost 2700 Soldiers (without going into details) but we Owe +1 on India, ---- Expect the Unexpected Mentality will Haunt the Indian Army forever

 

[Parul]

This Kargil War has been discussed to death on this Forum. All the threads on it becomes Troll Feast & end up getting Closed.

 

[thesolar65]

This Kargil War has been discussed to death on this Forum. All the threads on it becomes Troll Feast & end up getting Closed.

But I never had a chance to comment on any Kargil threads. Now here is one. From all the discussions it is a forgone conclusion that the occupants of the Peaks were Pakistani regular soldiers disguised as mujaheddin/freedom fighters...Right? as all the PK members admitted!!

Now I will die in peace..... as I have commented.

 

[nForce]

Kargil war is not about Loosing or Winning, We all know that that territory falls in Indian territory so in the end we have to leave indian territory
(-) Timing was not appreciable
(-) One Men Adventure
(-) No plan B in case of retreat bcoz Plan was incomplete without taking all stakeholders involve
(+) reveal incompetence of Indian side
(+) India usually vacate Kargil hills (cold hell) in winters & that mistake Paid-off them with interest
(+) We usually count only Dead ones not --- Cost of War / Mental Problems in extreme Cold / Unfriendly Environment
(+) Indian Bofors Artilllery failed to take Correct Targets (maybe bcoz of weather)

Last 15 years Indian Army wont Vacate those Hills & I think it will result in Extreme Waste of Money, Mental Case Soldiers, Limbless Soldiers, Special Hospitals for those soldiers who required special treatment.
Those brave Mental/Limbless Soldiers are Sure Burden for Indian Economy, and can result in Hate of War esp duty in Kargil or Kashmir area

Moreover, for our side, its not about Loosing or winning, maybe we lost 2700 Soldiers (without going into details) but we Owe +1 on India, ---- Expect the Unexpected Mentality will Haunt the Indian Army forever

and what exactly makes you think that the Pakistani side of the LoC is a temperate grassland ?

 

[pursuit of happiness]

Kargil war is not about Loosing or Winning, We all know that that territory falls in Indian territory so in the end we have to leave indian territory
(-) Timing was not appreciable
(-) One Men Adventure
(-) No plan B in case of retreat bcoz Plan was incomplete without taking all stakeholders involve
(+) reveal incompetence of Indian side
(+) India usually vacate Kargil hills (cold hell) in winters & that mistake Paid-off them with interest
(+) We usually count only Dead ones not --- Cost of War / Mental Problems in extreme Cold / Unfriendly Environment
(+) Indian Bofors Artilllery failed to take Correct Targets (maybe bcoz of weather)

Last 15 years Indian Army wont Vacate those Hills & I think it will result in Extreme Waste of Money, Mental Case Soldiers, Limbless Soldiers, Special Hospitals for those soldiers who required special treatment.
Those brave Mental/Limbless Soldiers are Sure Burden for Indian Economy, and can result in Hate of War esp duty in Kargil or Kashmir area

Moreover, for our side, its not about Loosing or winning, maybe we lost 2700 Soldiers (without going into details) but we Owe +1 on India, ---- Expect the Unexpected Mentality will Haunt the Indian Army forever

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Indian army
IA loss brave men to tell GOI that they need to be upgraded ...
that why bad mojo of indian politics the BOFORS made havoc in pak side...
in india we learn late but we learn for sure ...
IA may be thanking PA for kargil
which showed not to belive on PA professionlisam any more..
so now we have ,
1. fence border
2. sensores on border
3. tech on borderd
4. GOI relasied and acted on IA list of weapson
5. It came know about their own mistakes ... yes they accept and act to change it.
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vacating hill
ask any old PA guy he will tell you its MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING to avoid human loss of life due climate
both side go back in winter and come when it over ON RESPECTIVE position .
which broked by PA

which resulted in ,
Siacheen where our g8 ex pm MMS wanted to make siachen MOUTAIN OF PEaCE but IA said NO THANK YOU
instead they use Science and system to make life of soldires more better than before
so now there are almost ZERO casualty due to cliamte ...

other side .. Gyary incident
with due respect you saw waht happedn to Gyari landslide ...
that why both side Vacated peak to avoid THIS..
if if kargil did not happned these also be saved ..
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indian Bofors Artilllery failed to take Correct Targets (maybe bcoz of weather)
can you back it by proof..
hisotry said opposite..
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We usually count only Dead ones not --- Cost of War / Mental Problems in extreme Cold / Unfriendly Environment
world take war as full picture...
WW II won by USA, Uk ,, Russia ..
Russia losts most men .. did they lost ? in fact they are the wons who turned the tide of WWII
UK won war but lost its empire for ever can you term it was victory ?
as per your parameter who won and who lost ?(military causalty)

source Wiki
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Last 15 years Indian Army wont Vacate those Hills
yes.. that is cost of nation which is payed courtesy Pak establishenmnt
and same side want Siachin to be demilitaies zone for peace .. wow
thaths why defending you give more life than attaking
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Expect the Unexpected Mentality will Haunt the Indian Army forever
just few qustion ,
what happed in pak after kargill.. was expected?
what hppned in kargil ...was expected?
when india used IAF .. PAF was ducking in base.. was expected?
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Conclusion
Crux of kargil war as you mentioned ..
We expected you to behave like that
but
indian backlash with IA/iAF/ GOI-diplomacy/Media was Unexpected by you

 

[IND151]

Well, on whose authority and permission did General Musharraf launch the attack on Kargil in the first place? Why did not even PAF know about the attack?

Involving PAF and let them provide cover for NLI would mean accepting that paaksiani state has offcially decalred war on India and it was not the doing of mujahids.

 

[VCheng]

Involving PAF and let them provide cover for NLI would mean accepting that paaksiani state has offcially decalred war on India and it was not the doing of mujahids.

How did that work out? Pakistan was forced to own up to its misadventure and forced to withdraw in ignominy. Kargil was a disaster every which way one looks at it.