Muslim has no country or nationality - Allama Iqbal
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Hmm..
Havent seen the clip but going by the title alone ..herein lies the root of the problem.
A contentious subject but I feel religion & nation are like a man's parents & wife.
Both have a place which cannot be changed / replaced, both need to be respected , both need to be lovingly nurtured but one cannot replace another and not cross the line & step into each others domain.
Often their ' requirements ' clash with one another. Yet it for the man to tread the thin line and maintain his balance.
Iqbal and many others may feel as the title suggests but Govts of even the most " pious' & hard line nations do not appear to concur.
Havent seen the clip but going by the title alone ..herein lies the root of the problem.
A contentious subject but I feel religion & nation are like a man's parents & wife.
Both have a place which cannot be changed / replaced, both need to be respected , both need to be lovingly nurtured but one cannot replace another and not cross the line & step into each others domain.
Often their ' requirements ' clash with one another. Yet it for the man to tread the thin line and maintain his balance.
Iqbal and many others may feel as the title suggests but Govts of even the most " pious' & hard line nations do not appear to concur.
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I think we need another prophet to preach a new religion called HUMANITY.
Some people are just so confused. Let me quote an article by Mian Basheer Ahmad of the Muslim League in 1945 on what he says about Iqbal and his love for his country and Islam.
Please note that in 1945, there was still no unanimous vision of what Pakistan would look like and the most common idea was Pakistan would probably be autonomous units with a weak center.
Iqbal
The aftermath of the War of Independence of 1857 had kept the Muslims sad, sullen and inactive. It was Sir Syed who learnt and who taught his people that it was necessary for the Muslims to be educated that they must know and understand the superior scientific methods of the West, and thus be able to keep pace with other people in the race for self-realization and self-assertion.
Iqbal follows in the footstep of Sir Syed. He is the poet of Muslim national awakening. And to him there is nothing inconsistent in the love of Islam and the love of India. Iqbal has written probably the greatest anthem of the Indian peoples as a whole Sare Jahan Se Acha Hindustan Hamara. And Iqbal also has written that wonderful song of the Muslims Cheeno Arab Hamara, Hindustan Hamara, Muslim Hain Ham Watan Hai Sara Jahan Hamara.
There are some whose minds are so shuttered-in, that they see a contradiction between the two anthems. But there is none. For Iqbal was also a firm internationalist believing in the brotherhood of Islamic nations.
There was no intention whatsoever in Iqbals mind or philosophy, as narrow minded bigots try to make out, of conquering countries for Islam. All that Iqbal means is that Islamic fraternity is world-wide. And the poet would indeed have been the first to applaud Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah in saying that the Hindus and the Muslims when free would unitidly tell all aggressors Hands off India.
When slanderers brand those who fight for Pakistan as lacking in love for India, they forget the patriotic poems of the greatest Pakistani of all-Iqbal. Could any one but passionate lover of this land write as he writes in his first poem in his first publication Bang-i-Dara.
Hail O Himalay, O mighty Wall of the Land of Hind!
The heavens stoop to kiss thy brow,
The ages come and go
But thou art eternally young.
For Moses of Sinai there was but one vision,
Whilst thou art a panorama of vision glorious to the seeing eye.
In this Tasvir-i-Dard, Iqbal writes his heart tormented at the thought that our alien masters bleed our land while we fail to unite:
The sight of thee makes me weep, O India
For thine is the most tragic of all stories,
Leave not the trace of a single petal in this garden. O flower-gatherer,
Thanks to the feuds of the gardeners, their path is smooth
O people of India! You will be destroyed if you do not understand,
Your very story will be erased from the book of the stories of nations,
Iqbals words are as true as ever today.
Could there be anything more full of patriotic fervour than Iqbals Hindustani Bachoon ka Quami Geet, in which he sings:
The land where Chishti gave message of God,
The Land where Nanak sang song of unity,
The Land where the Tartars made their home,
The Land for which the Hedjazians left their deserts,
That is my country, that is my Motherland.
From 1905-1908, Iqbal was in Europe. Here he became deeply conscious of the effect of democracy and nationality in firing the European nations with a new spirit. But he also saw that the Imperialist nations were crushing the colonial peoples underfoot and were denying them the very rights which they themselves valued. In the poem which he wrote in this period, Iqbal prophesied in remarkable manner the downfall of Imperialism and the awakening of the oppressed peoples of the East.
The lion which came out of the wilderness and upset the Empire of Rome,
I hear from the angels that he shall awake once more.
At one stage early in his career, Iqbal fought with the idea of giving up poetry, for he thought, as he says in this own words, that:
The nations that are achieving something have no taste for poetry.
He too wanted the Indian Muslims to achieve something, and therefore he wished to give up poetry. Fortunately for poetry and for his nation, he was dissuaded from carrying out this idea.
Iqbals hatred for imperialism came out of a profound love for the peasant and the worker, for the wide masses of the people. Muslim poverty and backwardness had gripped his heart with the determination to change the destiny of his people. In The Candle and the Poet (1912), one of the greatest poems, Iqbal is already beginning to be influenced by social justice. Addressing the toiling peasant, he writes:
Know thou the essence of thy being, O peasant.
Thou art the grain, thou the field, thou the rain; thou the harvest.
The last stanza of the poem fortells revolution.
The Birds will sing at the cry of the fowler,
The buds garment will be dyed with the blood of the flower-gatherer,
That which the eyes see, the lips cannot utter,
Dumb-founded am I to think what the World is and what it is to be.
His Khizr-i-Rah (1922) hails the Soviet Revolution and the new proletarian movement, in which he rejoices.
Arise, for associated mankind has now turned a new leaf,
And both in the East and the West, it is now the workers age.
Make thine own world, if thou art alive,
For life is the secret of Adam; the conscience of all true being,
In slavery becomes a mere shallow stream;
While in freedom, life is like the Ocean, free and boundless,
A new sun has arisen from the womb of the earth,
O heaven! for how long will you mourn the fate of fallen stars?
In his Zabur-i-Ajam, Iqbal writes of Revolution, burning at the injustice of capitalism:
The master is making pretty rubies out of the blood of the workmans veins.
Through the tyranny of these lords of the soil,
the fields of the peasants are all waste.
Revolution! Revolution, O Revolution!
In his famous trilogy, Lenin,
And warm up the blood of slaves with the fire of belief,
And make the tiny sparrow engage the falcon.
Tis the age of the common peoples lordship,
So obliterate all marks of the olden days.
And the field which yields not food for the peasant
Burn every corns ear of that field.
Iqbal is essentially a poet who preaches action. By action alone is life made a heaven or hell, this is what he counsels in his poetry. Action to change the world, to change the destiny of his beloved people. And how? In his presidential address at the Muslim League session in 1930, he said:
If the principle, that the Indian Muslim is entitled to full and free development on the lines of his own culture and tradition in his own Indian homeland is recognised as the basis of permanent settlement he will be ready to stake his all for the freedom of India.
Today the Pakistan Movement embraces millions of Indian Muslims. Iqbals call to action has won wide response and, more than anything else, the movement for the freedom of the Indian Muslims is developing with the same ideals of patriotism, democracy, equality and unity which Iqbal preached.
The Punjab Muslim League has issued its Manifesto now championing the cause of the toiling masses, emphasizing the unity of interests between all the peoples of India against British Imperialism.
Iqbal had laid down manifesto of Pakistan already in his glorious poetry- Peoples War.
Source:
By Mian Basheer Ahmad, Bar-at-Law, The Eastern Times,
Lahore, March 25, 1945 (The author himself a prolific writer was Editor of a Urdu journal called: Humanyun, published from Lahore. Mian Basheer Ahmad was Organizing Secretary of the All-India Muslim League Annual Session held at Lahore on March 21-23, 1940.
Please note that in 1945, there was still no unanimous vision of what Pakistan would look like and the most common idea was Pakistan would probably be autonomous units with a weak center.
Iqbal
The aftermath of the War of Independence of 1857 had kept the Muslims sad, sullen and inactive. It was Sir Syed who learnt and who taught his people that it was necessary for the Muslims to be educated that they must know and understand the superior scientific methods of the West, and thus be able to keep pace with other people in the race for self-realization and self-assertion.
Iqbal follows in the footstep of Sir Syed. He is the poet of Muslim national awakening. And to him there is nothing inconsistent in the love of Islam and the love of India. Iqbal has written probably the greatest anthem of the Indian peoples as a whole Sare Jahan Se Acha Hindustan Hamara. And Iqbal also has written that wonderful song of the Muslims Cheeno Arab Hamara, Hindustan Hamara, Muslim Hain Ham Watan Hai Sara Jahan Hamara.
There are some whose minds are so shuttered-in, that they see a contradiction between the two anthems. But there is none. For Iqbal was also a firm internationalist believing in the brotherhood of Islamic nations.
There was no intention whatsoever in Iqbals mind or philosophy, as narrow minded bigots try to make out, of conquering countries for Islam. All that Iqbal means is that Islamic fraternity is world-wide. And the poet would indeed have been the first to applaud Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah in saying that the Hindus and the Muslims when free would unitidly tell all aggressors Hands off India.
When slanderers brand those who fight for Pakistan as lacking in love for India, they forget the patriotic poems of the greatest Pakistani of all-Iqbal. Could any one but passionate lover of this land write as he writes in his first poem in his first publication Bang-i-Dara.
Hail O Himalay, O mighty Wall of the Land of Hind!
The heavens stoop to kiss thy brow,
The ages come and go
But thou art eternally young.
For Moses of Sinai there was but one vision,
Whilst thou art a panorama of vision glorious to the seeing eye.
In this Tasvir-i-Dard, Iqbal writes his heart tormented at the thought that our alien masters bleed our land while we fail to unite:
The sight of thee makes me weep, O India
For thine is the most tragic of all stories,
Leave not the trace of a single petal in this garden. O flower-gatherer,
Thanks to the feuds of the gardeners, their path is smooth
O people of India! You will be destroyed if you do not understand,
Your very story will be erased from the book of the stories of nations,
Iqbals words are as true as ever today.
Could there be anything more full of patriotic fervour than Iqbals Hindustani Bachoon ka Quami Geet, in which he sings:
The land where Chishti gave message of God,
The Land where Nanak sang song of unity,
The Land where the Tartars made their home,
The Land for which the Hedjazians left their deserts,
That is my country, that is my Motherland.
From 1905-1908, Iqbal was in Europe. Here he became deeply conscious of the effect of democracy and nationality in firing the European nations with a new spirit. But he also saw that the Imperialist nations were crushing the colonial peoples underfoot and were denying them the very rights which they themselves valued. In the poem which he wrote in this period, Iqbal prophesied in remarkable manner the downfall of Imperialism and the awakening of the oppressed peoples of the East.
The lion which came out of the wilderness and upset the Empire of Rome,
I hear from the angels that he shall awake once more.
At one stage early in his career, Iqbal fought with the idea of giving up poetry, for he thought, as he says in this own words, that:
The nations that are achieving something have no taste for poetry.
He too wanted the Indian Muslims to achieve something, and therefore he wished to give up poetry. Fortunately for poetry and for his nation, he was dissuaded from carrying out this idea.
Iqbals hatred for imperialism came out of a profound love for the peasant and the worker, for the wide masses of the people. Muslim poverty and backwardness had gripped his heart with the determination to change the destiny of his people. In The Candle and the Poet (1912), one of the greatest poems, Iqbal is already beginning to be influenced by social justice. Addressing the toiling peasant, he writes:
Know thou the essence of thy being, O peasant.
Thou art the grain, thou the field, thou the rain; thou the harvest.
The last stanza of the poem fortells revolution.
The Birds will sing at the cry of the fowler,
The buds garment will be dyed with the blood of the flower-gatherer,
That which the eyes see, the lips cannot utter,
Dumb-founded am I to think what the World is and what it is to be.
His Khizr-i-Rah (1922) hails the Soviet Revolution and the new proletarian movement, in which he rejoices.
Arise, for associated mankind has now turned a new leaf,
And both in the East and the West, it is now the workers age.
Make thine own world, if thou art alive,
For life is the secret of Adam; the conscience of all true being,
In slavery becomes a mere shallow stream;
While in freedom, life is like the Ocean, free and boundless,
A new sun has arisen from the womb of the earth,
O heaven! for how long will you mourn the fate of fallen stars?
In his Zabur-i-Ajam, Iqbal writes of Revolution, burning at the injustice of capitalism:
The master is making pretty rubies out of the blood of the workmans veins.
Through the tyranny of these lords of the soil,
the fields of the peasants are all waste.
Revolution! Revolution, O Revolution!
In his famous trilogy, Lenin,
And warm up the blood of slaves with the fire of belief,
And make the tiny sparrow engage the falcon.
Tis the age of the common peoples lordship,
So obliterate all marks of the olden days.
And the field which yields not food for the peasant
Burn every corns ear of that field.
Iqbal is essentially a poet who preaches action. By action alone is life made a heaven or hell, this is what he counsels in his poetry. Action to change the world, to change the destiny of his beloved people. And how? In his presidential address at the Muslim League session in 1930, he said:
If the principle, that the Indian Muslim is entitled to full and free development on the lines of his own culture and tradition in his own Indian homeland is recognised as the basis of permanent settlement he will be ready to stake his all for the freedom of India.
Today the Pakistan Movement embraces millions of Indian Muslims. Iqbals call to action has won wide response and, more than anything else, the movement for the freedom of the Indian Muslims is developing with the same ideals of patriotism, democracy, equality and unity which Iqbal preached.
The Punjab Muslim League has issued its Manifesto now championing the cause of the toiling masses, emphasizing the unity of interests between all the peoples of India against British Imperialism.
Iqbal had laid down manifesto of Pakistan already in his glorious poetry- Peoples War.
Source:
By Mian Basheer Ahmad, Bar-at-Law, The Eastern Times,
Lahore, March 25, 1945 (The author himself a prolific writer was Editor of a Urdu journal called: Humanyun, published from Lahore. Mian Basheer Ahmad was Organizing Secretary of the All-India Muslim League Annual Session held at Lahore on March 21-23, 1940.
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Kabhi aey, Naujawan Muslim! taddabur bhi kiya tu ney?
Wo kya gardon tha tu jis ka hai ik toota hua tara
Wo kya gardon tha tu jis ka hai ik toota hua tara
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Humanity is nothing but the collective forgetting of alast u bi rabbikum. Die and you've recall it.
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DUDE...with the passage of time a person gets matures and gains knowledge ..this is the beauty of human being...the poem in which he mentioned hindustan was in his early years and later on he mentioned the muslim one....However u didnt mention the most important part of his life in which he demanded that the North-Western Muslim Majority states of subcontinent should be made into a muslim state and should be joined to the muslim belt (today extending from today's Pakistan going upto Morroco). Kindly read these;
(1) "Iqbal was a strong proponent of the political and spiritual revival of Islamic civilisation across the world, but specifically in South Asia; a series of famous lectures he delivered to this effect were published as "The Reconstruction of Religious Thought in Islam". One of the most prominent leaders of the All India Muslim League, Iqbal encouraged the creation of a "state in northwestern India for Muslims" in his 1930 presidential address"
(2) In his presidential address on December 29, 1930, Iqbal outlined a vision of an independent state for Muslim-majority provinces in northwestern India:
"I would like to see the Punjab, North-West Frontier Province, Sind and Baluchistan amalgamated into a single state. Self-government within the British Empire, or without the British Empire, the formation of a consolidated Northwest Indian Muslim state appears to me to be the final destiny of the Muslims, at least of Northwest India."
(3) For greater and broader unity and brother- hood among the Muslims in pursuance of the Quran, Iqbal rejected blood-relationship as the basis of human unity. He asserted Islam as the inner force of Islamic brotherhood. Thus his theory brought together the majority of the Muslims from Bengal to the North Western frontier provinces, and this made the Indian Muslims to feel their identity with … Islam …and this in course of time paved the path to the creation of Pakistan”. ) (Ref. Sailen Debnath, Secularism: Western and Indian, ISBN 978-81-269-1366-4, Atlantic Publishers, New Delhi
Kindly accept the reality of Pakistan and not pollute this forum with distorted ideas...the very disgusting mindset which isn't ready to accept the reality of Pakistan has resulted in wars between two countries...it is high time that this immature mindset ceases to exist otherwise the future generations of both countries might suffer a nuclear confrontation.
Regards
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(1) "Iqbal was a strong proponent of the political and spiritual revival of Islamic civilisation across the world, but specifically in South Asia; a series of famous lectures he delivered to this effect were published as "The Reconstruction of Religious Thought in Islam". One of the most prominent leaders of the All India Muslim League, Iqbal encouraged the creation of a "state in northwestern India for Muslims" in his 1930 presidential address"
(2) In his presidential address on December 29, 1930, Iqbal outlined a vision of an independent state for Muslim-majority provinces in northwestern India:
"I would like to see the Punjab, North-West Frontier Province, Sind and Baluchistan amalgamated into a single state. Self-government within the British Empire, or without the British Empire, the formation of a consolidated Northwest Indian Muslim state appears to me to be the final destiny of the Muslims, at least of Northwest India."
(3) For greater and broader unity and brother- hood among the Muslims in pursuance of the Quran, Iqbal rejected blood-relationship as the basis of human unity. He asserted Islam as the inner force of Islamic brotherhood. Thus his theory brought together the majority of the Muslims from Bengal to the North Western frontier provinces, and this made the Indian Muslims to feel their identity with … Islam …and this in course of time paved the path to the creation of Pakistan”. ) (Ref. Sailen Debnath, Secularism: Western and Indian, ISBN 978-81-269-1366-4, Atlantic Publishers, New Delhi
Kindly accept the reality of Pakistan and not pollute this forum with distorted ideas...the very disgusting mindset which isn't ready to accept the reality of Pakistan has resulted in wars between two countries...it is high time that this immature mindset ceases to exist otherwise the future generations of both countries might suffer a nuclear confrontation.
Regards
MadDog
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@Maddog .
Most people of India(Hindus at least) are very happy with current status of Pakistan as independent state .We have no ambitions or evil design to bring the hostile population of Pakistan into our fold. Even when East Pakistan got freedom from Pakistan ,it became another new country as Bangladesh.
Iqbal wasn't secular . He was strong a Islamist and he was very proud of that. Anything to prove otherwise is negation of history.
Most people of India(Hindus at least) are very happy with current status of Pakistan as independent state .We have no ambitions or evil design to bring the hostile population of Pakistan into our fold. Even when East Pakistan got freedom from Pakistan ,it became another new country as Bangladesh.
Iqbal wasn't secular . He was strong a Islamist and he was very proud of that. Anything to prove otherwise is negation of history.
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What I quoted is someone who was present during the All India Muslim League session in 1930 and he wrote this in 1945. You want to look at the source material and facts or feel comfortable at the distorted ideological view of history? That is your choice.
What I quoted is someone who was present during the All India Muslim League session in 1930 and he wrote this in 1945. You want to look at the source material and facts or feel comfortable at the distorted ideological view of history? That is your choice.
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