My Afghan Strategy

[AgnosticIndian]

Dont just say yes, bring historical prof

I've posted the stuff from the same source you've posted (Wikipedia), is that not enough? you can go check the cited sources, all books.
but if you don't like that, here's an excerpt from Encyclopedia Britannica itself, you can check the full history there.

Nalanda | History & Facts

Nalanda, ancient university and Buddhist monastic center southwest of Bihar Sharif in central Bihar state, northeastern India. Extensive excavations indicate that the monasteries were built during the Gupta period (5th century CE). Nalanda was probably sacked during Muslim raids in Bihar (c...

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Nalanda’s traditional history dates to the time of the Buddha (6th–5th centuries bce) and Mahavira, the founder of the Jaina religion. According to a later Tibetan source, Nagarjuna (the 2nd–3rd-century ce Buddhist philosopher) began his studies there. Extensive excavations carried out by the Archaeological Survey of India indicate, however, that the foundation of the monasteries belongs to the Gupta period (5th century ce). The powerful 7th-century ruler of Kanauj (Kannauj), Harshavardhana, is reported to have contributed to them. During his reign the Chinese pilgrim Xuanzang stayed at Nalanda for some time and left a clear account of the subjects studied there and of the general features of the community.

 

[The Accountant]

The way Taliban handled it. That was the very reason why we were never able to send Afghan Muhajireen back and in fact more came to Pakistan. You want to borders to be always messed up and yes don't focus on Afghanistan. Only result would be you have problems on two borders. Secondly if a million Afghans come on your border you simply can't kill or bomb them. Eventually you would have to let them in. I say how about we avoid it.

mahajreen did not came in 96. Did they ? They came before taliban in 80s.

Taliban have support of locals so they can manage on their own.

Furthermore do Pakistan have capability to influence afghans mind set? We failled to do so even in our country how can we do in afghanistan.

Look at our statistics in terms of education, innovation, productivity and for that matter any statistic and u will find us at the bottom of the list.

Brother, nighter we have the capacity nor is the risk of afghan refuge.

Kabul will fall to taliban without any major civil war.

Why foreign office is shouting we have no control over afghanistan? This is a political move. We are making hue and cry so that US and India dont blame us for fall of kabul. Otherwise even afghan army general knows that americans couldnt defeat taliban in 20 years then corrupt afghan forces have no chance as talibans have support of local. The resistance is at media level. Follow the stories and most of the victories of taliban are with little to no resistance.

 

[SSG_Commando]

Taliban will eventually take over Afghanistan. They will employ new system and strategy.

Pakistani leadership has a slave mindset and adamant in keeping the rotten British era bureaucratic system. I can see Talibs as beacon of hope to bring change in Pakistan.

Those who think Talibs are same of 90s are gravely mistaken. The current leadership give a shit about Arabs and others. They are tactful and smart.

 

[The Accountant]

Bonn framework government is dysfunctional and should be dissolved. Best hope for peace IMO, is for an elected government in Kabul to be subordinate to the Taliban leadership council. Key military and foreign policy posts would be selected by the Taliban leadership council. Taliban would handle judiciary. Elected government in Kabul would dispense foreign aid and provide political opium for the masses(.....as they do all over the world).

Current gov is elected. What acceptance they have ? Its tribal society and is formed on tribal chief. Government from alliance of tribal chiefs is the correct formula for afghanistan. It got succeeded in 1996 and it will now.

Study the cabinet if taliban in 1996 and u will fine people from all ethinicity and provinces except 5% norther part.

 

[Indos]

I've posted the stuff from the same source you've posted (Wikipedia), is that not enough? you can go check the cited sources, all books.
but if you don't like that, here's an excerpt from Encyclopedia Britannica itself, you can check the full history there.

Nalanda | History & Facts

Nalanda, ancient university and Buddhist monastic center southwest of Bihar Sharif in central Bihar state, northeastern India. Extensive excavations indicate that the monasteries were built during the Gupta period (5th century CE). Nalanda was probably sacked during Muslim raids in Bihar (c...

www.britannica.com

Nalanda’s traditional history dates to the time of the Buddha (6th–5th centuries bce) and Mahavira, the founder of the Jaina religion. According to a later Tibetan source, Nagarjuna (the 2nd–3rd-century ce Buddhist philosopher) began his studies there. Extensive excavations carried out by the Archaeological Survey of India indicate, however, that the foundation of the monasteries belongs to the Gupta period (5th century ce). The powerful 7th-century ruler of Kanauj (Kannauj), Harshavardhana, is reported to have contributed to them. During his reign the Chinese pilgrim Xuanzang stayed at Nalanda for some time and left a clear account of the subjects studied there and of the general features of the community.

It proves you cannot even found any literature that say Narandra also has scientific studies like happening in Muslim world during 8-13 centuries (before Mongol destroy them)

That is what I asked it to you..."scientific studies" like mathematics, physics, economics, and others :

The House of Wisdom was made possible by the consistent flow of Arab, Persian, and other scholars of the Islamicate world to Baghdad, owing to the city's position as capital of the Abbasid Caliphate.[5] This is evidenced by the large number of scholars known to have studied in Baghdad between the 8th and 13th centuries, such as Al-Jahiz, Al-Kindi, and Al-Ghazali among others, all of whom would have contributed to a vibrant academic community in Baghdad, producing a great number of notable works, regardless of the existence of a formal academy.[5][4] The fields to which scholars associated with the House of Wisdom contributed include, but are not limited to, philosophy, mathematics, medicine, astronomy, and optics.[6][5] The early name of the library, Khizanat al-Hikma (literally, "Storehouse of Wisdom"), derives from its function as a place for the preservation of rare books and poetry, a primary function of the House of Wisdom until its destruction.[1]

House of Wisdom - Wikipedia

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While it is Nalanda

Nalanda

Buddhist monastic centre, India

Nalanda | History & Facts

Nalanda, ancient university and Buddhist monastic center southwest of Bihar Sharif in central Bihar state, northeastern India. Extensive excavations indicate that the monasteries were built during the Gupta period (5th century CE). Nalanda was probably sacked during Muslim raids in Bihar (c...

www.britannica.com

 

[jamahir]

Introduce women education as it should be. No co education.

@Zarvan is as Zarvan does.

May be Islamic Banking

What does that mean ?

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

On Afghanistan here would be my strategy. If I was a leader. There is no point in asking Taliban to talk. They are not going to and eventually they are going to take over Afghanistan. Our only way out is taking help of scholars from around the world specially from Pakistan. The Muftis of Deoband and slowly make them slightly modern. Introduce women education as it should be. No co education. But women also studying science in schools plus Islamic subjects and then in Universities. May be Islamic Banking also along with proper courts with proper criminal law and other laws. And only Islamic scholars can convince them. It would be a long task but that is only way to do it. Plus helping them in provide electricity and other facilities to people. That is only way out. Other wise we are doomed.

The style of writing... The style of title... It is all so reminiscent of someone. Now I know who is jamahir's trainer and tutor (tutor means the person who micromanages the instructions). @padamchen

- PRTP GWD

 

[jamahir]

The style of writing... The style of title... It is all so reminiscent of someone. Now I know who is jamahir's trainer and tutor (tutor means the person who micromanages the instructions). @padamchen

- PRTP GWD

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

You, @aryadravida and @kris seriously need a Kilimanjaro.

- PRTP GWD

 

[jamahir]

You, @aryadravida and @kris seriously need a Kilimanjaro.

- PRTP GWD

I am always cool, like a cat.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

I am always cool, like a cat.

Get well soon golti.

- PRTP GWD

 

[AgnosticIndian]

scientific studies"

of course scientific subjects were also taught in both Taxila and Nalanda, and other ancient centres of learning in India.

from A Guide to Taxila By John Marshall.

In ancient India, the philosophical schools of Samkhya and Vaisheshika, from around the 6th–5th century BC, developed theories on light.

History of optics (Wikipedia)

Samkhya was taught there in Nalanda.

In his biography of Xuanzang, Hwui-Li states that all the students of Nalanda studied the Great Vehicle (Mahayana) as well as the works of the eighteen (Hinayana) sects of Buddhism. In addition to these, they studied other subjects such as the Vedas, Hetuvidyā (Logic), Shabdavidya (Grammar and Philology), Chikitsavidya (Medicine), the works on magic (the Atharvaveda), and Samkhya.[80] Xuanzang himself studied a number of these subjects at Nalanda under Shilabhadra and others. Besides Theology and Philosophy, frequent debates and discussions necessitated competence in Logic. A student at the Mahavihara had to be well-versed in the systems of Logic associated with all the different schools of thought of the time as he was expected to defend Buddhist systems against the others. Other subjects believed to have been taught at Nalanda include law, astronomy, and city-planning.[75]

 

[Indos]

of course scientific subjects were also taught in both Taxila and Nalanda, and other ancient centres of learning in India.
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from A Guide to Taxila By John Marshall.

History of optics (Wikipedia)

Samkhya was taught there in Nalanda.

In his biography of Xuanzang, Hwui-Li states that all the students of Nalanda studied the Great Vehicle (Mahayana) as well as the works of the eighteen (Hinayana) sects of Buddhism. In addition to these, they studied other subjects such as the Vedas, Hetuvidyā (Logic), Shabdavidya (Grammar and Philology), Chikitsavidya (Medicine), the works on magic (the Atharvaveda), and Samkhya.[80] Xuanzang himself studied a number of these subjects at Nalanda under Shilabhadra and others. Besides Theology and Philosophy, frequent debates and discussions necessitated competence in Logic. A student at the Mahavihara had to be well-versed in the systems of Logic associated with all the different schools of thought of the time as he was expected to defend Buddhist systems against the others. Other subjects believed to have been taught at Nalanda include law, astronomy, and city-planning.[75]

What is the meaning of Samkha ?

 

[AgnosticIndian]

What is the meaning of Samkha ?

it is a school of philosophy, but in general, philosophy at the time included all kinds of studies, such as epistemology and various kinds of "natural sciences".

but that aside, see this quote from the House of Wisdom article.

He also invited delegations of scholars from India and other places to share their knowledge of mathematics and astronomy with the new Abbasid court.

this itself shows that India had even more ancient studies of these subjects taught in House of Wisdom, and the Caliphs invited scholars from India to teach these at the House of Wisdom. how can it be then the most ancient?

 

[Zarvan]

mahajreen did not came in 96. Did they ? They came before taliban in 80s.

Taliban have support of locals so they can manage on their own.

Furthermore do Pakistan have capability to influence afghans mind set? We failled to do so even in our country how can we do in afghanistan.

Look at our statistics in terms of education, innovation, productivity and for that matter any statistic and u will find us at the bottom of the list.

Brother, nighter we have the capacity nor is the risk of afghan refuge.

Kabul will fall to taliban without any major civil war.

Why foreign office is shouting we have no control over afghanistan? This is a political move. We are making hue and cry so that US and India dont blame us for fall of kabul. Otherwise even afghan army general knows that americans couldnt defeat taliban in 20 years then corrupt afghan forces have no chance as talibans have support of local. The resistance is at media level. Follow the stories and most of the victories of taliban are with little to no resistance.

They came more in Taliban time. Yes they appeared when Afghan Jihad started. But when Taliban took over they also not did a great job. More came during their time plus they did so bad that we couldn't sent anyone back.