Muslim Punjabi Tribes and their origins

[AshishDelhi]

No, they invaded ,there was no mass migration. It was all prior to Islam was spread by Sufi Saints. Jatt are historically more closer to origin to Gujjars than Rajputs. Origin is invading Hapthalites or White huns plus some hordes of Syncithians.

Can't prove or disprove anything. What I know is that jats might be related to Scythians. Does not mean they invaded etc. They just migrated from as far as Bulgaria to central Asia and may be in some cases just from northern India.
When they first migrated then started as farmers and herders only. There was no jat kingdom as such though you can associate with some central Asian kingdom.
Plains, rivers and weather of northern india/Pakistan must have been tempting at that time. Also when jat migrated then there might already have been stronger rulers in India. Gujjars came earlier than jats. Gujjars are mostly animal herders.
Are there significant and prominent jats in Pakistan? In india, we have Sikh jatts and Hindu jats as main ethnicities in Punjab and haryana. Both have done fairly well. Jats are coming up well. Last army chief was jat. Sikh jatts have also had several high posts. In sports, doing better from Indian context.

 

[RazaGujjar]

All I know is Arain tend to be the most religious and their skin color tends to be very red.

My village imam is an Arain...big tall strong fellow...although he is not red

 

[lastofthepatriots]

My village imam is an Arain...big tall strong fellow...although he is not red

All my grandfather's brothers and him very very red. Kids in our village called him Lal Banda.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Almost all Pakistani's are a amalgam and all have base layer that is native to the region. Over the millenia waves of migrations deposited layers on top of the base leading to the amalgam that we have today. In short everybody has some claim to this land. Very few people have remained exactly the same over 1,000s of years. Thus we have a direct connect with the Indus people.

Two things do not stand. One that there is much Arab connection - there is not. Second the silly self serving hypothesis posited by the Ganga people - that Harappan people all migrated to India and all Pakistani's teleported from outside is rubbish. It's just another attempt to stick their grubby hands on IVC.

The main differance you see in Pakistani's from one end to another is the degree of outside influence on the base amalgam which is native. In addition this is what makes us differant from Ganga/Dravidian people.

 

[sady]

Can't prove or disprove anything. What I know is that jats might be related to Scythians. Does not mean they invaded etc. They just migrated from as far as Bulgaria to central Asia and may be in some cases just from northern India.
When they first migrated then started as farmers and herders only. There was no jat kingdom as such though you can associate with some central Asian kingdom.
Plains, rivers and weather of northern india/Pakistan must have been tempting at that time. Also when jat migrated then there might already have been stronger rulers in India. Gujjars came earlier than jats. Gujjars are mostly animal herders.
Are there significant and prominent jats in Pakistan? In india, we have Sikh jatts and Hindu jats as main ethnicities in Punjab and haryana. Both have done fairly well. Jats are coming up well. Last army chief was jat. Sikh jatts have also had several high posts. In sports, doing better from Indian context.

Look when people move from one place to a better place they are not provided the new greener pastures in plate, they have to displace them, Arabs displaced Bruhi from plains, Dravidians were displaced by Central Asians.
Jats just did not come over and were awarded lands.

In Pakistan Gujjars, Jats, Maliks and Rajputs share the power space quite peacefully as we do not have problem of Scheduled or other backward castes problem. Many prominent Politicians like Shafqat Mahmood fromPTI,Qa ar uz Zaman Qaira from PPP and a big part of PML N is Gujjar as are many prominent from other castes as well. Shoaib Akhter, Muhammed Asif cricketers, Chaudhary Rehmat Ali who gave name of Pakistan.

The point is there is no need to go into which caste is better or stronger Almost everyone has same origins, intermixed.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Yar ye sab choro....koi muje Yousufzai Pashtun k barey me batado...Ye kon hain...In ka kia rasmo riwaj hai...In ka shajra nasab kia hain??? waghera waghera

Khariat? Bari shiddat se pocha aap nain?

 

[AshishDelhi]

The Scythians were known to be warlike people. Who knows how many helpless Dravidians, desperately praying to their monkey gods for protection were slaughtered by them before they settled in India.

Don't troll. I am a Jat. Jats though not having any exceptional documented history but still have passed information across generations verbally. Also historians have made some claims. Jats were most likely migrants. They adopted regional culture. They were never oppressed but not really ruled either.

 

[Comfortably Numb]

At one hand you mention blood group and later on claim arains are from Syria or arabs when genetic tests have disproved this theory all together.

reference?

 

[sady]

Khariat? Bari shiddat se pocha aap nain?

Ahem ahem rishtay ka chakar lagta e lol

 

[Comfortably Numb]

Their origin is claimed from eastern Europe to central Asia and downwards towards northern India

reference?

 

[AshishDelhi]

Look when people move from one place to a better place they are not provided the new greener pastures in plate, they have to displace them, Arabs displaced Bruhi from plains, Dravidians were displaced by Central Asians.
Jats just did not come over and were awarded lands.

In Pakistan Gujjars, Jats, Maliks and Rajputs share the power space quite peacefully as we do not have problem of Scheduled or other backward castes problem. Many prominent Politicians like Shafqat Mahmood fromPTI,Qa ar uz Zaman Qaira from PPP and a big part of PML N is Gujjar as are many prominent from other castes as well. Shoaib Akhter, Muhammed Asif cricketers, Chaudhary Rehmat Ali who gave name of Pakistan.

The point is there is no need to go into which caste is better or stronger Almost everyone has same origins, intermixed.

I know 3-4 migrations of my clan within india in last 700-800 years without any fight. And we started farming wherever we went. We should not assume that all migrations were related to war and invasions. I am a jat so interested in knowing how jats are in Pakistan.

 

[Hiptullha]

Don't troll. I am a Jat. Jats though not having any exceptional documented history but still have passed information across generations verbally. Also historians have made some claims. Jats were most likely migrants. They adopted regional culture. They were never oppressed but not really ruled either.

Except that the Scythians invasion into the subcontinent is well documented.

 

[sady]

I know 3-4 migrations of my clan within india in last 700-800 years without any fight. And we started farming wherever we went. We should not assume that all migrations were related to war and invasions. I am a jat so interested in knowing how jats are in Pakistan.

Jats are doing very well. They own lands, herd cattle as well as successful professionals in every field specially armed forces.

 

[Kabira]

I know 3-4 migrations of my clan within india in last 700-800 years

You mean your family kept record of your migrations for 700-800 years?

 

[AshishDelhi]

reference?

I don't know how much this is fact based but you can find detailed info here...
http://www.jatland.com/home/Jats