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A sense of betrayal’: liberal dismay as Muslim-led US city bans Pride flags

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He’s a good troll ngl 😂

Also on the frontlines for Patwaris too

Many of them are deliberately coming here and creating pro Patwari posts to further incite friction between Pakistanis. He’s one of them and many others. I noticed the behavior patterns which I won’t type out here to not aid them in their mission. This rat is one of them.
 
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This was always going to be an issue. Muslim people on average are very socially conservative, and as such would be natural allies of the religious right in western Christian countries.

Being allies with the half commie ultra liberal pro lgbt lefty lot was never going to work. Even in the UK, Christians and Muslims were protesting against some crap that they were teaching/indoctrinating the kids with in schools not that long ago.
It is not all sunshine and roses. There are some inherent contradictions. It is the 'ultra liberal pro lgbt lefty' that sometimes pulls the wagon, for example when fighting against bigotry like Islamophobia. For many socially conservative people, they are 'others' from 'S* H*' countries anyway, as their messiah colorfully described. It was ACLU that was up in cudgels against the Muslim travel ban. Without ACLU, it might have remained the law of the land like the 'Remain in Mexico' policy.
 
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Many liberals celebrated when Hamtramck, Michigan, elected a Muslim-majority council in 2015 but a vote to exclude LGBTQ+ flags from city property has soured relations

In 2015, many liberal residents in Hamtramck, Michigan, celebrated as their city attracted international attention for becoming the first in the United States to elect a Muslim-majority city council.

They viewed the power shift and diversity as a symbolic but meaningful rebuke of the Islamophobic rhetoric that was a central theme of then Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump’s campaign.

This week many of those same residents watched in dismay as a now fully Muslim and socially conservative city council passed legislation banning Pride flags from being flown on city property that had – like many others being flown around the country – been intended to celebrate the LGBTQ+ community.

Muslim residents packing city hall erupted in cheers after the council’s unanimous vote, and on Hamtramck’s social media pages, the taunting has been relentless: “Fagless City”, read one post, emphasized with emojis of a bicep flexing.

In a tense monologue before the vote, Councilmember Mohammed Hassan shouted his justification at LGBTQ+ supporters: “I’m working for the people, what the majority of the people like.”

While Hamtramck is still viewed as a bastion of multiculturalism, the difficulties of local governance and living among neighbors with different cultural values quickly set in following the 2015 election. Some leaders and residents are now bitter political enemies engaged in a series of often vicious battles over the city’s direction, and the Pride flag controversy represents a crescendo in tension.

“There’s a sense of betrayal,” said the former Hamtramck mayor Karen Majewski, who is Polish American. “We supported you when you were threatened, and now our rights are threatened, and you’re the one doing the threatening.”

For about a century, Polish and Ukrainian Catholics dominated politics in Hamtramck, a city of 28,000 surrounded by Detroit. By 2013, largely Muslim Bangladeshi and Yemeni immigrants supplanted the white eastern Europeans, though the city remains home to significant populations of those groups, as well as African Americans, whites and Bosnian and Albanian Americans. According to the 2020 census some 30% to 38% of Hamtramck’s residents are of Yemeni descent, and 24% are of Asian descent, largely Bangladeshi.

After several years of diversity on the council, some see irony in an all-male, Muslim elected government that does not reflect the city’s makeup.

The resolution, which also prohibits the display of flags with ethnic, racist and political views, comes at a time when LGBTQ+ rights are under assault worldwide, and other US cities have passed similar bans, with the vast majority driven by often white politically conservative Americans.

While the situation in Hamtramck largely evolved on its own local dynamics, some outside rightwing agitators connected to national Republican groups have been pushing for the ban on Hamtramck’s social media pages and voiced support for it at Tuesday’s meeting. They are from nearby Dearborn where they were part of an effort last year to ban books with LGBTQ+ themes.

Their talking points mirror those made elsewhere: some Hamtramck Muslims say they simply want to protect children, and gay people should “keep it in their home”.

But that sentiment is “an erasure of the queer community and an attempt to shove queer people back in the closet”, said Gracie Cadieux, a queer Hamtramck resident who is part of the Anti-Transphobic Action group.

Mayor Amer Ghalib, 43, who was elected in 2021 with 67% of the vote to become the nation’s first Yemeni American mayor, told the Guardian on Thursday he tries to govern fairly for everyone, but said LGBTQ+ supporters had stoked tension by “forcing their agendas on others”.

“There is an overreaction to the situation, and some people are not willing to accept the fact that they lost,” he said, referring to Majewski and recent elections that resulted in full control of the council by Muslim politicians.

Though the city’s Muslims are not a monolith and some privately told the Guardian they were “frustrated” with council, the only leader to publicly question it was the former city council member Amanda Jaczkowski, a Polish American who converted to Islam.

In a statement, she raised concerns about the move’s legality: “There are far too many questions to pass this today with any semblance of responsibility.”

On one level, the discord that has flared between Muslim and non-Muslim populations in recent years has its root in a culture clash that is unique to a partly liberal small US city now under conservative Muslim leadership, residents say. Last year, the council approved an ordinance allowing backyard animal sacrifices, shocking some non-Muslim residents even though animal sacrifice is protected under the first amendment in the US as a form of religious expression.

When Michigan legalized marijuana, it gave municipalities a late 2020 deadline to enact a prohibition of dispensaries. Hamtramck council missed the deadline and a dispensary opened, drawing outrage from conservative Muslims who demanded city leadership shut it down. That ignited counterprotests from many liberal residents, and the council only relented when it became clear it had no legal recourse.

At other times, the issues are not unique to Hamtramck. In the realm of local politics, personal fights among neighbors, warring factions and dirty politics are a common part of the democratic process across the US.

“I don’t know that we’re really all that different from other cities in most ways,” Majewski said.

However, race and religion add more fraught layers to Hamtramck’s issues. Islamophobia exists here, and some Muslims say they saw bigotry in local voter fraud investigations, and in LGBTQ+ supporters not respecting their religion.

But Majewski said the majority is now disrespecting the minority. She noted that a white, Christian-majority city council in 2005 created an ordinance to allow the Muslim call to prayer to be broadcast from the city’s mosques five times daily. It did so over objections of white city residents, and Majewski said she didn’t see the same reciprocity with roles reversed.

Ghalib disagreed, and labeled the prayer broadcast a “first amendment issue” while noting no one was asking for city hall to broadcast the calls.

Moreover, the white majority council was not always hospitable to Muslim residents who have previously faced overt racism. And with a majority-Muslim council in place, more Muslims had been appointed to boards and commissions, and hired in city hall. So had some LGBTQ+ residents, Ghalib added.

Despite the political clashes, he thinks there is hope for Hamtramck to live up to its multicultural ideals.

“We can get along and people are not violent here,” he said.

Cadieux agreed peaceful coexistence was possible.

“We aren’t in the business of excluding people from our society and I’m not going to exclude socially conservative Muslims – they have a place at the table just like everyone else,” she said. “However, they cannot, and will not, shove another community out of the way.”


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How is this betrayal? As Muslims we have a right to be against LGBT.
 
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I hope in USA Private schools become affordable, I heard Private Islamic schools are expensive.
 
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no sane person will ever accept this rainbow filth
The only thing most people, on all sides use to ask for is tolerance, not acceptance only tolerance.

For example, we never expected any major accommodation for Eid or anything else, we made due with vegetation or fish options all throughout school or packed lunches from home.

In turn we tolerated gay events and avoided the areas for the duration, usually a few hours. Live and let live.

It’s the changes to the curriculum in the elementary and middle schools that have parents pushing back. I’ll be sending my kids to private Islamic school, Inshallah, and not just because of this these new changes but for a number of reasons.
 
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Western conservatives/right wing are overtly racist & Islamophobic

Liberals/Left wing are closet racists & islamophobes.

That's all that needs to be said
 
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If LGBT laws help closeted pedophiles and predators come out and engage in consensual sex then yeah, sure, why the hell not?!

A lot of pedophiles are basically closeted faggots with no way to vent out their 'steam.' So, they target our children instead.
You have described about 90% of users of this forum. Closeted "faggots" are those who vehemently obsess over how gays live their life, they are those who harp on about "tradition" and "conservative values", they are those who are outspoken about their anti gay views and obsess over their presence, you see where I am going with this?
 
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You have described about 90% of users of this forum. Closeted "faggots" are those who vehemently obsess over how gays live their life, they are those who harp on about "tradition" and "conservative values", they are those who are outspoken about their anti gay views and obsess over their presence, you see where I am going with this?


Go down to your average working men's club and ask the white British men there for their opinions on gay sex! I bet most would happily see is outlawed it this is hateful website users on here then wtf are you doing on here for
 
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You have described about 90% of users of this forum. Closeted "faggots" are those who vehemently obsess over how gays live their life, they are those who harp on about "tradition" and "conservative values", they are those who are outspoken about their anti gay views and obsess over their presence, you see where I am going with this?

On the contrary, it's you gays & liberals who "obsess" over how others live their lives. When you're not forcing LGBT down Western throats, you waste millions of dollars in trying to promote this nonsense in Muslim countries instead of using that money to feed & house your own people. Talk about obsession. Are you guys closeted Muslims? You see where I'm going with this?
 
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Catholics and Muslims of north America are vocal against LGBT rainbow being shoved in people's faces.
They should help each other against this onslaught
Not really
Catholics don't care about anyone straight or LGBT they care about their audience

If it suits them they will call themselves as homosexuals and we are seeing that happen already

They will never support Muslims as that is competition
 
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Not really
Catholics don't care about anyone straight or LGBT they care about their audience

If it suits them they will call themselves as homosexuals and we are seeing that happen already

They will never support Muslims as that is competition


I'm pretty sure orthodox Christians and Jews would believe in roughly the same thing Ban on gay sex.
 
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I'm pretty sure orthodox Christians and Jews would believe in roughly the same thing Ban on gay sex.
No ...they believe in traffic and audience
So same check in California will welcome same sex couples and will have gay pasters but will ban gays in west Virginia or Texas

It's all about money and traffic for every religion even same for Muslims but we haven't reached that point yet lol

Majority of churches here don't discriminate against gays..

Just a very few conservative communities are like that

Even the pope is fine with it so catholic pretty much we all know the official position
 
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The only thing most people, on all sides use to ask for is tolerance, not acceptance only tolerance.

For example, we never expected any major accommodation for Eid or anything else, we made due with vegetation or fish options all throughout school or packed lunches from home.

In turn we tolerated gay events and avoided the areas for the duration, usually a few hours. Live and let live.

It’s the changes to the curriculum in the elementary and middle schools that have parents pushing back. I’ll be sending my kids to private Islamic school, Inshallah, and not just because of this these new changes but for a number of reasons.
its because of tolerance this filth got a foothold in our societies. Islam has zero tolerance towards this filth. when you start to tolerate everything you dont stand for anything. the main agenda of this lgbtq filth is to destroy family norms, moral values and to create a hypersexualized society.
 
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