‘My conscience has started to revolt’: A Zee News producer quits over channel’s handling of JNU row

[Sam.]

Yes, as you show by your behaviour on this forum.

This is your comeback. I expected better.

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

I didn't know what Sorabjee had said on this issue, I read it just now, and seems like Sorabjee and Hegde both agree that what happened in JNU amounted to sedition. I don't know why you have been trying to prove here otherwise.

I saw what Sorabjee said- He was explaining sedition law with reference to the SC judgement where inciting violence against the state was a necessary condition for sedition- He refused to say anything on JNU matters-

Later on there were some news that- He has expressed his desire to defend Kanhayiaa against DP- I cannot say how correct was that news-

 

[Roybot]

I saw what Sorabjee said- He was explaining sedition law with reference to the SC judgement where inciting violence against the state was a necessary condition for sedition- He refused to say anything on JNU matters-

Later on there were some news that- He has expressed his desire to defend Kanhayiaa against DP- I cannot say how correct was that news-

I haven't seen Sorabjee's interview, but the article I quoted from was written by Sorabjee himself.

He has very clearly explained what the law says, and I quote,

According to the Supreme Court, mere criticism of the government or comments on the administration, however vigorous or pungent or even ill-informed, does not constitute sedition. The Supreme Court limited the application of Section 124A (sedition) to acts involving intention or tendency to create disorder, or disturbance of law and order, or incitement to violence. Incitement to violence is the essential ingredient of the offence of sedition

Sedition law should stay, but its interpretation must be specific and not wide-ranging as in British era - TOI Blogs

Calling for war against India till its destruction (Bharat ki barbadi takk jang rahegi jang rahegi), calling for war against India till the secession of Kashmir (Kashmir ki "azaadi" takk jang rahegi jang rahegi) is not a criticism of the government rather an open incitement of violence against the state. There is no ambiguity here.

He then goes on to say this,

If, and i repeat if, a person has said Hindustan murdabad, that the state is tyrannical and it is better to do away with it, necessary to overthrow it, that would constitute sedition. But these facts have to be established in a court of law by following proper procedure.

So its not a matter of whether the sloganeering was seditious or not, cause it was. The court just needs to determine the veracity of the video, the one that was recorded by the JNU administration, identify the culprits and bring them to justice. As simple as that really.

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

I haven't seen Sorabjee's interview, but the article I quoted from was written by Sorabjee himself.

He has very clearly explained what the law says, and I quote,



Calling for war against India till it destruction (Bharat ki barbadi takk jang rahegi jang rahegi), calling for war against India till the secession of Kashmir (Kashmir ki "azaadi" takk jang rahegi jang rahegi) is not a criticism of the government rather an open incitement of violence against the state. There is no ambiguity here.

He then goes on to say this,



So its not a matter of whether sloganeering was seditious or not, cause it was. The court just needs to determine the veracity of the video, the one that was recorded by the JNU administration, identify the culprits and bring them to justice. As simple as that really.

You got what he said in his explanation- I agree with your points however I would leave the decision to be taken by the courts- They are far more qualified to make the appropriate interpretation of how seditious the act on the campus was-

I have even see a slogan where calls for freedom by the use of Arms were being raised- However I am not in favour of slapping sedition on Umar or any of the students unless they have linkage with Maoists or Jihadis- May be small charges like disturbing peace, law and order If they don't have any links- That too just to satisfy public rage- I hope this case doesn't turn out like Nirbhaya where special Judgement was given just to satisfy public anger-

We have to understand no country loving Indian would agree to what has been going on in the universities by the left should be left untouched It should and must be corrected- But the flith have collected over decades and It cannot be wiped in one stroke- timely cleaning should take place- and here I would hope the Govt- to take some clever steps and set up Police outposts in every University along with proper CCTV surveillance

 

[Roybot]

You got what he said in his explanation- I agree with your points however I would leave the decision to be taken by the courts- They are far more qualified to make the appropriate interpretation of how seditious the act on the campus was-

I have even see a slogan where calls for freedom by the use of Arms were being raised- However I am not in favour of slapping sedition on Umar or any of the students unless they have linkage with Maoists or Jihadis- May be small charges like disturbing peace, law and order If they don't have any links- That too just to satisfy public rage- I hope this case doesn't turn out like Nirbhaya where special Judgement was given just to satisfy public anger-

We have to understand no country loving Indian would agree to what has been going on in the universities by the left should be left untouched It should and must be corrected- But the flith have collected over decades and It cannot be wiped in one stroke- timely cleaning should take place- and here I would hope the Govt- to take some clever steps and set up Police outposts in every University along with proper CCTV surveillance

Of course me and you can argue, the final judgement is for the court to make.

I however want a sedition charge slapped on them, make an example out of them. The sentence perhaps can be a bit lenient. The court and the country needs to set a precedent, so that these maoist scumbags think twice before pulling such stunts in the future.

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

Of course me and you can argue, the final judgement is for the court to make.

I however want a sedition charge slapped on them, make an example out of them. The sentence perhaps can be a bit lenient. The court and the country needs to set a precedent, so that these maoist scumbags think twice before pulling such stunts in the future.

I understand your anger- But when I see their(JNU) faces and them talking I feel most of them were mislead and are afraid of what might happen to them so I would want some leniency If possible without sedition- They are our own boys- Just like Tribals who join Maoists- If they admit their mistakes let them apologize and go after some punishment-

 

[Roybot]

I understand your anger- But when I see their(JNU) faces and them talking I feel most of them were mislead and are afraid of what might happen to them so I would want some leniency If possible without sedition- They are our own boys- Just like Tribals who join Maoists- If they admit their mistakes let them apologize and go after some punishment-

I don't fall for their charade, its like Kejriwal trying to look innocent, doing his muffler thing, or the going to meet the French president with sandals on, its a show they put on for people. Drameybaaz hain sab ke sab.

Notice how Umar Khalid had a beard all along, but he shaved it now, to show people how is just a young and naive student.

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

I don't fall for their charade, its like Kejriwal trying to look innocent, doing his muffler thing, or the going to meet the French president with sandals on, its a show they put on for people. Drameybaaz hain sab ke sab.

Notice how Umar Khalid had a beard all along, but he shaved it now, to show people how is just a young and naive student.

I also get some of their theatrics- I am not taking about Umar- I saw that Anibran and some Naga talking to media hope these boys get some sense and do what is best for them-

Umar coming like that making that speech made DP reconsider and now they have decided to oppose Bail plea by Kanhayaa- Which may add to his suffering- Tihar is no place for University students-

 

[Joe Shearer]

This is your comeback. I expected better.

I am sure you did. I presume you have had years of experience as an armchair critic.

I haven't seen Sorabjee's interview, but the article I quoted from was written by Sorabjee himself.

He has very clearly explained what the law says, and I quote,



Calling for war against India till its destruction (Bharat ki barbadi takk jang rahegi jang rahegi), calling for war against India till the secession of Kashmir (Kashmir ki "azaadi" takk jang rahegi jang rahegi) is not a criticism of the government rather an open incitement of violence against the state. There is no ambiguity here.

He then goes on to say this,



So its not a matter of whether the sloganeering was seditious or not, cause it was. The court just needs to determine the veracity of the video, the one that was recorded by the JNU administration, identify the culprits and bring them to justice. As simple as that really.

As long as you are not acknowledged as an authority on legal matters, that must remain your personal opinion.

Secondly, the Times Now people have acknowledge that they lied about the video, that they did not verify its truth and that they screened it without verification. Zee News is clearly in the dock about the video being doctored. Where does that leave your precious case?

 

[Roybot]

I also get some of their theatrics- I am not taking about Umar- I saw that Anibran and some Naga talking to media hope these boys get some sense and do what is best for them-

Umar coming like that making that speech made DP reconsider and now they have decided to oppose Bail plea by Kanhayaa- Which may add to his suffering- Tihar is no place for University students-

I don't have much hope for them, but I hope you are right.

Anyways here's a little background of this zee news producer.

Pro-Afzal and anti-BJP reporter resigns from Zee News, media paints him “neutral”

An obvious leftist, maoist, a yakub menon supporter, a afzal guru supporter, obvious jholawadi take your pick. The very fact the Zee news employed this leftist anti national parastie, is proof enough of their impartiality, but the fact that Vishwa Deepak didn't bother to declare his leftist mindset in his resignation speech goes on to show his intellectually dishonesty.

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[Joe Shearer]

Sir JNU and Jadavpur. Old suspects. Are you surprised?

My countrymen dying for the flag. Young, 21, 22. A life ahead.

And this? What is wrong with these people?

P.S. I will reach out.

No, not surprised. Kids will be kids. It is when they get violent that it is time to react. It was the Oxford Union before the second world war which proposed and carried the motion that it would not support King and country in case of a war. And as for soldiers and their deaths going in vain while these privileged few enjoy a subsidised education, that horse has been flogged to death. I could go into fairly detailed explanation.

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

I don't have much hope for them, but I hope you are right.

Anyways here's a little background of this zee news producer.

Pro-Afzal and anti-BJP reporter resigns from Zee News, media paints him “neutral”

An obvious leftist, maoist, a yakub menon supporter, a afzal guru supporter, obvious jholawadi take your pick. The very fact the Zee news employed this leftist anti national parastie, is proof enough of their impartiality, but the fact that Vishwa Deepak didn't bother to declare his leftist mindset in his resignation speech goes on to show his intellectually dishonesty.

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I read the opindia news on this guy- He is clearly leftists and pro-separatists I wonder why did he wait that long or was he looking for making a hero out of him at the right opportunity-

 

[Sam.]

I am sure you did. I presume you have had years of experience as an armchair critic.

Better to be critic than terrorist supporter.

 

[Roybot]

I am sure you did. I presume you have had years of experience as an armchair critic.



As long as you are not acknowledged as an authority on legal matters, that must remain your personal opinion.

Secondly, the Times Now people have acknowledge that they lied about the video, that they did not verify its truth that they screened it without verification. Zee News is clearly in the dock about the video being doctored. Where does that leave your precious case?

Neither are you. I would rather listen to what former supreme court justice and former solicitor generals have to say, and I thought you agreed with Sorabjee? Or has that changed after having read his article?

The video doing the rounds on the media is not the only video that the court will see as proof. According to the registrar of the JNU, the JNU administration recorded the protest and they have handed the video over to the police for their investigation. This is the only video I care about, and there is no doubt about its authenticity.

Breaking: JNU Registrar says the Videos of 9th Feb are authentic- Reject charges of doctored tapes. - TheLotPot

I read the opindia news on this guy- He is clearly leftists and pro-separatists I wonder why did he wait that long or was he looking for making a hero out of him at the right opportunity-

It just goes on to show that the so called "right wing" media is more tolerant than the leftist rags and news channels that are running amok in this country.

Look how the these leftists are out to get the JNU registrar, Dr Bhupinder Zutshi now, simply because he handed over the video recording to the police. Rea point 3,

 

[T90TankGuy]

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The sane lot have semi retired from the forum , its just so much hyperbolism one can take .

I don't fall for their charade, its like Kejriwal trying to look innocent, doing his muffler thing, or the going to meet the French president with sandals on, its a show they put on for people. Drameybaaz hain sab ke sab.

Notice how Umar Khalid had a beard all along, but he shaved it now, to show people how is just a young and naive student.

Give it up mate you are talking to a professor from The national school of law.
@Joe Shearer i admire you patience , i would ignore and move on.