Muslim gymnast criticised for 'revealing' costume as she wins double-gold!

[Koovie]

It isn't just a personal matter when she performs in public representing her country.

Then it also represents the bigger problem which affects the entire nation.

Thing is, this problem is not only limited to this case only, but can be observed in every day life as well... people sticking their heads into the personal matters of others while shouting "morality", religion, etc etc etc is a widespread problem in many developing nations with far reaching consequences.

 

[ayesha.a]

LOL I never got a proper reply to this hypocrisy. Its nothing more than sexual discrimination....

I'll tell you. It's the age old discomfort some men have when they see women achieving something, or having a life. Morality is used as a tooll, a stick to beat women with, when no other tools are available. If it really was about islamic morality being corrupted, there would be equal calls to men (sportsmen or others) when they expose their navel or thighs. (That's supposedly prohibited by the same islam.)

In earlier days, people could argue and implement laws that women going out and working is immoral. Now they can no longer do that, so they pick on whatever they can, to belittle any woman who achieves something that that man never can. No such outrage or "opinion" is expressed when men reveal a lot more. @TankMan is lying, knowingly or unknowingly, when he says that such "opinions" are expressed in equal measure about men as well, just that the media does not report it.

It is a plain, indisputable fact that only women are at the receiving end of this moral policing, mostly.

By the way, there are threads on this forum of Pakistani male bodybuilders displaying everything except their you-know-what. Plenty of members, Pakistanis included have commented there, and nobody has expressed the "oh-my-pious-muslim-eyes-are-hurt" line. Bunch of bleeping hypocites.

This is in Lahore:

This is the PDF thread about the same, and there are plenty more:

Pakistan win South Asia bodybuilding championship

Go through the comments there - all about "we martial Pakistanis, unlike weak Indians..." Not a single statement about islam or modesty or Allah's commands.

@Jf Thunder @TankMan @gambit @Beast

 

[Viper0011.]

So, a living style formulated in 632 AD is still a guideline for people of 21st century??

Now, you just went factual to flat out abusive towards a religion and that's not acceptable. I've written many posts above that the young lady has the right to do what she wants to, and wear what she wants to. The Clerics don't represent the religion in the context of bit*ching about who wears what or does what, its one's personal life and its between them and God.

But this entire 632 AD, is flat out rude. Just like Islam, every other religion has some weird stuff in it too. Take a look at Christian nuns, its been like that for thousands of years. But that's totally fine.
Now, take a look at the Hindu religion, a woman burning herself with her husband if he dies....ALSO goes back to thousands of years. So Hinduism has effectively burnt LIVE women for thousands of years under the name of religion, and this number would be in millions now, if you were to count all burnt women till date, going back to thousands of years.

So how about you fix your thousands of years old effed up practice where women get burnt alive. Here, the issue is AS SMALL as the dress code. With people actually bitc*ing about it and calling these mullahs idiots, it's bound to change.

 

[TankMan]

So, a living style formulated in 632 AD is still a guideline for people of 21st century??

That's quite an evolution!!!

The same applies to an oath based on the principles formulated by a man in 400 BC, which is still a guideline for physicians of the 21st century.

If basic truths about human psychology and biology haven't changed, why should we change the guidelines?

 

[ayesha.a]

If you are a Muslim woman, read Quran first and pose these questions to Allah. He specifically tells women to be modest. Its not me or some Mullah. Its our Creator. If you can fight Him, please go ahead.

I am aware of that, and I did not dispute that. I only questioned why this morality code is only thrust upon women. As I mentioned above, there are plenty of threads on PDF about men's bodybuilding, with much skimpier men. Or many other circumstances where men have a navel or thigh exposed. There are plenty of hadiths that say that is wrong. How come nobody bleats there?

Instead, those threads are full of men boasting about their virility.

 

[salarsikander]

Hi,

I am reminded of this beautiful quote from Salahuddin Ayubi

"If you want to destroy a nation any nation without war, make adultery and nudity common in the young generation'

@syedali73 @Akheilos

 

[ayesha.a]

I'm sure the cleric would've said the same if she didn't win anything at all but represented her country in the event. As for men's attire, there is no ambiguity there: everything between the navel and knees should be covered.

Has the cleric ever said it? How can you be so sure? Oh yes, he said it, but the evil media didn't report it. BS.

Please go through all the mens bodybuilding threads on this forum. Some of the men commenting here about morality have commented there too - no, not about modesty or morality, but about how great those calves and abs look. Not a single statement about "Allah doesnt want them displaying their navel."

Whether you admit it or choose to deny it, only women are the target of this modesty brigade. Hyporcites.

 

[TankMan]

@TankMan is lying, knowingly or unknowingly, when he says that such "opinions" are expressed in equal measure about men as well, just that the media does not report it.

You are misrepresenting my argument. I never said these opinions were expressed in equal measure by everyone around the world. I specifically mentioned that my argument was anecdotal, and that according to the religion, those men were in violation of the rules. I never conducted any survey to see whether the expression of opinions was equal. But what I do know is that from a religious perspective, the men and women are in equal violation.

 

[flamer84]

Its GOD who prohibited these things their are clear rules and those come up with excuse which you are coming up with is just another way of justifying Haram

God has prohibited Gymnastics ? MUAHAHAHA ,with this mentality the muslim world is going places.

The 11th Comandment:"Though shall not do Gymnastics!"

 

[Jaanbaz]

Since when did Breasts became sexual organ ??

According to Mullah science 101 it is.

 

[TankMan]

Has the cleric ever said it? How can you be so sure? Oh yes, he said it, but the evil media didn't report it. BS.

Please go through all the mens bodybuilding threads on this forum. Some of the men commenting here about morality have commented there too - no, not about modesty or morality, but about how great those calves and abs look. Not a single statement about "Allah doesnt want them displaying their navel."

When discussing someone's opinion, you need to take their word for what their opinion is. He didn't say he had a problem with the woman winning, he said he had a problem with their dressing. You're talking about his opinion, and you are attributing your own ideas to his opinion. You are the one saying that he is being hypocritical, the burden of proof lies on you.

According to Mullah science 101 it is.

I never knew that Western neuroscientists were Mullahs.
Sexual Wiring of Women's Breasts - Neuroscientists establish breasts as sexual organs | Psychology Today

 

[syedali73]

You are misrepresenting my argument. I never said these opinions were expressed in equal measure by everyone around the world. I specifically mentioned that my argument was anecdotal, and that according to the religion, those men were in violation of the rules. I never conducted any survey to see whether the expression of opinions was equal. But what I do know is that from a religious perspective, the men and women are in equal violation.

Except that exposing men's navel and reproductive organ is not as inciting (both for men and women) as is the case with women unless of-course the poster arguing with you is referring to gays. unfortunately the issue is not viewed from psychology point of view but a feminist point of view, two different approaches resulting in two different interpretations.

 

[ayesha.a]

You are misrepresenting my argument. I never said these opinions were expressed in equal measure by everyone around the world. I specifically mentioned that my argument was anecdotal, and that according to the religion, those men were in violation of the rules. I never conducted any survey to see whether the expression of opinions was equal. But what I do know is that from a religious perspective, the men and women are in equal violation.

In that case you and I had nothing to argue about. I did not dispute the fact that islam prescribes certain dress codes. I am only questioning why the question only arises for women. It is very insulting for women, when they accomplish something that makes them and should make their country proud, she has to answer questions about the length of her skirt.

But men who accomplish anything face no such pressure. I gave you the example right here on PDF. Male bodybuilders not just exposing, but purposely displaying their bodies. Not a single comment about islam or modesty. The same people who are concerned here, and boasting there.

This is true in the real world too, as it is in PDF. Morality is only hurled at women. I have speculated the reason for that.

 

[flamer84]

mind contrary to women who think of romance and not sex.

Pure Gold.........you Sir don't know women !

 

[ayesha.a]

Except that exposing men's navel and reproductive organ is not as inciting (both for men and women) as is the case with women unless of-course the poster arguing with you is referring to gays. unfortunately the issue is not viewed from psychology point of view but a feminist point of view, two different approaches resulting in two different interpretations.

Arey wah.

In Victorian England, people believed that women couldn't orgasm or have sexual feelings. They are "too pure" to have such "dirty" feelings. Clearly the mentality persists, albeit in reduced measure.

Sure - women can't be "incited" by male bodies, or enjoy visual pleasures. I'm sure that's comforting for you to believe.