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NEW DELHI: Does growing flowing beard by a religious Muslim policeman clash with his professional requirement? The Supreme Court on Tuesday agreed to examine the issue and sought response from the Union ministry of home affairs to settle the dispute once and for all.

Zahiroddin Shamsoddin Bedade, a constable in the Maharashtra Reserve Police Force, was permitted by the Commandant to keep beard by a May 7, 2012 order with a caveat that it will be kept trimmed, neat and tidy.

Five months later, the Commandant rescinded his earlier order saying the permission to grow beard till the rest of the service was not in accordance with the rules. "In future, if it is found necessary to grow bears temporarily during specific months, Bedade should get such permission from this office," the order said.

Bedade challenged this order in the Bombay High Court, which dismissed his petition resulting in initiation of disciplinary proceedings against him by the police department. He moved the Supreme Court.

On Tuesday, a bench of Justices P Sathasivam and J S Khehar said this issue had arisen in the past before some of the High Courts and most had rejected demands from policeman to keep beard. The time has come for the apex court to examine the issue from the constitutional point of view and settle the controversy once and for all, it said and stayed the disciplinary proceedings against Bedade.

The Aurangabad bench of the Bombay HC had held that police force being a secular law enforcing agency, it was of utmost importance that such force must have a secular image. In situations like communal riots, postings at religious places of worship and sensitive areas members of the disciplined force had to discharge his duties without displaying his religious identity, the HC had said in its December 12, 2012.

The HC agreed with its earlier decision and said: "Wearing a beard is not a fundamental tenet of Islam. It cannot be treated as a part of the religious faith or belief. For that matter, it cannot be treated even as a religious practice of general acceptance."

Petitioner Bedade through counsel Shakil Ahmad Syed said the Union government in its 1989 circular for paramilitary forces had said, "A member of the force belonging to Muslim community may be permitted to keep beard on religious grounds. Once permission is given, the member concerned will have to wear it consistently for the rest of his service unless permitted upon written request to remove."

Senior advocate Anoop Chaudhary argued before Justices Sathasivam and Khehar cited several Hadith of the Prophet advising Muslims to keep beard and hence it was obligatory on part of every person following Islam to follow it.

The bench issued notice on the petition and asked the ministry of home affairs as well as Maharashtra government to file their responses within four weeks.
Muslim cop goes to Supreme Court to save beard - The Times of India
Wut? its just a beard :lol:
 
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this beard problem should be solved long back. Lets see what SC decides.
 
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This is the Problem Plaguing Islam today . Length of Beard , length of Ankle short trousers and hijab have become the central most point of debate while everything else like Quran , hadits etc has taken a back seat .

while people are reaching for moon and other planets they are stuck in this rhetoric .
 
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This is the Problem Plaguing Islam today . Length of Beard , length of Ankle short trousers and hijab have become the central most point of debate while everything else like Quran , hadits etc has taken a back seat .

while people are reaching for moon and other planets they are stuck in this rhetoric .

Actually the curtailment of free will is the issue here.
 
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Actually the curtailment of free will is the issue here.

Following Discipline is the issue here . Everyone cannot come with his or her version of a particular religion and claim its a mandatory religious Obligation .



If it was a mandatory religious Obligation then it would have been curtailment of free will on part of religion .
 
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Actually the curtailment of free will is the issue here.

Curtailment of free will is not the issue.

There is something like uniform and professional etiquette which I am sure you would be aware of.

A person might have a 'free will' to wear just boxers and go to office. But he will not and he cannot. Because that is against professional etiquette and might be against the company uniform regulations.
 
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Is growing beard mandatory in Islam ?

It couldn't be.

Jinnah , Mush, Nawaz and so many other patriotic Pakistanis were / are clean shaved.

Its just trying to make a point. In the IA too a lot of troops from South India often seek permission to grow a beard & not cut hair for short periods on religious grounds. They go to Sabrimala Temple and shave it off.

This cannot be a precedent for keeping a beard forever. The rules of Service apply.
 
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It couldn't be.

Jinnah , Mush, Nawaz and so many other patriotic Pakistanis were / are clean shaved.

Its just trying to make a point. In the IA too a lot of troops from South India often seek permission to grow a beard & not cut hair for short periods on religious grounds. The go to Sabrimala Temple and shave it off.

This cannot be a precedent for keeping a beard forever.

Actually if its mandatory in Islam then he should be allowed to keep because allowing Sikhs to keep beard and not allowing Muslims is not fair.

But if its not mandatory then he should be told to shave off or scoot off the police force.
 
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NEW DELHI: Does growing flowing beard by a religious Muslim policeman clash with his professional requirement? The Supreme Court on Tuesday agreed to examine the issue and sought response from the Union ministry of home affairs to settle the dispute once and for all.

Zahiroddin Shamsoddin Bedade, a constable in the Maharashtra Reserve Police Force, was permitted by the Commandant to keep beard by a May 7, 2012 order with a caveat that it will be kept trimmed, neat and tidy.

Five months later, the Commandant rescinded his earlier order saying the permission to grow beard till the rest of the service was not in accordance with the rules. "In future, if it is found necessary to grow bears temporarily during specific months, Bedade should get such permission from this office," the order said.

Bedade challenged this order in the Bombay High Court, which dismissed his petition resulting in initiation of disciplinary proceedings against him by the police department. He moved the Supreme Court.

On Tuesday, a bench of Justices P Sathasivam and J S Khehar said this issue had arisen in the past before some of the High Courts and most had rejected demands from policeman to keep beard. The time has come for the apex court to examine the issue from the constitutional point of view and settle the controversy once and for all, it said and stayed the disciplinary proceedings against Bedade.

The Aurangabad bench of the Bombay HC had held that police force being a secular law enforcing agency, it was of utmost importance that such force must have a secular image. In situations like communal riots, postings at religious places of worship and sensitive areas members of the disciplined force had to discharge his duties without displaying his religious identity, the HC had said in its December 12, 2012.

The HC agreed with its earlier decision and said: "Wearing a beard is not a fundamental tenet of Islam. It cannot be treated as a part of the religious faith or belief. For that matter, it cannot be treated even as a religious practice of general acceptance."

Petitioner Bedade through counsel Shakil Ahmad Syed said the Union government in its 1989 circular for paramilitary forces had said, "A member of the force belonging to Muslim community may be permitted to keep beard on religious grounds. Once permission is given, the member concerned will have to wear it consistently for the rest of his service unless permitted upon written request to remove."

Senior advocate Anoop Chaudhary argued before Justices Sathasivam and Khehar cited several Hadith of the Prophet advising Muslims to keep beard and hence it was obligatory on part of every person following Islam to follow it.

The bench issued notice on the petition and asked the ministry of home affairs as well as Maharashtra government to file their responses within four weeks.
Muslim cop goes to Supreme Court to save beard - The Times of India
Wut? its just a beard :lol:
Keeping beard is order of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW and Muslims have to keep beard Indian court is no authority to decide about Islam order of beard is clear from many many Hadees thanks to ALLAH we separated from India India keeps showings true colors

‎1) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said "I have no connection iwth one who shaves, shouts and tears his clothing eg. in grief or affication."
- Reported by Abu Darda (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 501

(2) The teachings of Hadhrat Ammar Bin Yaasir, Abdullah Ibn Umar, Sayyidina Umar, Abu Hurairah and Jaabir (R.A.), indicate that ALL used to keep beards that were one fist length or more. Hadhrat Jaabir (R.A.) had said: "We used to grow long beards and only during Hajj and Umrah did we trim them to the required length (i.e. fist length)."

(3) Hadhrat Abdullah Ibn Umar (R.A.) relates that: "He who imitates the kuffar (non-believers) and dies in that state, he will be raised up with them on the Day of Qiyamat (Judgement)."

(4) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) says: "Trim closely the moustache, and let the beard flow (Grow)."
- Narrated Ibn Umar (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 498

(5) "Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) ordered us to trim the moustache closely and spare the beard" says Ibn Umar.
- Muslim, Hadith no. 449

(6) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam)said: "Act against contrary to the polythesists, trim closely the moustache and grow the beard."
- Reported by Ibn Umar (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 500

(7) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said "Trim closely the moustache and grow the beard."
- Reported by Abu Hurairah (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 501

(8) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "Anyone who shaves has no claim to the mercy of Allah"
- Reported by Ibn Abbas (R.A.) in Tibrabi

(9) Hadhrat Abdullah Ibn Umar (R.A.) used to cut that portion (which exceeds the grip of the hand) of the beard.
- Tirmidhi
 
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Actually the curtailment of free will is the issue here.

There are no free wills in a Uniformed Service organization.

Among the first requirements is not to display any religious symbols or insignias on your person unless mandated by the religion you belong to for instance Beard & turban in Sikhs.

Hindus are not permitted to apply a tilak on their forehead as it is not mandatory . The same goes for a beard.

The navy as a part of tradition allows it but that is not for religious reasons.

Keeping beard is order of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW and Muslims have to keep beard Indian court is no authority to decide about Islam order of beard is clear from many many Hadees thanks to ALLAH we separated from India India keeps showings true colors

‎1) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said "I have no connection iwth one who shaves, shouts and tears his clothing eg. in grief or affication."
- Reported by Abu Darda (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 501

(2) The teachings of Hadhrat Ammar Bin Yaasir, Abdullah Ibn Umar, Sayyidina Umar, Abu Hurairah and Jaabir (R.A.), indicate that ALL used to keep beards that were one fist length or more. Hadhrat Jaabir (R.A.) had said: "We used to grow long beards and only during Hajj and Umrah did we trim them to the required length (i.e. fist length)."

(3) Hadhrat Abdullah Ibn Umar (R.A.) relates that: "He who imitates the kuffar (non-believers) and dies in that state, he will be raised up with them on the Day of Qiyamat (Judgement)."

(4) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) says: "Trim closely the moustache, and let the beard flow (Grow)."
- Narrated Ibn Umar (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 498

(5) "Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) ordered us to trim the moustache closely and spare the beard" says Ibn Umar.
- Muslim, Hadith no. 449

(6) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam)said: "Act against contrary to the polythesists, trim closely the moustache and grow the beard."
- Reported by Ibn Umar (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 500

(7) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said "Trim closely the moustache and grow the beard."
- Reported by Abu Hurairah (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 501

(8) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "Anyone who shaves has no claim to the mercy of Allah"
- Reported by Ibn Abbas (R.A.) in Tibrabi

(9) Hadhrat Abdullah Ibn Umar (R.A.) used to cut that portion (which exceeds the grip of the hand) of the beard.
- Tirmidhi

Even the man who created Pakistan did not keep a beard nor did any of its numerous dictators or other leaders of Pakistan - this includes Zia who was more religious than anyone else.

None of what is reproduced therefore holds good.

Thank you.
 
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This is the Problem Plaguing Islam today . Length of Beard , length of Ankle short trousers and hijab have become the central most point of debate while everything else like Quran , hadits etc has taken a back seat .

while people are reaching for moon and other planets they are stuck in this rhetoric .

Well said mate !
 
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There are no free wills in a Uniformed Service organization.

Among the first requirements is not to display any religious symbols or insignias on your person unless mandated by the religion you belong to for instance Beard & turban in Sikhs.

Hindus are not permitted to apply a tilak on their forehead as it is not mandatory . The same goes for a beard.

The navy as a part of tradition allows it but that is not for religious reasons.



Even the man who created Pakistan did not keep a beard nor did any of its numerous dictators or other leaders of Pakistan - this includes Zia who was more religious than anyone else.

None of what is reproduced therefore holds good.

Thank you.
Sir if they didn't kept beard they did wrong orders of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW are the most important and when his opinion is their on an issue Muslims have to only follow his opinion and if some one doesn't he is doing a sin Sir and that is what matters not what Indian government says you are doing your best to make Muslims think of another separate state from India
 
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This is the Problem Plaguing Islam today . Length of Beard , length of Ankle short trousers and hijab have become the central most point of debate while everything else like Quran , hadits etc has taken a back seat .

while people are reaching for moon and other planets they are stuck in this rhetoric .
No Sir these are orders of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW just like giving zakat Offering salah getting knowledge how to run our economy and Muslims have to follow all the laws Sir
 
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