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Muslim immigrants want Switzerland to change national flag

great 7 pages of debate by mostly Indians about the Immigrants in Switzerland

how very relevant

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lol, only a dumbass would demand this.
what about someone who will actually make a news and a thread out of it?

how does it relate to Pakistan? guilty by association?
 
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yes you are completely right, it is up to us to control the words each and every 1 billion plus Muslims out there......
give it a rest, people say stupid stuff all the time.
Haters like to pick on them and generalize to feed their own bigotry.
come on mate, i am not asking you to take responsibility for every one, but in a country say swiz, how may Muslims are there, how many? they are only a handfull of people and they do join together at prayers atleast every week or month, why it it not propagated to fellow muslims not to make such demands which attracts false name to Islam.
 
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great 7 pages of debate by mostly Indians about the Immigrants in Switzerland

how very relevant

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what about someone who will actually make a news and a thread out of it?

how does it relate to Pakistan? guilty by association?

Lie No.1: Most posts are made by Indians

Pakistani posts: 43

Indian Posts: 25

Lie No. 2: It is not relevant to Pakistanis

When Pakistanis like Zarvan post such opinion, it is not too illogical to have a debate on the issue .

Muslims first should focus on preaching Islam and converting people so when Muslims will come in Majority they will be able to do what they should want
 
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That's not what the discussion was about. It was about Western media going out of its way to single out and demonize Muslims, and the Pakistani media not doing the same to minorities.

I said the Pakistani media was 'supportive' of minorities and I gave you examples where their traditions and rituals were broadcast on mainstream TV. When's the last time you saw Muslim Eid prayers in full on national TV throughout America?

since you brought it up! - I think they " minorities" you speak off , would gadly take the right to be treated w/ dignity and have the right to run for office ( all office) and pay no " non - mulsim tax" as the sign of truely caring about minorities. Govt laws that don't persecute ahmedeis would be great too..
 
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very funny why not islamic republic of swiss? hahaha its their land and their flag muslims just do there job earn money and eat thats nice way to stay in swiss .
 
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Great... just great. Then you wonder how right wing is rising in European politics; something which it never has in its democratic history.

Change the flag of Switzerland; what's next? Replace Union Jack with star and crescent? And what about Canadian leaf? Make it green with a moon sign as well.

And then people here ask why Europeans are worried about their national culture. Sheesh :blink:.
 
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its so nice of Swiss govt that they listening to immigrants so much for changing the flag but not giving them basic right for constucting the places for worship freely....:smokin:
 
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lol who care what they say !!! There are always some idiots...

Prophet Mohammed said when u move to some place you should follow there rules and if u cant be a good muslim in that place move to another place.

So if we muslims knew our relgion better so would not be in deep **** as we are today.
 
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There is article by a pakistani British that asks to look introspectively on how paksitani muslim immigrants( not all ofcourse) play role in pushing attitudes of others in a negative fashion. In fact it states that Pakistan is more modern and fashionable than Pakistani British.

I've visited england and leeds several times and dare say I notice that very many are more, how can I say this, inclined to radical traits. Pakistanis in the US ( younger generation) I see at marraiges here- they are hip and smart . what happens to them in these other countries?
10 things I hate about being a British Pakistani – The Express Tribune

1. The fundamentalist fashion. The wiry beards on the chins of teenage boys from Bradford to Bristol are already looking a bit passé, fellas. Props for predicting the ankle-swinger trend before it became universally fashionable, though.



2. The lack of progression. I’ve only been to Pakistan three times, but it’s clear our native Pakistani brethren are years ahead of us in terms of ideas, fashion and entertainment. Your women wear sleeveless kurtis with jeans, we’re still in patiala shalwars. Let’s use our politicians as a crude metaphor: you have Hina Rabbani Khar, we’ve got Sayeeda Warsi.



3. The pitiful selection of spouses. Is it just me or are we facing a bit of a crisis here girls? It seems we have a few options. 1. The Cousin 2. The Rudeboy 3. The Mummy’s Boy who won’t leave his postcode 4. The Imam wannabe 5. The Party Animal or 6. A mixture of 4 and 5, depending on which day of the week it is.



4. The need for role models. Apart from the boxer Amir Khan — and he really doesn’t have universal appeal — we have none. I’m not talking about ‘successful people’ here, I mean genuinely famous ones. On the Wikipedia page for ‘List of British Pakistanis’ our famous ones include a fictional television character, a Michael Jackson impersonator and someone called Nigel Le Vaillant.



5. The outrage at mixed marriages. We arrived in Britain a very long time ago. Aunties, Uncles, larkis and larkas, it’s natural that a few of us will marry white (or even black) people.



6. The feeling of inadequacy. Although British Pakistanis have formed a strong community of our own, the facts remain unchanged. We will always just be a bunch of BBCDs to ‘real’ Pakistanis or a load of ‘Pakis’ to the (far rightish) British people.



7. The invasion of privacy. My father has nicknamed one of my Aunties ‘Radio Pakistan’. You might have thought Twitter was the quickest way to spread information/gossip. That is, of course, until you meet this Aunty and many others like her.



8. The expectation that we can all speak Urdu. Jinnah didn’t speak it well and desi films have subtitles now, so there are enough excuses not to be fluent. Don’t be surprised that to some, Urdu might as well be Swahili.



9. The “Are you X?” question. Fill X in with any other brown race you can think of. “No, I’m Pakistani!” should be tattooed on my forehead.



10. The assumption that all Britpaks know each other. There are more than a million of us here. Although most of us come from the same region (i.e. somewhere in the Punjab), no I really don’t know your doctor, taxi driver or the lady who taught you how to make a curry last year.
 
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The Imam has any idea whats his version of the flag is going to look like. Is there a cres csent in there. Maybe some green. I think he should show what his version is.
 
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since you brought it up! - I think they " minorities" you speak off , would gadly take the right to be treated w/ dignity and have the right to run for office ( all office) and pay no " non - mulsim tax" as the sign of truely caring about minorities. Govt laws that don't persecute ahmedeis would be great too..

My comment was about media portrayal of minorities. But, then again, you have amply demonstrated your difficulties with English comprehension, so we never had high hopes to begin with.
 
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I always try to evaluate whether such criticism is just or unjust. It's not like all groups in this world are the same. Who do you think are likely the better group of people, convicts in an American jail or non-convicts outside it?

Your phrasing begs the question. The issue here is how valid is the media's characterization of Muslims in general by portraying the extremists as a representative sample. In your example, it would akin to the media focusing almost exclusively on the convicts as being a fair representation of Americans in general.

Not my thing, but I did see such a thing on cable a decade ago, from a Virginia mosque - but I didn't stay tuned in to see if the stuff was broadcast in full.

Oh come now. Surely you are not comparing local public access cable to the big four (ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX) on the national stage?

I haven't been to Pakistan lately but, when I used to live there, we saw the Christmas mass in its entirety on national TV.
 
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7. The invasion of privacy. My father has nicknamed one of my Aunties ‘Radio Pakistan’. You might have thought Twitter was the quickest way to spread information/gossip. That is, of course, until you meet this Aunty and many others like her.

Lol they should use Aunties for tracking neutrinos im sure gossip travels faster than light.

In fact it states that Pakistan is more modern and fashionable than Pakistani British.


It happens in many immigrant communities the people who left tend to cling to the way things were when they left while people "back home" move on. I saw it in the Maltese comunity in Sydney girls were expected to dress and behave modestly like post war Malta while back in Malta girls were in shorts and halter tops and kissing boys in the streets.
 
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If this is for real, the solution is simple. The Muslim community in Switzerland needs to get its head of its as$ and make a public statement disowning these clowns. Maybe even circulate a petition requesting deportation on the basis of inciting anti-State activities.

With your permission, may I submit something.
Representatives of the Muslim community in Switzerland (only if they wish to do so) may make a statement disassociating themselves from such sentiments. Apart from that, it is only a matter for the local authorities to handle (as per the laws). The elders of the community need not be held to account for the expressions of a few (even more so if it is only articulated in words). AFAIK, there is some freedom of expression in Switzerland; so even a (lunatic?) fringe can express its views in a non-violent and non-confrontational manner. And follow the prevailing local laws while doing so. Apart from that why should migrants (of any community) be called upon to persistently and stridently demonstrate their allegiance/conformance to their adopted country?

Will that be fair??
 
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