Muslim Punjabi Tribes and their origins

[Kabira]

Look when people move from one place to a better place they are not provided the new greener pastures in plate, they have to displace them, Arabs displaced Bruhi from plains, Dravidians were displaced by Central Asians.
Jats just did not come over and were awarded lands.

In Pakistan Gujjars, Jats, Maliks and Rajputs share the power space quite peacefully as we do not have problem of Scheduled or other backward castes problem. Many prominent Politicians like Shafqat Mahmood fromPTI,Qa ar uz Zaman Qaira from PPP and a big part of PML N is Gujjar as are many prominent from other castes as well. Shoaib Akhter, Muhammed Asif cricketers, Chaudhary Rehmat Ali who gave name of Pakistan.

The point is there is no need to go into which caste is better or stronger Almost everyone has same origins, intermixed.

IE languages in central and south asia were spread by people of western steppe.

Later on turkic/mongols of eastern steppe conquered central asia. IVC people were not really like modern "dravidians" of south india. They were more like Neolithic Iranian farmers skeletons but without steppe or so called NE Euro like admixture. This will be confirmed once we get ancient DNA from harappans skeletons.

Balochistan/Caucasus here is like neolithic iran skeletons tested recently. In every Pakistani ethnicity this component is dominant and take number 1 position over others. After that south asian component and then at 3rd position steppe/euro like admixture. The so called mussalis/christians and majority of Indians have south asian in number 1 and 2nd neolithic iran like admixture but lack steppe/euro admixture.

 

[_Khawaja]

I got a question for native Punjabi bros here, why are some clans so opposed to intermarriage to people from other clans? I mean I've been told by some people that my clan (Butt) are looked down upon by the Rajputs and the other clans of Pakistan for intermarriage, why is that? Fortunately most of the Pakistani-Americans I know, don't care about caste or race/ethnicity when it comes to marriage/dating but I see how it's such a big deal in Pakistan.

 

[Manidabest]

Stop propagating Wikipedia bs written by wannabe Arabs citing wannabe Arab as source. Arains has nothing to do with Arabs, if you have any doubt then get your DNA tested, it's quite easy now. Initially anyone changing religion was thrown out of society and cast system and was considered low by main stream, that's the reason people tried to invent stories.

well whatever i have stated are very commonly known theories about Arains so i am looking forward to unveil the origins of all the clans.... 2ndly what if we r really from arabs or persians? 3rd they r all sunni muslims none of them r shia atleast i never came across any shia arain..

Bhutto are not arain, they are Rajasthani rajput who migrated to Sindh couple of centuries ago and were granted jagir by Mughals.



At one hand you mention blood group and later on claim arains are from Syria or arabs when genetic tests have disproved this theory all together.

those are common theories which i have stated soo i m also looking for some characteristics which r common among arain or which gives some credit to their claim of arab descent or persian descent

do you have any knowledge about Dogars?
and i am talking about Punjabi Dogars not pahari Dogras

Dogars of Punjab are different form pahari dogras Pahari dogras are actually kashmiri dogars and they r local ethnic tribe of kashmir but when it comes to Punjabi dogars they r ethnically more close to jatts and they are too local Punjabi tribe. They are considered brave and fighters. They resembles jatts more closely than any other tribe. their origin was of Hindus just like Kashmiri dogras but they r different group of people. the only share the name

Some of your content is not true,arhia is not in Syria it is near jeroshilum and now is in Palestine,arains were mostly Jews and nosturic Christian,they didn't came with Mohammed Bin Qasim , they migrated though Iran to India, more importantly they are not Aryan origin hence not truly a domestic stock, Bhutoos are also arain add them to in your list, jats and saamat are the original inhabitants of Indus valley civilization hence can be called true Indians or locals or arya- Indians ,rest are all settlers or immigrants,

1st of all if you read the history then palestine, lebanon, Jordan and modern day Syria was considered Shaam in english its called Syria but today it is as you know all those are countries. 2nd of all Arains have never had jewish background. May be they had christian background before islam came in that region as that region was under romans. But again that we can confirm IF we find any truth in a fact that arains are descendants of arab soldiers who accompanied Mohd. bin Qasim. The oldest surviving family with full records of arains is the family of baghbanpura Lahore who built shalamar garden in Lahore. 3rd. Bhuttos are not arains they are rajput clan resided in rajasthan but they migrated to Sindh when they coverted to Islam.

 

[_Khawaja]

well whatever i have stated are very commonly known theories about Arains so i am looking forward to unveil the origins of all the clans.... 2ndly what if we r really from arabs or persians? 3rd they r all sunni muslims none of them r shia atleast i never came across any shia arain..



those are common theories which i have stated soo i m also looking for some characteristics which r common among arain or which gives some credit to their claim of arab descent or persian descent


Dogars of Punjab are different form pahari dogras Pahari dogras are actually kashmiri dogars and they r local ethnic tribe of kashmir but when it comes to Punjabi dogars they r ethnically more close to jatts and they are too local Punjabi tribe. They are considered brave and fighters. They resembles jatts more closely than any other tribe. their origin was of Hindus just like Kashmiri dogras but they r different group of people. the only share the name



1st of all if you read the history then palestine, lebanon, Jordan and modern day Syria was considered Shaam in english its called Syria but today it is as you know all those are countries. 2nd of all Arains have never had jewish background. May be they had christian background before islam came in that region as that region was under romans. But again that we can confirm IF we find any truth in a fact that arains are descendants of arab soldiers who accompanied Mohd. bin Qasim. The oldest surviving family with full records of arains is the family of baghbanpura Lahore who built shalamar garden in Lahore. 3rd. Bhuttos are not arains they are rajput clan resided in rajasthan but they migrated to Sindh when they coverted to Islam.

Duuuude I don't think Kashmiri "Dogars" exist.

If you're talking about the "Dogras", then they're a different ethnicity.

In East punjab the war of independence 1857 brought misery to most Gujjar villages for their overwhelming participation, their lands were taken away by British and Gov jobs banned. Gujjars were denigrated in their books as thievely and lazy. Even In my village west Punjab many were forced to falsify their caste as Rajput to get Gov jobs which even is seen today where two members of same family may write Raja and Gujjar as their Surname, in Pakistani Punjab however they have progressed very well.
Here is a long list of Gujjars in Pakistan ,which is unverified and may have mistakes just for info;
Great and Famous Gujjar
Islamic Scholars

• Mian Muhammad Bux R.A Saif ul Malook
• Khawaja Noor Muhmmad Muharvi
• Ch Rahmat Ali Founder Pakistan National Movement & creator of word Pakistan
• Movi Ghulam Rasool Punjabi Poet. Qissa Yousaf Zulikha
• Mufti Muneeb ur rehman Chairman Pakistan Rowayat e Hilal Committee
• Mufti Ismeal Gurganvi
• Hafiz Muhammad Saeed President jamat ul dawa and Founder Falah Insaaniyat Foundation
• Allama Liaqat Hussain QTV TV
• Molana Qasim Nanatvi Deoband

Famous Gujjar Politicians, Bureaucrats and Social Workers

• Dr Amjad Saqib Founder NGO Akhowat
• Malik Sher Alam,Candidate for MPA PF-62, Mansehra
• Mian Wali Ur Rehman Khattana (decesed),Sajjada Nasheen Ghaneela Shareef,Former MPA PF-43 Mansehra,Former President PML (N) Distt. Mansehra,
• Mian Zia Ur Rehman,S/o Mian Wali ur Rehman,Sajjada Nasheen Ghaneela *Shareef,Former Nazim Union council satbani, Balakot, candidate for MPA
• Sardar Muhammad Yousaf,Former Distt. Nazim Mansehra 2001 - 2009 Federal Minister 2013 to ..
• Sardar Zahoor,Candidate for MPA PF-53, Mansehra since 1998
• Sardar Waqar Ul Mulk Advocate, Candidate for MPA, Adovocate High Court Abbottabad
• Choudhary Rahmat Ali, a Gujjar of Gorsi goth who coined the name of Pakistan.
• Chaudhry Abdul Rahim, ex-MLA United Punjab, MPA West Pakistan, MNA Pakistan, Member District Council Sialkot. Given the title of Khan Sahib by British Government ==(Shakargarh District Narowal)
• Chaudhry Idrees Taj, S/O Chaudhry Abdul Rahim, Member Majlis-e-shora Pakistan,of shakargarh
• Chaudhry Iftikhar Taj, S/o Chaudhry Abdul Rahim Ex. Vice Chairman District Council Narowal (Shakargarh District Narowal)
• Choudhary Rahmat Ali, a Gujjar of Gorsi goth who coined the name of Pakistan.
• chaudhry Fazal elahi ex president of Pakistan
• Chaudhry Abdul Rahim, ex-MLA United Punjab, MPA West Pakistan, MNA Pakistan, Member District Council Sialkot. Given the title of Khan Sahib by British Government ==(Shakargarh District Narowal)
• Chaudhry Idrees Taj, S/O Chaudhry Abdul Rahim, Member Majlis-e-shora Pakistan,of shakargarh
• Chaudhry Iftikhar Taj, S/o Chaudhry Abdul Rahim Ex. Vice Chairman District Council Narowal (Shakargarh District Narowal)
• Chaudhry Ishfaq Taj, S/o Chaudhry Abdul Rahim Ex (MNA) (Shakargarh District Narowal)
• A. K. Khalid, ex-Member Board of Revenue, Punjab (Tehsil Kharian, Distt Gujrat). Author of The Agrarian History of Pakistan.
• Chaudhry Sardar Muhammad, late. ex- IG Punjab.
• Sahibzada Ishaq Zafar ,Former President and caretaker Prime Minister of Azad Jammu&Kashmir and President of PPP AJ&K,remained Senior Minister, Speaker and opposition leader in AJ&K assembly.
• Malik Fazal Din (Late)son of Malik Muhammad Suleman, famous businessman and zaminadar of Taxila, Pakistan. He has done extended work for gujjars especially the gujjars of Swat.
• Chaudhry Amir Hussain, the current Speaker of[National Assembly of Pakistan].
• Chaudhry Jaffar Iqbal Ex Deputy Speaker National Assembly of Pakistan son of Ch. Muhammad Iqbal.
• Dr. Naseem Ahmed, Advisor to President of Pakistan for Science&Technology.
• Chaudhry Anwar Aziz, Ex-(MNA) & Federal Minister of Pakistan.
• Chaudhry Muhammad Iqbal, Minister of health, Govt. of Punjab, Pakistan.
• Chaudhry Muhammad Iqbal of Chellianwala District Gujrat (Now Mandibahauddin) Pakistan, Ex. Chief of Gujjar community of Pakistan & Ex. Member of National Assembly of Pakistan.
• Chaudhry Qamar Zaman Kaira (MNA), PPP Punjab, Pakistan.
• Chaudhry Nadeem Asghar Kaira, 'Tehsil Nazim Kharian', District Gujrat, Punjab, Pakistan.
• Daniyal Aziz (MNA), current Chairman National Reconstruction Bureau (NRB), S/o Chaudhry Anwar Aziz & an American Lady. PML Punjab, Pakistan.
• Fazal Ilahi Chaudhry the Former President of Pakistan.
• Ch.Muhammad Babar Hameed Gorsi a well known young Politician in Islamabad. Basically from Morli a well known village in Tehsil Shahkar Garh District Narowal.
• Nawabzadeh Gazanfar Gul, Member of central executive committee PPP PAKISTAN.
• Chaudhry Shair Muhammad gujjar,s/o Chaudhry Elam Din gujjar,tehsil Shakargarh,district narowal,sab cast khattana,a famous politician of Shakargarh,and former leader of khattana tribe,died on 6 June 1993.
• Dr. Faqeer Anjum, Director General National Institute of Food Science & Technology University of Agriculture Faisalabad.
• Chaudhry Akram Gujjar, MPA Lahore.
• Choudhry Mohammad Ramzan, D.I.G [Late].
• Choudary Abul Sattar Vario (from Sialkot) ex-Federal Minister.
• Choudary Akhtar Ali Vario (from Sialkot) ex-MNA.
• Choudary Khush Akhtar Subhani (from Sialkot) MPA (Punjab).
• Choudary Armghan Subhani from Sialkot (Punjab minister).
• Choudary Qurban Ali Chohan from Vehari, ex-MPA & MNA PPP,ex-District President PPP
• Chaudhry Khalid Mahmood Chohan MPA S/O Ch Qurban Ali Chohan from Vehari
• Chaudry Aftab Ahmad Gujjar, landlord, politician,transporter from Chak 3 NB Tehsil Bahalwal District Sargodha,Senior Advocate of Supreme Court of Pakistan & chief exucutive of High Court Bar Rawalpindi.
• Chaudhry Jaffar Iqbal S/O Ch Iqbal Chellianwala, EX-Speaker of National Assembly, Ex-MNA,Land Lord District Raham Yar Khan Pakistan
• Chaudhry Feroz Din Khaleeq, Tehsil Nazim of Samundri Faisalabad, Ex-President of Lawyer association of Samundri Civil courts, Land Lord, Social Worker, Author of two poetry books "Tera Sehar Mein and Chand Si Chahyra" from Chak No 217 G.B Tehsil Samundri District Faisalabad Pakistan
• Chaudry Alyas Ahmad Gujjar, famous tranporter, politician and landlord from Tehsil Bhalwal dist Sargodha Punjab Pakistan.
• Chauhdry Ahmad Mukhtar, Chack No. 165 GB Faisalabad, Pakistan, CSS officer, posted in Pakistan Embassy Switzerland.
• Chaudhary Masood Ahmad, from Bhadana goth, former Chairman, Pakistan Telecommunication Company Limited, Currently President, Anjuman Markazia Gujjaran, Pakistan (Registered)(a Nation-Wide active Non-Profit, Non-Governmental Organisation established in 1950 for the welfare of the Gujjar Community in Pakistan)
• Chaudhry Khalid Asghar Ghurral S/O Asghar Ali Ghurral, Member of Provincial Assembly Punjab and Parlimany Secertary of Sports.
• Chaudhry Muhammad Hussain Gujjar,goth Bhatia,from Burewala District Vehari,Retd.Senior Headmaster Govt.High School Burewala,Ex Director UNO's Project of Education Extension, a well known educationist & social personality of area, working for welfare of Gujjar community.
• Professor Chaudhry Mazher Hussain Gujjar S/O Ch Muhammad Hussain Gujjar,goth Bhatia,General Secretary Gujjar Youth Forum Burewala,General Secretary Ittehad-e-Asatza Pakistan,Department of English Government College Burewala
• Engr. Chaudhry Azher Hussain Gujjar S/O Ch Muhammad Hussain Gujjar,goth Bhatia, a professional Textile Engineer, working as Technical Manager,Mayfair Limited Lahore
• Chaudhry Muhammad Muneeb Gujjar Advocate S/O Ch Muhammad Hussain Gujjar,goth Bhatia, Advocate Civil courts Burewala District Vehari
• Chaudhry Zubair Hussain Gujjar S/O Ch Muhammad Hussain Gujjar,goth Bhatia, M.Phil University of Education Lahore
• Dr. Chaudhry Umair Hussain Gujjar S/O Ch Muhammad Hussain Gujjar,goth Bhatia, a well known personality of UAF, Vetrinary Doctor, University of Agriculture Faisalabd
• Chaudhry Mubashir Hassan, Brother in Law of Ch Khalid Asghar Ghurral (MPA ), Former General Secertary of PVC Pipe Association Gujrat, Franchisee of Mobilink and Warid
• Chaudhry Farrukh Shahzad S/O Arshad Mehmood, Manager of Warid Franchise Kharian and Gujrat, have the experience of Mobilink also
• Chaudhry Ilyas Ahmad Gujjar MPA, Qasur
• Chaudhry Azher Nadim MPA from Gojra District Toba tek Singh
• Chaudhry Khalid Nabi Gujjar MPA from Sammundri
• Chaudhry Sajjad Haider Gujjar MPA from Sheikhupura
• Chaudhry Javed Hassan Daad Gujjar MPA, Rahimyar Khan
• Chaudhry Shahbaz Gujjar MNA Samundri 2013
• Ch Ijaz Gujjar MNA Mandi Bahaodin 2013
• Ch Imran Mehdi Gujjar MPA Silawanli 2013
• Ch Gulzar Gujjar MPA Raiwind 2013
• Ch Khalid Gujjar MPA Candidate PTI 2013
• Ch Imran Yousaf Gujjar MPA Candidate PTI 2013
• Engr Iftikhar Ch Dupty Information Secretary PTI
• Shafqat Mehmood Gujjar MNA Lahore PTI 2013
• Ismeal Gujjar MPA & Minister Balochistan 2008
• Chaudhry Asghar Ali Gujjar MPA, Leyyah, Parliamentary Leader MMA
• Chaudhry Raja Khan (late) was well known as (baba raja)of KOTHA GUJJRAN TEH-KHARIAN, member of district council GUJRAT.
• Chaudhry Rahmat Khan (late), NUMBERDAR S/O Ch-Raja Khan of kotha gujjran
• Choudhry Ghulam Ahmed Zamurrad Yaqub (Tehsil Nazim Jhelum) Of Bala Gujjaran Gt Road Jhelum
• Shaibzada Ishaq Zafar (late) ex opposition leader of AJK assembly and president of Pakistan PPP AZAD JAMMU AND kASHMIR
• Chaudhry Latif Akbar, ex-minister of AJK Assembly and General Secretary PPP
• Chaudhry Mohammed Aziz, ex-education minister and now MLA AJK Assembly
• Chaudhry Mohammad Rafiq Neair ex-Minister of Heath Government of AJK
• Chaudhry Rukhsar Ahmad MLA AJK
• Chaudhry Mohammad Ismail MLA AJK
• Chaudhry Noor Alam (Late) Ex-minister of transport Government of AJK
• Chaudhry Mohammad Rasheed MLA AJK
• Chaudhry Jaffar Iqbal, A well educated and well known figure of Dinga (Gujrat). He have done his Masters in Political Sc. and is an old formanite. Served as senior roles in Islami Jamiet-e-Talaba, and now active figure in Politics of Gujrat district.
• CH M SARWAR GUJJAR S/O CH MUHAMMAD ALI GUJJAR,...A well known and active figure in politician of vehari Disst.
• Chaudry Rehmat Khan Theekrya (Late) was popularly Known as (BABA GUJJAR) OF chak no 3NB TEH Bhalwal Dist Sargodha,was a big landlord,polition & social worker.
• LATE Prof .Dr. Muhummad Sardar Alam Sarwar, Monan ,S/o Ch.Atta Muhummad Gujjar, Prof of Pediatrics, Quaid e Azam Medical College, Bahawalpur,Punjab,Pkistan. Originally from 370 JB ,Gojra ,Distt.Toba Tek Singh.
• Haseeb Alam, S/o Prof.Dr.Sardar Alam Sarwar,Pharmacist,Bahawalpur.
• Dr. Sajjad Alam,S/0 Dr.Sardar Alam Sarwar,Child specialist,Bahawalpur
• Dr.Mohsin Alam,s/0 Dr. Sardar Alam Sarwar, General Surgeon,FRCS, FCPS, Currently working in Edinburgh ,Scotland.
• Sohail Alam Gujjar,S/O Dr.Sardar Alam Sarwar ,Expoter of woven Apparel,Lahore.
• Dr. Muhammad Luqman Ali, Prof.Of Medicine, Quaid eAzam Medical College, Bahawalpur.
• Dr. Abdur Rehman (Sahiwal) PhD. University of Leeds. UK.
• Dr. Hadiyat Rasool Phd Agricultural University Faisalabad.
• Capt. Ali Chauhdry, Advisor to the members of the Saudi Royal family.
• Dr. Mazhar Mahmood,S/O Chaudhary Abdul Ghafoor( Kotha Gorsian,Jhelum),Specialist Anaesthetist,FANZCA, FCA(SA),DA(SA)currently in Private Practice in Rockhampton,Australia.
• Sajjad Haider Karim Gujjar Member European Parliament 3rd time and ex candidate for president European Parliament
• Karam Hussain Gujjar President Liberal Democrats Dewsbury UK
• Ch Safdar Barnali Anchor takbeer Tv Paris
• Ch Shahid latif Gujjar Barcelona social Worker
• Ch Maqsood Gujjar General Secretary Supreme Court Bar 2014.
• Ch Saleem Ladhi General Secretary Punjab Bar Council 2014
• Ch Hanif Gujjar Advocate General Punjab 2014
• Ch Abdul Hameed (R) Director LDA administration
• Sajjad Mehmood Chohan Gujjar DCO Sahiwal 2014
• Engr Azhar Gujjar Companies Registrar Lahore
• Ch Rizwan Gujjar EDO Finance & Planning Okara
• Ch Mubarak Ali Gujjar Joint Secretary Interior Ministry Punjab
• Ch Rasheed Ahmad Gujjar Chairman PEMRA
• Ch Ashraf Adv MNA Candidate 2013, Executive Member PEMRA, Ex President Islamabad High Court Bar
• Ch Zaka Ashraf Gujjar Ex Chairman PCB, Ex President Zari Tariqati Bank
• Ch Riaz Gujjar Chairman PIMS Staff Union
• Ch Qamar Zaman Chairman NAB 2014
• Ch Aslam Gujjar President Lahore Education Board Ettihad Group
• Ch Mohsin Gujjar Chairman Employees Union WASA Lahore 2014
• Ch Tariq Ayoub Gujjar Chairman Privatization Board Punjab 2014
• Ch Muzammal Perviz Gujjar General Director AIOU 2014
• Sardar Tariq Gujjar ex GM Wapda
• Sardar Fakhar Alam ex Chief Justice High court Peshawer
• Sohail Arshad Director Excise and Taxation Sargodha
• Zahoor Hussain EDO Finance Rahim yar Khan
• Arif Zia Special Magistrate Multan
• Ch Muhmmad Usman Civil Judge Jehlam
• Ch M Akram Tehsildar Gujranwala
• Ch Mazhar Iqbal Tehsildar Wazirabad
• Aftab Iqbal Tehsildar DG Khan
• Ijaz Ahmad Additional Secretary Finance & Welfare Lahore
• Ijaz Ch Federal Secretary inter provinces Isd
• Ch Irfan Mehmood United Nations (UN) as Administrative Specialist. Being international staff of UN, currently posted in Afghanistan
• Prof Jamil Khatna Kotali
• Ch Nazim Gujjar Dupty Administrative Kotily AJK
• Ch Mehmood Alam Director Excise and Taxation Mirpur AJK

• Pakistan Forces & Police..............Gujjar Pakistani Soldiers

• There are several Gujjar who served in the different core of Pakistan Army. They are un-countable number of Gujjar sons and daughters who served in Pakistan Armed Forces but in this list only those will be mentioned who reached the ranks of Generals, Air Chief Marshall and other respective higher ranks,
• Vice Chief of Army Staff General (R)Swar Khan
• Major Muhmmad Tufail Shaheed Nishan e Haider
• Major General Muzaffar-ud-Din, Governor of East Pakistan 1966 AD to 1968 AD.
• Lt General (R)Sajjad Akram Ex Cor Commander Pakistan Army
• Lt General Muzmal
• Lt General Bilal Akbar DG Rangers Sindh 2015
• Air Marshal Rahim Khan Commander in Chief Pakistan Air Force
• Air Vice Marshal Asif Chauhan Additional Secretary Ministry of Defence Pakistan
• Major General Muhammad Afzal Chaudhry (E & ME)
• Flight Lt. Salman Mahmood Chaudhry (No. 27 Squadron Pakistan Air Force .. .....
• Air Marshal (R)Arshad Ch ...............
• Maj General(R) Javeed Iqbal ....
• Maj General(R) Liaquat Ali
• Maj General(R) Zia Ul Haq Noor ................
• Maj General(R) Sardar M Khalid ...........
• Maj General(R) Dr M Anwer ..........
• Maj General Bilal Akbar DG Rangers Sindh 2014-2015
• Lt Col Haroon Islam Shaheed
• Brgd (R) Javid Iqbal
• Major (R) Muhmmad Farooq
• Air Vice Marshal( R) Sardar Asif .............
• Air Vice Marshal( R) Shahzad Ch ..........
• Air Vice Marshal( R) Saleem Arshad.........
• Air Marshal( R) M.Yousaf
• IG Punjab (R) Sardar Muhammad
• IG Motorway (R) Ch Naseem
• DIG Major Muhammad Ikraam
• Ch Shabir Gujjar DSP
• Ch Aslam SSP Karachi Shaheef
• SSP Investigation (R) Hassan Ahsan Ladhi
• Ch Fazal haq IG Punjab 1977
• Ch Shafeeq Gujjar ex CCPO lahore
• Ch Abdul Hameed Gujjar ex CCPO lahore
• Cptn Sohail Gujjar Chief City Traffic Police Lahore
• Malik Raab Nawaz DPO Noshahra
• Muhammad Masood DSP Traffic Multan
• Ch Riaz SP Quatta
• Ch Farman Chohan ex DSP Quatta
• Shahid Niaz DSP Circle Sadar Khaniwal
• Ch Mudassar Iqbal Gojar Inspector UNO Mission
• Ch Sultan Miran DSP Jehlam
• DSP Distt Mardan Noor Jamaal Khan Khatana

Famous Gujjar Poet

• Sahir Ludhanvi
• Wris Ludhanvi
• Hassan Din Hassan Gojri Poet

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  Famous Gujjar TV Anchor & Columnist

• Javid Ch Express News
• Aftab Iqbal Express News
• Israr Kassana PTV
• Osama Ghazi Dunya News
• Dr Safdar Mehmood Jang News

Famous Gujjar Players

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  • unbeatable Great Gamma (wrestler)
  • Shoaib Akhtar world's fastest bowler
  • Muhammad Asif (Bowler Pakistan Cricket)
  • Muhammad Ameen (Batsman Pakistan Cricket)
  • Mushtaq Ahmad Bowler Pakistan Cricket
  • Babar Gujjar (Pakistan Kabbadi)
  • Sajjad Gujjar (Pakistan Kabbadi)
  • Waqas Gujjar (Pakistan Kabbadi)
  • Mansha Gujjar (Pakistan Kabbadi)
  • M Ishfaq Gujjar (Shotakan Karate)
  • Rizwan Asif (Pakistan Football )
  • Olympian Naveed Alam (Pakistan Hockey)
  • Ehsan Adil Pakistan Cricket Team
  • Mir Nawaz gujjar Skiing Tamgha e imtiaz
  • Anwar Ali (Pakistan Cricet Team)

Model/Actor/Singer

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  • Ch Jabbar Gujjar Filmstar
  • Ch Asif Gujjar Model/Actor Dubai
  • Naeem Hazarvi Singer
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  • Qaisar Gujjar Model
  • Nawazish Gujjar Actor

Don't mean to rain on your parade, but the Great Gamma is of Kashmiri descent!!!

 

[Manidabest]

Arrain mostly came to punjab from Indian punjab. Some came before partition in different time frames and rest came at the time of Partition

Many of them came from there but mostof them were alread residing in Lahore, okara, sahiwal, kasur, and during the partition arains came from indian punjab too like amritsar, jalandhar, batala & gurdaspur. but the best part I find in arains are that we all are related or find out any kind of relation through uncles, aunties and distant relatives.
2nd question is if arrains are desendents of arab soldiers who landed in Sindh then how comes after 1000 years there r more arains in Punjab than Sindh?? due to any event of famine forced them to migrate to Punjab like Kashmiris moved to Punjab 200yrs ago?? or wars??

Duuuude I don't think Kashmiri "Dogars" exist.

If you're talking about the "Dogras", then they're a different ethnicity.



Don't mean to rain on your parade, but the Great Gamma is of Kashmiri descent!!!

brother typing error its dogras

With all due respect, nearly every Pakistani Muslim tribe seems to have invented a story of being descended from Arab soldiers. Now I do not dispute that some may indeed be, but every single one of them..? Seeing the genetic results for the Pakistanis that have done DNA tests, I haven't come across a single one who we can say for certain has much "arab" ancestry.

It's sad because of this childish attempt to link themselves with others have made them forget their own glorious past.

P.S. Don't consider this an attack on the Arrain, most of the ones who claim Arab descent are in the same bracket, including the Awans from whom I come from.

Exactly!!! soo my point is lets see if there is any fact or truth in that by acknowledging a common trait or characteristics or habits or stories of ancestors etc

But bhuttos migrated from Rajasthan because its recorded, no one knows from where else before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhutto_family

The older sindhi tribes are sammas and soomra.

most of originaly Sindhis are Rajputs and all their tribes have rajput ancestory soomro, samma, kalharo, palejos even memons

At least Jats never invaded India. They just migrated later than gujjar and rajputs.

Jats are Aryans and they definitely invaded india

 

[BHarwana]

Many of them came from there but mostof them were alread residing in Lahore, okara, sahiwal, kasur, and during the partition arains came from indian punjab too like amritsar, jalandhar, batala & gurdaspur. but the best part I find in arains are that we all are related or find out any kind of relation through uncles, aunties and distant relatives.
2nd question is if arrains are desendents of arab soldiers who landed in Sindh then how comes after 1000 years there r more arains in Punjab than Sindh?? due to any event of famine forced them to migrate to Punjab like Kashmiris moved to Punjab 200yrs ago?? or wars??

I don't agree with the fact that arrain are from Muhammad bin Qasim's army as their customs are very diffirent and don't have a slight touch of arabs. I know it has been a long time but there is not even a slight hint in there.

 

[Manidabest]

1.So are most punjabi jatts and rajputs muslim?
2.So what is the origin of my caste which is bais rajput from ajk.

Mostly Rajputs are Rajasthanis, Sindhis, kashmiris, & Punjabis. I think Rajasthanis & Sindhis is where the source is and where they finally settled after invading south asian region and from there they migrated for more land as invaders and that is where they end up in Punjab and Kashmir.

 

[_Khawaja]

Mostly Rajputs are Rajasthanis, Sindhis, kashmiris, & Punjabis. I think Rajasthanis & Sindhis is where the source is and where they finally settled after invading south asian region and from there they migrated for more land as invaders and that is where they end up in Punjab and Kashmir.

Rajputs are not Kashmiri.

 

[Kabaddi]

well whatever i have stated are very commonly known theories about Arains so i am looking forward to unveil the origins of all the clans.... 2ndly what if we r really from arabs or persians? 3rd they r all sunni muslims none of them r shia atleast i never came across any shia arain..



those are common theories which i have stated soo i m also looking for some characteristics which r common among arain or which gives some credit to their claim of arab descent or persian descent


Dogars of Punjab are different form pahari dogras Pahari dogras are actually kashmiri dogars and they r local ethnic tribe of kashmir but when it comes to Punjabi dogars they r ethnically more close to jatts and they are too local Punjabi tribe. They are considered brave and fighters. They resembles jatts more closely than any other tribe. their origin was of Hindus just like Kashmiri dogras but they r different group of people. the only share the name



1st of all if you read the history then palestine, lebanon, Jordan and modern day Syria was considered Shaam in english its called Syria but today it is as you know all those are countries. 2nd of all Arains have never had jewish background. May be they had christian background before islam came in that region as that region was under romans. But again that we can confirm IF we find any truth in a fact that arains are descendants of arab soldiers who accompanied Mohd. bin Qasim. The oldest surviving family with full records of arains is the family of baghbanpura Lahore who built shalamar garden in Lahore. 3rd. Bhuttos are not arains they are rajput clan resided in rajasthan but they migrated to Sindh when they coverted to Islam.

Arain are neither Arab "Banu Ommaya" they originally belongs to Syria but Omayyad Caliph sent them to Areha (Jericho) to keep check on Jews and when Mohammed bin Qasim was sent to Sindh he brings these fighter with him but later regime changed and Mohammed Bin Qasim was killed by Fatmids along with many Arains fighters so the families of the stranded soldiers left Jericho and Syria and join their male soldiers in subcontinent, These people due to prosicution migrated later 1 or two centuries and find refuge in this region later they were inducted into Mughal armies and they form sub casts according o their military skills

• Arains mostly use the family names (some former titles) of: Chaudhry, Mian, Mehar, Malik, Ramay, Bhutta, Ghurki, Ramday, Bhutto, Sardar, Kardar, Saleemi, Hijazi, Sheikh, Shah, Shami, Munda, Hansi, Gill, Daulay, Chachar, Gaellin, Mulanay, Qutab Shahi, Rattay, Goheer, Ghalar, Gahgeer, Gatku, Kavali, Basroo, Sappal, Jattalay, Bahalwan, Mudh, Teerandaz, Katarband, Bhaila, Rahi, Bhati, Multani, Sayal, Baga, Peer, Dhako and Alrai.

 

[redgriffin]

I have noticed that there is a very much interest of many members to discuss about Punjabi muslims so why not lets list and discuss Muslim Punjabi Tribes and their origins.

Arrains: Almost all of them are sunnis and they claim their descent from Syrian soldiers who migrated with Mohd. Bin Qassim from a town in Syria called Areeha ( in english "Jericho" ). Areeha was considered military district of Shaam region. It can be an exaggeration to their claim but one has to look into the research done about them. i read at wikipedia that there some people who think Arain are sub caste of rajputs but I think it is nonsense & some says that arains are persian origin race and Kambojahs are there closest cousins in this regard but again i dont know any kaamboj so i dont know their habits.

1. B blood group is common among them.
2. Most of them are sunnis muslims
3. Most of them live in Punjab and many of them are also living in Sindh
4. Mian, Chaudhry, Bhutta & Meher are common titles found among them
5. They dont have any sub tribes and castes.
6. They are small Landowners. Mostly grow vegetables ( in jokes people always talk about arrains and onions ) The place i mentioned in the introduction from where they originated it is called Areha in arabic and in English its called Jericho. I found out that the people there r into farming so may b there is a clue but then i can be wrong because many people in India are also into agri business too.
7. they are also famous to be in angry mood. ( an old sikh lady told me that Arain badday daadaay honday ne & when i told her that i am an Arrain she was like speechless and said pehle kyun nai dasyea ) i was laughing too.
8. They try not to marry into other tribes or castes but this is a trend of every tribe in Punjab or may i gues everywhere especially in muslim world. ( once a Syed Gillani girl told me that they tend to marry in Pathans and Rajputs and they see others including arrain as a low tribe)

This is what i have found so far please enlighten me with your knowledge of all other Tribes. It will be better if you tell some traits of the tribes as well thank you

Number 5: WRONG! There are plenty of Arain sub tribes around bro.
This point somewhat negates number 6 & relates to number 7 & expands on my point above. If you manage to get a compilation of Arain subtribe names, you'll find that an overwhelming majority of those names have a martial (military) origin signifying that unlike their present agrarian outlook, Arains are a martial ethnicity even older than the so called martial nations promoted by the British in their time of rule over the sub continent.
As far as point 8 is concerned, if you are a true Arain & find youself lucky enough to possess an authentic family tree like I do, you'll find that our actual origin goes back to the Banu Ummaya sub tribe of Quraish. Syeds, Farooqis etc are also like us Quraishi & descend from the Banu Hashim & Banu Adi subtribes of Quraish. Always remember this anyone tries to tell you that Arains are a lower ethnicity. Normally tribes of Arab descent in Pakistan generally tend to marry into eachother & this is why Arains preffer Arains though it is beginning to change. Some of my cousins are married to Sunni Syed girls & boys, a couple have married girls from Pathan families.

 

[Kabaddi]

Most of the Arain stop using these names and adopted honorary titles like Mian, Mehar, Malik, Choudhry or Sardar.

 

[Manidabest]

I don't agree with the fact that arrain are from Muhammad bin Qasim's army as their customs are very diffirent and don't have a slight touch of arabs. I know it has been a long time but there is not even a slight hint in there.

were you alive to note down the customs of Mohammad bin Qasim's army. also Anybody who lives in middle east must also know that the a famous appetizer " humus" is always served with onion and green chilli and these people of shaam region love vegetables and serve it in almost all the dishes. but this can be my one sighted experience may be there can be more things which i dont know and differ from my own experience.

Number 5: WRONG! There are plenty of Arain sub tribes around bro.
This point somewhat negates number 6 & relates to number 7 & expands on my point above. If you manage to get a compilation of Arain subtribe names, you'll find that an overwhelming majority of those names have a martial (military) origin signifying that unlike their present agrarian outlook, Arains are a martial ethnicity even older than the so called martial nations promoted by the British in their time of rule over the sub continent.
As far as point 8 is concerned, if you are a true Arain & find youself lucky enough to possess an authentic family tree like I do, you'll find that our actual origin goes back to the Banu Ummaya sub tribe of Quraish. Syeds, Farooqis etc are also like us Quraishi & descend from the Banu Hashim & Banu Adi subtribes of Quraish. Always remember this anyone tries to tell you that Arains are a lower ethnicity. Normally tribes of Arab descent in Pakistan generally tend to marry into eachother & this is why Arains preffer Arains though it is beginning to change. Some of my cousins are married to Sunni Syed girls & boys, a couple have married girls from Pathan families.

I doubt that we have some kind of Quraish ethnicity soo lets stick with arabs in general. i have a family tree of my Maternal side till 150yrs back and 100yrs of my paternal dad but they r cousins from 100yrs back like their family merge into ones if you go back in family tree... but i know that there r not any subtribes in arrain they are usually known through their land holding, professions and status in the society e.g. a small landowner is chaudhry, if he is a professional he becomes meher etc and they r known by the place they r settled in eg Jalandhari Arain.

 

[Kabaddi]

آرائیں کہاں سے آئے تھے؟
آرائیں ذات کے آباؤاجداد اریحائی فلسطینی عرب تھے، جو 712ء ميں دریائے اردن کے کنارے آباد شہر اريحا سے ہجرت کرکے آئے تھے۔ محمد بن قاسم کے ساتھ برصغير ميں داخل ہونے والی فوج کی تعداد 12,000 تھی، جس میں سے 6,000 اریحائی تھے۔ محمد بن قاسم تقریباً 4 سال تک سندھ میں رہے۔ اسی دوران گورنر عراق حجاج بن یوسف اور خلیفہ ولید بن عبدالملک کا یکے بعد دیگرے انتقال ہوگیا۔ خليفہ سلیمان بن عبدالملک نے تخت نشینی کے بعد حجاج بن یوسف کے خاندان پر سخت مظالم ڈھائے۔ اسی دوران اس نے محمد بن قاسم کو بھی حجاج بن یوسف کا بھتیجا اور داماد ہونے کے جرم میں گرفتار کرکے عرب واپس بلایا، جہاں وہ 7 ماہ قید میں رہنے کے بعد انتقال کر گئے۔

خليفہ کی ان ظالمانہ کارروائيوں کی وجہ سے اریحائی فوجیوں نے اپنے آبائی وطن واپس نہ جانے اور برصغیر ہی میں ہی قيام کا فيصلہ کرليا۔ خلیفہ کے عتاب سے بچنے کیلئے انہوں نے فوج کی ملازمت چھوڑ دی اور کھیتی باڑی کواپنا ذریعہ معاش بنا لیا۔ کچھ عشروں بعد وہ آہستہ آہستہ وسطی اور مشرقی پنجاب کی طرف چلے گئے اور وقت کے ساتھ ساتھ ان کی اگلی نسلیں پورے برصغیر میں پھیل گئیں۔
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اریحائی یا الراعی سے آرائیں​

صدیوں تک غیرعرب علاقے میں رہنے اور مقامی آبادیوں کے ساتھ گھل مل جانے کی وجہ سے عرب اریحائی جہاں اپنی عربی زبان چھوڑ کر عجمی ہوگئے، وہاں انہوں نے برصغیر کی مقامی زبانوں پر بھی گہرا اثر چھوڑا۔ یہی وجہ ہے کہ برصغیر کی زبانوں میں بےشمار عربی الفاظ شامل ہوتے چلے گئے۔ مقامی لوگوں کیلئے عربی کے حرف ’ح‘ کا اصل تلفظ کرنا مشکل تھا اور لفظ اریحائی وقت کے ساتھ ساتھ ’’ارائی‘‘ پھر ’’ارائیں‘‘ اور پھر بالآخر آرائیں بن گیا۔

ایک دوسرے امکان کے مطابق پہلے اریحائی لفظ الراعی سے تبدیل ہوا، جو عربی کا ہی ایک لفظ ہے، جس کے معنی چرواہے کے ہیں۔ الراعی میں ’ر‘ حرف شمشی ہے، جب اس سے پہلے ’الف لام‘ لگتا ہے تو ’الف‘ بولا جاتا ہے اور ’ل‘ حذف ہوجاتا ہے، یوں ’الراعی‘ سے اراعی ہوگیا۔ عجم حرف ’ع‘ کی ادائیگی نہیں کرتے، اس لئے حرف ’ع‘ حرف ’ء‘ کے ساتھ تبدیل ہوگیا، یوں ارائی سے جمع کی صورت میں ارائیں ہوگیا۔
ایک اور ضیعف روایت کے مطابق یوں بھی بعض کتب میں لکھا ہے کہ آرائیں آریان تہذیب سے تعلق رکھتے ہیں، جس کا پتہ ہڑپہ سے چلتا ہے، جہاں وہ لوگ تین ہزار قبل مسیح آباد تھے۔اس کے علاوہ ایک اور روایت بھی موجود ہے کہ یہ لوگ وسط ایشیائی ریاستوں سے برصغیر آئے تھے۔

مذکورہ بالا ضعیف روایات کی تردید میں آج کی آرائیں ذات کو ماضی کے اریحائی ثابت کرنے والے کہتے ہیں کہ برصغیر میں بسنے والے دیگر مسلمانوں کے برخلاف آرائیوں کی سو فیصد آبادی مسلمان ہے۔ اگر یہ کسی آریان تہذیب کی نسل سے ہوتے تو دیگر نومسلم ذاتوں کی طرح ان کی اتنی کثیر آبادی کا بیس تیس فیصد حصہ یقیناً ہندو یا سکھوں پر مشتمل ہوتا۔

محمد بن قاسم (علیہ رحمہ)کے لشکر سے آرائیں لفظ کی تشریح راجہ داہر کی قید میں ایک مسلمان لڑکی کی آواز پر لبیک کہنے والا بارہ ہزار عوام کا اسلامی لشکر چار حصوں پر مشتمل تھا پہلا حصہ کا نام مقدمتہ الجیش تھا جو کہ تھوڑے سے آدمیوں پر مشتمل تھا اور لشکر سے تین چار میل آگے سے راستہ کی راہنمائی کر رہا تھا ۔باقی دائیں طرف کا لشکر (میمنہ) اور بائیں طرف والا (میسرہ) اور درمیان والے لشکر کا نام( قلب )تھا ۔ ہر اسلامی لشکر کے پاس ایک جھنڈا ہوتا تھا جس کو فوج ہر صورت میں بلند رکھتی ہے ۔اور جنگ کے اختتام پر یہ مفتوحہ زمین پر گاڑ دیا جاتا ہے ۔اس جھنڈے کا ذکر نبی اکرم محمد ( صلی اللہ تعالی علیہ والہ وسلم ) نے جو غزوات خود لڑے ان میں بھی ہے اور صحابہ اکرام (ر ضوان اللہ تعالی اجمعین )نے ان کو گرنے سے بچانے کے لیے شہادتیں نوش فرمائیں ہیں ۔ اس فتح کے نشان والے جھنڈے کا نام (الرائیہ) ہوتا تھا۔ فتح کے بعد اس شامی فوج کے سپاہی کو الرائیہ کی نسبت سے الرائیی کہا جانے لگا لفظ الرائیی عربی میں جب بولا جاتا ہے تو سننے میں آرائیں ہوتا ہے کیونکہ اسکے بعد ل بولی نہیں جاتی ۔الرائیی لفظ کو انگلش میں آرین کہتے ہیں۔
انگلش تاریخ دانوں نے جو یہ لکھا ہے کہ آرین نے یورپ سے آکر یہاں حملہ کیا اور آباد ہوئے بالکل ٹھیک لکھا ہے کیونکہ جب یہ واقعہ ہوا اس وقت شام میں اسلامی خلافت اور دنیا کی سپر پاور تھی اور اس سلطنت کے علاقے یورپ میں بھی تھے اس وقت جب یہ لشکر شام کے جس علاقے سے بھیجا گیا وہ آج بھی شامی علاقہ یورپ کی حدود میں واقعہ ہے.۔خلاصہ کلام یہ کہ آرائیں قوم برصغیر پاک وہند میں عرب سے محمد بن قاسم کی قیادت میں ہی آئی تھی۔جو بعد میں مستقل طور پریہاں رہائش پذیر ہوگئی۔ان میں زیادہ تر لوگ آج بھی کھیتی باڑی کے شعبے سے ہی منسلک ہیں۔ واللہ اعلم

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@Manidabest

An Arain freedom fighter
Punjab's reputation as a loyalist province, which provided the British Indian Army with soldiers and a solid socio-political support base in the form of a dependent landed class, has eclipsed its rather variegated history, which includes heroic tales of resistance to occupation and foreign rule throughout the ages. Thus, for example, Raja Porus, who ruled a principality in northern Punjab in the ancient period, gave stiff resistance to the invading armies of Alexander the Great, but was defeated by the Greeks near Jhelum in 326 BC. The Khatris of Punjab claim him among their ancestors.

According to Kalpana Sahni -- daughter of the famous Rawalpindi-born, Government-College-Lahore-educated Bollywood actor, the late Balraj Sahni, the Khatris of Behra to which their family belongs -- trace their ancestry to Porus. She has narrated this story on the authority of another famous Punjabi Khatri family with a connection to Government College, Lahore, and to Bollywood: Chetan Anand, the noted late Indian filmmaker and elder brother of evergreen, matinee hero Dev Anand.

Then, there is the story of Dulla Bhatti, a Muslim Rajput who led a rebellion against the Mughals during the reign of Akbar. His story has been rendered in both poetry and prose. Rai Ahmed Khan Kharal, claimed both by Muslim Rajputs and Jatts, who took up arms against the British from western Punjab during 1857, is another hero in that tradition.

Closer to our own times, the legend of Bhagat Singh, a Sikh Jatt, has only grown bigger with time, and several Bollywood pictures have been made on that theme. The Kambohs take pride in Udham Singh from their caste who shot dead Sir Michael O'Dwyer, the Punjab governor who originally gave orders for harsh action at Jallianwala, on April 13, 1919. The actual carnage had been ordered on the spot by General Dyer.

However, one great freedom fighter from Punjab whose heroic struggle has not been given proper recognition is Shah Abdul Qadir Ludhianvi. His direct descendant, Maulana Habibur Rahman Sani, who is currently the chief imam of the main Friday Mosque in Ludhiana, in east Punjab, provided me detailed information on him in an interview recorded on Jan 4, 2005, in the courtyard of the mosque.

Maulana Sani's grandfather, Maulana Habibur Rahman, was one of the founders of the Majlis-e-Ahrar, a movement of anti-imperialist nationalist Muslims, who returned to India after spending one day in Lahore in August 1947, arguing that thousands of Muslims remained in east Punjab and they should not be abandoned. That is how that family remained in Ludhiana.

My attention to Maulana Sani was drawn by Baldev Raj Verma, owner of Naseem Hosiery in Ludhiana, whose father, Hansraj, was on the famous Japanese ship, Komagata Maru, in 1914 chartered by Punjabis, mainly Sikhs, to get to Canada. They were refused entry. It resulted in the emergence of the Ghadar Party and the first anti-colonial struggle in early 20th century in Punjab.

Mr Verma informed me that a famous Muslim family of freedom fighters from Ludhiana still lived in the town centre and were in charge of the main mosque, where thousands of Muslims congregated every Friday to pray. Ludhiana is the major industrial city of east Punjab. Indeed workers from all over India come and work there, among them a very large numbers of Muslims from UP and Bihar.

Maulana Habibur Rahman Sani informed me that his family belonged to the Arain biradari (patrilineage). His great, great grandfather, Shah Abdul Qadir Ludhianvi, was the first in Punjab to take up arms against the English East India Company in 1857. He collected a large fighting force, which included Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs, that drove the English out of not only Ludhiana but also Panipat. He then headed to Delhi with his men to support Bahadur Shah Zafar. He fell fighting along with thousands of others at Chandni Chowk in 1857.

In British records Ludhianvi is described as a fiery speaker who exercised considerable influence on the people in that region. Some reports incorrectly describe him as a Gujjar. In any event, the British deprived his family of their property and subjected them to other forms of persecution. The Arains in general were branded as a dangerous group, their lands were confiscated and they were excluded from recruitment in the army; hence their classification as a non-martial group.

However, his descendants continued to support revolutionary struggles and both the Ghadar Party and later Bhagat Singh's associates were aided by them. They also helped Subhash Chandra Bose cross Punjab safely into the North-West Frontier Province. The Tribune, Chandigarh, of Jan 7, 2001, carried a story on the anti-imperialist services of that family.

It is worth remembering that the British adopted similar harsh measures against the Bengalis and Biharis, and some tribes and castes from UP that took part in the Uprising of 1857. They were also declared unfit for military service. Therefore, excluding Arains from the army was consistent with British policy on rebellious tribes and castes.

However, in the ancient, Mughal and Sikh periods, Arains had held prominent positions, such as governors and army generals. Many gotras, or sub-clans, of the Arains bear names that indicate soldiering as an occupation. For example: Ghalar, Gahgeer and Goheer (ferocious horse of armoured corps), Gatku (fencer), Kavali (soldier patrolling while others rest), Basroo (observation post), Bahman (brave, uncontrollable or insurmountable), Bhaila (alms-keeper who walks with the commander when he is giving away alms after a victory), Daulay (those who got land in return for military services), Khatora (spy), Ramay (archers), Rattay (bloody, red, ferocious fighters), Ramday (red -eyed soldiers), Labanay (an army column equipped with batons), Jatalay (victors), Qutub Shahi: (soldiers or their offspring who accompanied Qutubuddin Aibak), Sappal (marksmen), Bahalwan (driver of a chariot), Mudh (logisticians supplying logistics and reinforcement to the army), Teerandaz (archers), Katarband (users of katar, a weapon used by ancient armies) and Bhutto (dwellers of high places).

It would be interesting if some filmmaker in Pakistan could depict the saga of Shah Abdul Qadir Ludhianvi on the silver screen. It would be important to contact his family in Ludhiana for more details, but more importantly the script should remain faithful to the true legacy of that great man. He was by no means a religious fanatic, although he described his struggle against the British as jihad. He was a patriot who joined hands with all communities in the first major struggle against the colonial takeover of the subcontinent.



The writer is a visiting senior research fellow at the Institute of South Asian Studies (ISAS),

National University of Singapore.

By:Ishtiaq Ahmed

 

[Manidabest]

Arain are neither Arab "Banu Ommaya" they originally belongs to Syria but Omayyad Caliph sent them to Areha (Jericho) to keep check on Jews and when Mohammed bin Qasim was sent to Sindh he brings these fighter with him but later regime changed and Mohammed Bin Qasim was killed by Fatmids along with many Arains fighters so the families of the stranded soldiers left Jericho and Syria and join their male soldiers in subcontinent, These people due to prosicution migrated later 1 or two centuries and find refuge in this region later they were inducted into Mughal armies and they form sub casts according o their military skills

• Arains mostly use the family names (some former titles) of: Chaudhry, Mian, Mehar, Malik, Ramay, Bhutta, Ghurki, Ramday, Bhutto, Sardar, Kardar, Saleemi, Hijazi, Sheikh, Shah, Shami, Munda, Hansi, Gill, Daulay, Chachar, Gaellin, Mulanay, Qutab Shahi, Rattay, Goheer, Ghalar, Gahgeer, Gatku, Kavali, Basroo, Sappal, Jattalay, Bahalwan, Mudh, Teerandaz, Katarband, Bhaila, Rahi, Bhati, Multani, Sayal, Baga, Peer, Dhako and Alrai.

well i heard of that story that they were soldiers and they were stationed at jericho to keep an eye on roman christians and they joined Mohd. bin Qasim and then they stayed back and Mohd. bin Qasim was killed by hajjaj bin yousaf because there was some conspiracy against him. Then those soldiers spread as far as multan due to Mohd. bin Qasim campaigns. later a famine in Sindh they migrated to punjab region for greener pastures. this is what i heard too. about their subtribes: they use titles according to their status in society Chaudhry, Mian, meher and also as i said use the places name to show that they belong to that place but they are arains Bhutta (may b a place dominated by Rajput bhattis), Ghurki ( a village near border in Lahore) , Shami( zero idea may b to emphasize the origin), Ramay & Ramday ( may b a place dominated by rajputs), Multani & Jalandhari( names of cities where they lives & lived).

Rajputs are not Kashmiri.

read what i mentioned.. rajputs have migrated and settled in kashmir but tthey are not kashmiris

 

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I should have clarified I was referring to the Punjabi Muslim tribes. And no I never said the Arab or Turks vanished. But that line of reasoning can quite easily be contradicted by the example of the Norman invasion of England. In recent genetic testing, hardly any of the population of the U.K shows and "Norman" input, and if we go back and look at the Roman invasion, the same is concurred again. However, I won't go too much in to that as I don't think you actually want to discuss that.

Frankly I don't know enough about Pushtun tribes so I won't comment on them, as for Awans I come from that tribe. I have my own dna tested and I have also seen the results for a dozen others. There is nothing "arab" about their genetics, unless you count the paternal haplogroup which used alone doesn't prove "Arab" ancestry.

And people have changed ancestries in Pakistan and India, unless of course you are accepting that there are now more Syeds here than the rest of the world combined. I don't mind people claiming to be whatever they want, personally I just find it amusing when they can't back it up with anything concrete. I am not doubtful about my ancestry, already know where I come from.

It is just an academic discussion, no need to take it to heart, lad.

Why should I take it to heart ?
I am also talking about Punjabi Muslims, and my point is when according to you all Punjabis are from local blood lines then where all the invaders vanished ?
If we have foreign bloodlines in Pushtun belt. Though invasions were not much like in Punjab, then Punjab must have these foreign bloodlines, living inside Punjab.

I am not aware of anyone who wants to change his/her bloodline from original father. It's extremely disgraceful act.