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My country won’t stand up against rape, but I have to stand up for the national anthem?

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Family members try to defend themselves as people accuse them for disrespecting the Indian national anthem. PHOTO: TIMES OF INDIA

“Nationalism is a great danger. It is the particular thing which for years has been at the bottom of India’s troubles. It is my conviction that my countrymen will truly gain their India by fighting against the education which teaches them that a country is greater than the ideals of humanity.” – Rabindranath Tagore

On Monday, at a movie hall in Mumbai, a family was humiliated, threatened, told they would be slapped and were forced to leave the hall amidst applause, because they did not stand up during the national anthem.


This was not a victory for patriotism but a defeat for humanity. If something like that had happened to me, I would lose whatever love I had for my countrymen forever. I would lose whatever patriotism I had flowing through my veins.

The arguments, justifying the actions of the moviegoers who bullied the family, range from emotional outbursts that call for allegiance towards the nation and the national anthem, to talking about our soldiers who risk their lives for their motherland.

Some arguments cite laws in monarchies and dictatorships, like Thailand, where in movie halls a song praising the king is broadcasted before every show and everyone has to stand to show respect. One can be jailed for failing to do so.

The proponents of these arguments forget that we are a democracy.

Some Non-Resident Indians (NRIs) are sniffling about how emotional they are regarding the national anthem. They’re saying their hearts bleed when the anthem plays but their “patriotism” dies when greener pastures (read dollars) call out to them.

But no, you can’t point that out, because not standing up for the national anthem is unpatriotic. Leaving your motherland for better opportunities and waiting with bated breaths for foreign citizenship is fine. I wonder what happens to their bleedings hearts when on paper they revoke all rights and sign away their allegiance to their motherland.

If someone, however, wants to leave the motherland in fear of this growing intolerance, then the unpatriotic flag is waved again.

Patriotism, as a trait, is pretty confusing.

When I was a student, I remember I was coming back from college in a Delhi Transport Corporation (DTC) bus and a man came and stood beside me, and deliberately kept pushing against me. When he tried to feel me up, I shouted, but not one person, not even one, offered me a seat or roughed up that man or even asked him to get off the bus. My students who travel by public transport tell me it’s still the same, and that no one bats an eyelid. How many of them stopped for Nirbhaya when she was bleeding to death?

They do not stand up for fellow citizens yet they bleed for the national anthem. Indian people are one of the worst tax defaulters in the world. They cheat and steal from their country, yet their heart bleeds for the national anthem.

How often have you seen a packet of chips being thrown out of an SUV? They litter, they spit and urinate on the streets, yet their heart bleeds for the national anthem.

One of my students once said to me,

“Ma’am wouldn’t this country be a much better place if people felt the same outrage for rape?”

My point being that there are better ways of showing your patriotism, than standing up for the national anthem or roughing someone up who doesn’t.

What reasons did the Muslim family have for not standing up at the Mumbai theatre on Monday?

Maybe they were just being lazy, maybe they didn’t want to stand with coke and popcorn in hand.

Does that mean they are any less patriotic than the hyperventilating zealots?

Maybe they don’t have a sense of belonging and they are not patriotic. I can think of many people who are not.

I can think of people in the Armed Forces Special Powers Acts (AFSPA) imposed regions who want to have nothing to do with this country.

I can think of that Dalit family which was paraded around naked. I can think of the Dalit children who are made to wash toilets or the Dalit women who are raped in villages and find no justice, or Muhammad Akhlaq’s son for that matter, or the children of the victims of Muzaffarnagar or Gujarat riots.

Will those people want to stand up for the national anthem? I love my national anthem, but that is because this country has treated me well.

I am what I am, because of the public institutions I studied in, because of the democratic space I grew up in, because of the legal system and judiciary that protected me, because of the beautiful constitution that gave me my rights.

But I can understand why some people might not feel the same way, the people who were kept out of this privilege, and were excluded from the development, the education system and the rights. And if they have no feeling of belonging for whatever reason, justified or not, can patriotism be forced down their throat?

Is it okay to resort to violence, verbal or otherwise?

Will that make him/her patriotic?

Another important question we must engage with is: Would it be such a big deal had the family not been Muslim?

Isn’t it this whole thing about asking members of certain communities to prove their patriotism?

But why does anyone have to prove it? Why is patriotism becoming a matter of authority, jingoism and rituals?

Why do we have to make a public display of it? Patriotism cannot be inspired with a stick or a threat.

Do you think the family which was humiliated left the theatre hall feeling more patriotic?

Obviously not.

Nationalism is something that comes from within. And it will come automatically when all citizens are treated equally, when there is love, harmony, and an effort to reduce poverty, starvation, gender violence, caste violence, and violence in border states.

When everyone is included in the development, everyone will have the feeling of belonging.

The law was broken on Monday in that Mumbai movie hall. Ask yourselves who was at fault – was it the law-abiding Muslim family who sat peacefully (there is no law that says it is a punishable offence to not stand up during the national anthem in a movie hall) or the people who threatened them and forced them to leave?

Forget about laws, what does your morality tell you? Is patriotism bigger than the ideals of humanity?

This post originally appeared on DailyOhere.

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Yes, Monami Basu. You will have to stand up for the national anthem. Sorry for the inconvenience.

I thought india is an intolerant nation.......... If it was how come such articles get published?
So that journos and 'seculars' could point out the comments section to show how intolerant India is.
 
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The true sense of patriotism, that the author is trying to emphasize does not rest in mere symbolism but essentially in what one believes and practices in one's daily life. The article is correct, in my opinion in a sense that majority of those who are gravely razed and offended by someone not standing up for national anthem may not feel the same about gender inequality,poverty, poor educational standards, corruptions, caste discrimination or pathetically lack of environmental cleanliness which need far more greater attention by the Indian society today.



I think, you are trying in vein to convince a set of 'patriots' who believe it is more necessary to thrash someone for not standing up during national anthem, but not those who openly spits or leaves a lady for being molested in a public place to fight her battle alone.

do you think not Standing for National anthem is a big crime ??
 
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This was not a victory for patriotism but a defeat for humanity. If something like that had happened to me, I would lose whatever love I had for my countrymen forever. I would lose whatever patriotism I had flowing through my veins.
Typical secular approach. Love for the nation is a commodity. You get service from the State and you love it back. Nice.

The proponents of these arguments forget that we are a democracy.
Yes, with fundamental rights and duties.

If someone, however, wants to leave the motherland in fear of this growing intolerance, then the unpatriotic flag is waved again.
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Patriotism, as a trait, is pretty confusing.
No darling. It's not confusing. You are just not one, that's all. :)

Maybe they were just being lazy, maybe they didn’t want to stand with coke and popcorn in hand.
So you don't even know the facts on the ground? :mad: Idiot.
Wait, the videos show no popcorn in their hands. Guess you did not bother to check them even. :D

I can think of people in the Armed Forces Special Powers Acts (AFSPA) imposed regions who want to have nothing to do with this country.
:omghaha: Oh, a Naxal/Islamist/Baptist extremist? Good secular indeed. :enjoy:

I can think of that Dalit family which was paraded around naked.
Fake news. This was debunked by the same paper later. Ms. Basu forgot to update her bookmarks.

I love my national anthem, but that is because this country has treated me well.
Does she barter love? :P Here husband ji, take 75% of love for this night, 25% is cut for your misbehavior yesterday. :angry:

Another important question we must engage with is: Would it be such a big deal had the family not been Muslim?
LOL!!! The folks must be wearing 'Being Muslim' T shirts. :D
 
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“Nationalism is a great danger. It is the particular thing which for years has been at the bottom of India’s troubles. It is my conviction that my countrymen will truly gain their India by fighting against the education which teaches them that a country is greater than the ideals of humanity.” – Rabindranath Tagore

how often have i not said similar words on pdf... how often have my words not gone to waste by bouncing off stupid nationalist/religio-nationalist pdf sanghis...

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as a communist, i see nationalism as unnatural, artificial and obsolete and reject it... every problem in india can be traced to indian nationalists who since 1947 rejected socialism and refused to see india as anything but great, glorifying quasi-religious "bharat mata", despite indians being surrounded by problems big and small each day, and despite india mostly being on aid and loan ( even until now )... these nationalists refused to acknowledge the abundance of problems in india along the decades though some progressive institutions like the supreme court and the hindi cinema spoke of them... and because crass and foolish nationalist sentiment refused to acknowledge problems, we have them in 2015 while many other societies launched, participated and supported socialist revolutions and rid themselves of problems generally.

india is the most nationalist society in history... even though the concept of the nation, the non-monarchy republic, started only with the french revolution ( for very non-indian purposes ), lot of the indian population mixed the idea of modern india with the religious-origin "bharat", thereby carrying over the problems of traditional india into modern india... hence we have wage-slavery, economic-driven suicides, "honor killing" etc in 2015.

remove all nationalists from india and i guarantee that within a year, india will be within the ambit of real civilized societies.

I can think of people in the Armed Forces Special Powers Acts (AFSPA) imposed regions who want to have nothing to do with this country.

true.

the actress priyanka chopra foolishly portrayed a female boxer from manipur state in the film "mary kom" ( :what: despite boxing being a barbaric activity and certainly unfeminine ) whereas she should have portrayed irom sharmila from the same state, who has been on a general hunger strike since year 2000 in protest against the nationalist excesses of the indian army.

Isn’t it this whole thing about asking members of certain communities to prove their patriotism?

yes, that has been the case sadly even in the progressive hindi film industry.

i speak of scenes in typical films where generally the occasional muslim character seems to always begin with rising from morning prayer for some reason ( :lol: ) and then his destiny in the film is either being ultra-nationalist or being wayward in "patriotism" but being brought to "right path" later or being part of the conspiracy of "dushman mulk" and so must be eliminated along the length of the film.

yes, i acknowledge that there is still a determined progressive section in india because of whom the fine and brave film "haider" became a hit... it had muslim hero and heroine characters no less and took a neutral stand on a political issue that in extremely nationalist ( and modi-fied ) india must be spoken of only "within india's national interests" otherwise the speaker to be declared "anti-national" and called for to be charged with "sedition"... and that is what happened... there was a big thread on pdf in which sanghis gave out their typical obscene religio-nationalist pronouncements... there were twitter campaigns run by sanghis calling for arrest of the crew of "haider".

it is to the credit of the hindi cinema industry that "haider" was given the best film award for 2014 at one of the industry award ceremonies.

Why do we have to make a public display of it? Patriotism cannot be inspired with a stick or a threat.

because india has been allowed to continue traditional indian culture which in turn is all about obscene over-expression and religion.
 
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Is this woman seriously suggesting that Indians are not outraged by the Nirbhaya rape? Who was doing all those candlelight vigils and marches in every major city? Pakistanis tourists perhaps? Or perhaps she thinks that rape and sexual harassment does not occur anywhere except India?
Yes, that's what she thinks.

Some more jewels from the author -
I gave up my Green Card. But this India is giving me second thoughts

quoted for posterity as example of sangh ideology.
Desh bhakti is the biggest bhakti. This is a pillar of Sanatan Dharm. :agree:
 
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do you think not Standing for National anthem is a big crime ??
Yes it is. Standing for National anthem is a duty for each and every Indian ( if one is disabled or old age can raise hand ) . if you are failed in doing your duty then it is crime in a Democratic country like India.
 
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People don't talk about harassment of men because a story of "ABLA NARI" sells much better, who wants to hear about a family's story who's only son set himself on fire in front of a police station because his wife mentally tortured him with legal options available at her disposal. Or a father who couldn't take harassment from his daughter in law and shot himself.

and how will you balance that with this case ( Delhi's unknown Nirbhaya: Horrifying story of teenager who was tortured and gang-raped for days and then left for dead | Daily Mail Online ) from your own state??

Desh bhakti is the biggest bhakti. This is a pillar of Sanatan Dharm. :agree:

sorry for inconveniencing you but i don't believe in quasi-religious 900 bc ideology. :)

for me first is humanity, whereever they might live.
 
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Traitors like you will never know what is patriotism.

hazoor e aala, first gather your "patriot" mandali and remove india of its "suicide capital of the world" tag.

come to civilization... jahaalat me kya rakha hai??

che guevara must be your ideal, not pramod muthalik.

insaaniyat zindabad !!
viva socialism.
 
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