My Afghan Strategy

[Indos]

are you sure about that? because as far as I know there's even older Nalanda University and even the Taxila University, in present day Pakistan itself.

Well they are in Today Pakistan teritory, as other fellow Muslim I feel happy for it

 

[AgnosticIndian]

Well they are in Today Pakistan teritory

not for long.

 

[The Accountant]

They came more in Taliban time. Yes they appeared when Afghan Jihad started. But when Taliban took over they also not did a great job. More came during their time plus they did so bad that we couldn't sent anyone back.

Please share basis of your claim ... As per my knowledge 3.1 million afghan migrated to pakistan during soviet war i.e. before taliban regime.

No official refuge came during taliban regime. The only people came were for trade and other reasons and not at the status of refuge.

I can share authentic sources for my claim. Even wiki supports my claim with reference to UNHC report

 

[Menace2Society]

Please share basis of your claim ... As per my knowledge 3.1 million afghan migrated to pakistan during soviet war i.e. before taliban regime.

No official refuge came during taliban regime. The only people came were for trade and other reasons and not at the status of refuge.

I can share authentic sources for my claim. Even wiki supports my claim with reference to UNHC report

There are 9 million + Afghans in Pakistan. Insider job to get a Pakistani passport and they would use that to leave the country. Thats why your passport is worthless. Nobody wants to risk a terrorist getting on the plane.

You need to understand these Afghans are not fully developed mentally, its difficult to deal with adults who behave like petulant children. Thats why you seal the border, throw them all back in there and 2 mile buffer zone shoot on sight drone coverage.

 

[Srinivas]

You need to understand that the first university in this world is Al Azhar University.

Talking about college levels it is even much older where it was in Baghdad during Abbassiyah Caliphate where religious studies are hand in hand with Chemistry, Philisophy study and others

Later Westerners get the knowledge generated in Islamic world through Andalusia (Spain) that enlighten Western world into what we see Today

google about Nalanda and Taxila universities.

Arabs got numericals, trigonometry and many scientific concepts from India.

 

[Awan68]

The only things we need from Taliban is secure passage to Central Asia for CPEC, elimination of Indian terror activities from Afghan soil and later an inlflux of veteran fighters to send to Kashmir, they can do whatever the hell they want with there people as long as they accept durand line and take Afghan refugees back. Period. Messing around with there ideology can quickly backfire and we can never risk Taliban falling into someone else's lap.

 

[The Accountant]

google about Nalanda and Taxila universities.

Arabs got numericals, trigonometry and many scientific concepts from India.

No one is saying that muslims were the first educated person on earth. However education and governance system of muslim created super powers and powers that ruled the work (like currently in west) for almost 1200 years.

Nothing like this can be said about texila or nalnda education centers.

 

[HalfMoon]

On Afghanistan here would be my strategy. If I was a leader. There is no point in asking Taliban to talk. They are not going to and eventually they are going to take over Afghanistan. Our only way out is taking help of scholars from around the world specially from Pakistan. The Muftis of Deoband and slowly make them slightly modern. Introduce women education as it should be. No co education. But women also studying science in schools plus Islamic subjects and then in Universities. May be Islamic Banking also along with proper courts with proper criminal law and other laws. And only Islamic scholars can convince them. It would be a long task but that is only way to do it. Plus helping them in provide electricity and other facilities to people. That is only way out. Other wise we are doomed.

Please! Let's not introduce failed western policies here.

On the contrary, Women should be encouraged to study but limited to Islamic studies only. The primary role of women is to delivering the babies and taking care of the family.

There is absolutely no need for women to get into STEM education. They studying STEM and competing with males only results in more male unemployment and misery for the families and society at large.

Women need to groomed to wear burqas and be pious instead of wearing skimpy western clothes and get on to streets flaunting their bodies like vhores.

What does that mean ?

Interest free banking.

 

[The Accountant]

Please! Let's not introduce failed western policies here.

On the contrary, Women should be encouraged to study but limited to Islamic studies only. The primary role of women is to delivering the babies and taking care of the family.

There is absolutely no need for women to get into STEM education. They studying STEM and competing with males only results in more male unemployment and misery for the families and society at large.

Women need to groomed to wear burqas and be pious instead of wearing skimpy western clothes and get on to streets flaunting their bodies like vhores.


Interest free banking.

Sorry u have no knowledge islam so better study or keep your mouth shut. hazrat Aisha AS (wife of prophet SAW) was not only a teacher of muslim mans and women but also lead battles.

Even during initial days of islam women were part of lot of commercial activities and even taking care of wounded soldiers in battle.

However being part of commercial activities does not mean to adopt indecent dressing and this not required. Furthermore still being part of commercial activity is an additional job but prime job will remain taking care of home and trainning the kids.

On the other hand prime responsibility of managing economic affairs of family is of man but he should help out in domestic work with her women.

Family work as a whole unit where everyone looks for each other having separate primary responsibilities.

 

[CatSultan]

The Taliban are strong because their principles are based on Islamic principles. They don't change them for anybody. We should learn from them instead of trying to change them.

 

[HalfMoon]

The Taliban are strong because their principles are based on Islamic principles. They don't change them for anybody. We should learn from them instead of trying to change them.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[HalfMoon]

Sorry u have no knowledge islam so better study or keep your mouth shut. hazrat Aisha AS (wife of prophet SAW) was not only a teacher of muslim mans and women but also lead battles.

Even during initial days of islam women were part of lot of commercial activities and even taking care of wounded soldiers in battle.

However being part of commercial activities does not mean to adopt indecent dressing and this not required. Furthermore still being part of commercial activity is an additional job but prime job will remain taking care of home and trainning the kids.

On the other hand prime responsibility of managing economic affairs of family is of man but he should help out in domestic work with her women.

Family work as a whole unit where everyone looks for each other having separate primary responsibilities.

Let me give you a simple example.

We have two jobs being produced in Karachi and there are two families looking for those two jobs.

Will you prefer

1) one family getting both those jobs and the other family being job less

2) Have both the families get one job each

My preference is always option 2

Working women will lead to uncared kids, divorced husbands and unemployed families.

Women should be restricted to their primary role of delivering babies, raising kids and taking care of the family.

If the women want to study they could always pursue Islamic studies and teach their kids the greatness of Islam.

 

[The Accountant]

Let me give you a simple example.

We have two jobs being produced in Karachi and there are two families looking for those two jobs.

Will you prefer

1) one family getting both those jobs and the other family being job less

2) Have both the families get one job each

My preference is always option 2

Working women will lead to uncared kids, divorced husbands and unemployed families.

Women should be restricted to their primary role of delivering babies, raising kids and taking care of the family.

If the women want to study they could always pursue Islamic studies and teach their kids the greatness of Islam.

Give the job to deserving one based on skill and not based on family association period.

For women there r lot of jobs which are less stressful and can be done while working.

 

[Awan68]

Sorry u have no knowledge islam so better study or keep your mouth shut. hazrat Aisha AS (wife of prophet SAW) was not only a teacher of muslim mans and women but also lead battles.

Even during initial days of islam women were part of lot of commercial activities and even taking care of wounded soldiers in battle.

However being part of commercial activities does not mean to adopt indecent dressing and this not required. Furthermore still being part of commercial activity is an additional job but prime job will remain taking care of home and trainning the kids.

On the other hand prime responsibility of managing economic affairs of family is of man but he should help out in domestic work with her women.

Family work as a whole unit where everyone looks for each other having separate primary responsibilities.

She taught from behind a veil and she was a special case cause she was one of the most authentic treasure trove of Hadiths, having lived with the Prophet(pbuh) most of her life. That kind of knowledge that was more valuable than all the riches of this world had to be passed down and hence was a special case. Aisha( RA) was wrong to lead the battle of Jamal, read up on the haidth of the fountain of hob, she realised it at the fountain of Hob and used to cry all her life for leading the battle against Ali(RA). Please dont reference Islamic history out of context, the primary role of women in Islam is upbringing of children and taking care of the family unit which is the most important job one can have.

 

[The Accountant]

She taught from behind a veil and she was a special case cause she was one of the most authentic treasure trove of Hadiths, having lived with the Prophet(pbuh) most of her life. That kind of knowledge that was more valuable than all the riches of this world had to be passed down and hence was a special case. Aisha( RA) was wrong to lead the battle of Jamal, read up on the haidth of the fountain of hob, she realised it at the fountain of Hob and used to cry all her life for leading the battle against Ali(RA). Please dont reference Islamic history out of context, the primary role of women in Islam is upbringing of children and taking care of the family unit which is the most important job one can have.

Did u find me disputing the primary role of women. Infact i am also advocating the prime role of women is family care and men is economics.

However where does it stop from doing both ? Give me one reference to hadith where women are fobidden to leave houses and not part of trade and commerce activity?

Amma Aisha RA is not the only example. Amma Kahdija was also a business women.

Furthermore, on one occasion u r claiming that Hazrat Aisha RA was one of the most learned women of her time and on the other hand u r claiming she didnt know even the basics that women cant leave house. Isnt contradictory ?

Hazrat Aisha RA regretted the decision as it resulted in civil war and death of so many sahaba but it was not like that she came to the conclusion that women cant do any activity other than up bringing of child.

The concept that women cant do anything other than upbringing of child is not islamic teaching but tradition of arabic tribal society and indian society and hindu culture. Otherwise there is no single islamic reference forbidding muslims women from doing commercial work.