Mumbai Attacks
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Indian intelligence fails big time whenever there's a terrorist attack but whithin hours she comes up with a Pakistani as main suspect.
Sofar the credibility of the investigation...
aaa... Vinod... A real troll starts calling others a troll. You might feel the end of the line now... Reporting you.
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Witnesses describe Mumbai attackers' arrival by sea
Officials believe militants launched dinghies from a mothership to arrive 'on a one-way ticket'
Maseeh Rahman in Delhi
guardian.co.uk, Thursday November 27 2008 13.23 GMT
Eyewitnesses have provided accounts of how the gunmen involved in yesterday's Mumbai massacre landed undetected in the heart of the port city's bustling downtown area.
At least some of the terrorists, said to be in their early twenties and armed with AK-47 assault rifles and hand grenades, landed on the coast of Mumbai's commercial and entertainment neighbourhood in light and fast Gemini boats, powered by small outboard motors.
These inflatable dinghies, according to Indian navy sources quoted by the Headlines Today TV news channel, were launched from a larger vessel, the MV Alfa, which arrived near Mumbai sometime yesterday and anchored offshore a distance from India's financial capital.
According to TV reports, the navy seized one Gemini craft laden with ammunition, as well as satellite phone, which could give vital clues about the attackers.
The navy, the news channel reported, became suspicious of the ship only on intercepting wireless communications in the region after the lethal assault began around 9.40pm (4.10pm GMT) last night.
By this time the vessel had left the vicinity of Mumbai. When first reported by the news channel today, the MV Alfa was said to be off the Gujarat coast and heading towards Pakistan. The navy was reported to be in pursuit of the ship, although this could not be independently verified.
Indian TV news channels provided eyewitness accounts from people who saw the armed attackers land in Mumbai.
"It was around 9.15 last night when I saw a speedboat with eight men on board come close to the shore," a man told Times Now TV today. The man appeared to be a resident of the Colaba fishermen's village, minutes away from the Taj Mahal, one of two luxury hotels in Mumbai taken over by the terrorists.
"Six young men with large bags came ashore, after which the two who remained in the boat started the outboard motor again and sped off," he added. "They were fair, chikna (well-off) and looked around 20, 22, 25 years old. They said they were students. When we tried to find out what they were doing, they spoke very aggressively, and I got scared."
Two boys and an older woman from the same neighbourhood spoke to CNN-IBN. "When we tried to talk to them, they rudely said, 'What do you want? Do your own work', and walked away," the two boys said. "They were carrying large bags – one bag was orange coloured."
"They told me that they had come by sea from Kerala," the older woman added.
The Leopold Cafe, popular with foreign backpackers, which was the first target of the terrorist strike, is also located close to the Colaba fishermen's village, as is Nariman House, which was taken over by the gunmen and the first three floors of which are occupied by Israeli tourists.
"There is no question that the armed men who landed in south Mumbai in the Gemini boats came from a larger boat anchored off shore," said retired Rear Admiral Raja Menon, a strategic affairs expert. "The larger boat left without waiting for the men to return. The armed men were on a one-way ticket."
Officials believe militants launched dinghies from a mothership to arrive 'on a one-way ticket'
Maseeh Rahman in Delhi
guardian.co.uk, Thursday November 27 2008 13.23 GMT
Eyewitnesses have provided accounts of how the gunmen involved in yesterday's Mumbai massacre landed undetected in the heart of the port city's bustling downtown area.
At least some of the terrorists, said to be in their early twenties and armed with AK-47 assault rifles and hand grenades, landed on the coast of Mumbai's commercial and entertainment neighbourhood in light and fast Gemini boats, powered by small outboard motors.
These inflatable dinghies, according to Indian navy sources quoted by the Headlines Today TV news channel, were launched from a larger vessel, the MV Alfa, which arrived near Mumbai sometime yesterday and anchored offshore a distance from India's financial capital.
According to TV reports, the navy seized one Gemini craft laden with ammunition, as well as satellite phone, which could give vital clues about the attackers.
The navy, the news channel reported, became suspicious of the ship only on intercepting wireless communications in the region after the lethal assault began around 9.40pm (4.10pm GMT) last night.
By this time the vessel had left the vicinity of Mumbai. When first reported by the news channel today, the MV Alfa was said to be off the Gujarat coast and heading towards Pakistan. The navy was reported to be in pursuit of the ship, although this could not be independently verified.
Indian TV news channels provided eyewitness accounts from people who saw the armed attackers land in Mumbai.
"It was around 9.15 last night when I saw a speedboat with eight men on board come close to the shore," a man told Times Now TV today. The man appeared to be a resident of the Colaba fishermen's village, minutes away from the Taj Mahal, one of two luxury hotels in Mumbai taken over by the terrorists.
"Six young men with large bags came ashore, after which the two who remained in the boat started the outboard motor again and sped off," he added. "They were fair, chikna (well-off) and looked around 20, 22, 25 years old. They said they were students. When we tried to find out what they were doing, they spoke very aggressively, and I got scared."
Two boys and an older woman from the same neighbourhood spoke to CNN-IBN. "When we tried to talk to them, they rudely said, 'What do you want? Do your own work', and walked away," the two boys said. "They were carrying large bags – one bag was orange coloured."
"They told me that they had come by sea from Kerala," the older woman added.
The Leopold Cafe, popular with foreign backpackers, which was the first target of the terrorist strike, is also located close to the Colaba fishermen's village, as is Nariman House, which was taken over by the gunmen and the first three floors of which are occupied by Israeli tourists.
"There is no question that the armed men who landed in south Mumbai in the Gemini boats came from a larger boat anchored off shore," said retired Rear Admiral Raja Menon, a strategic affairs expert. "The larger boat left without waiting for the men to return. The armed men were on a one-way ticket."
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You think anyone is laughing out of glee? We are not Laughing about you, we're laughing AT you. We have seen this episode before. This is like some re-run. They are never able to catch a terrorist before. But within one day they pull out Abu Ismail out of their ***** and he is usually the mastermind, so he has credibility.
This is not us smiling, this us going WTF?
Indian intelligence fails big time whenever there's a terrorist attack but whithin hours she comes up with a Pakistani as main suspect.
Sofar the credibility of the investigation...
How come they couldn't predict the attack. How come that so many people are killed and they still had a shock and within hours they knew who did it...
WOW, Decades late in military programs but faster then light in blaiming others.
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I don't expect Pakistani to believe that the terrorists are Pakistanis under any circumstances. The fact is that you will refuse to believe it and pull out an umpteen number of inane reasons why.
There is no point arguing.
As far as I'm concerned, unless the information changes, they are from Pakistan.
There is no point arguing.
As far as I'm concerned, unless the information changes, they are from Pakistan.
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Pakistan warns against jumping to quick conclusions
NEW DELHI: As Prime Minister Manmohan Singh accused India's neighbours for the terror attack, Pakistan warned against jumping to conclusions and
``making insinuations against each other''.
Pakistani foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi, who is in the middle of a four-day visit to India, condemned the Mumbai shootings but warned against jumping to quick conclusions. ``Today you are victims. We are victims of terrorism on a daily basis. We must cooperate at this time instead of making insinuations against each other," Mr Qureshi was quoted as saying. "It's a very sad incident but lets not jump to conclusions and cut a sorry figure. Let's show maturity. We will cooperate, I can assure you," he added.
The Zardari government has continued to say that it is also a victim of terrorism. Mr Qureishi, who offered to establish a hotline between the intelligence chiefs of the two countries for information sharing, referred to the Samjhauta blast. "The Samjhauta incident very clearly indicates that we have to be cautious. Our expressions and our insinuations have to be measured. Pakistan wants to cooperate. We have to face the common enemy in terrorism and it is a global challenge," he was quoted as saying.
But the Mumbai terror attacks have cast a shadow over the composite dialogue process. And in spite of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's tough message, the UPA government is expected to face criticism for its Pakistan policy and failure to push Islamabad on the issue of terrorism.
The joint anti-terror mechanism is yet to show any results and there has been no followup on any of the evidence that was shared with Pakistan on a series of serial blasts. In the last meeting of the joint anti terror mechanism, the two sides had discussed the bombing of the Indian embassy in Kabul where India suspects the role of the ISI. But Islamabad has continued to deny a Pakistan link and, sources said, the only concession so far is a promise to follow up on any evidence that India cares to share with Pakistan.
Anyway the composite dialogue process has been languishing for months till the home secretary level talks and foreign minister level talks took place this Tuesday and Wednesday. But this latest terror incident is sure to affect any attempts to revive the process.
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in his address to the nation had said that India would take ``We will take up strongly with our neighbours that the use of their territory for launching attacks on us will not be tolerated, and that there would be a cost if suitable measures are not taken by them.,'' he said.
But Pakistan watchers say that the government has failed to highlight the role of Pakistan based terror groups at a time when the international spotlight has been on Pakistan.
``This government has failed miserably in highlighting the role of Pakistan based groups particularly the Lashkar ...The home secretary level talks and joint anti terror mechanism when it comes to terrorism is a farce,'' said G. Parthasarthy, former Indian envoy to Pakistan.
Pakistan warns against jumping to quick conclusions- Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times
NEW DELHI: As Prime Minister Manmohan Singh accused India's neighbours for the terror attack, Pakistan warned against jumping to conclusions and
``making insinuations against each other''.
Pakistani foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi, who is in the middle of a four-day visit to India, condemned the Mumbai shootings but warned against jumping to quick conclusions. ``Today you are victims. We are victims of terrorism on a daily basis. We must cooperate at this time instead of making insinuations against each other," Mr Qureshi was quoted as saying. "It's a very sad incident but lets not jump to conclusions and cut a sorry figure. Let's show maturity. We will cooperate, I can assure you," he added.
The Zardari government has continued to say that it is also a victim of terrorism. Mr Qureishi, who offered to establish a hotline between the intelligence chiefs of the two countries for information sharing, referred to the Samjhauta blast. "The Samjhauta incident very clearly indicates that we have to be cautious. Our expressions and our insinuations have to be measured. Pakistan wants to cooperate. We have to face the common enemy in terrorism and it is a global challenge," he was quoted as saying.
But the Mumbai terror attacks have cast a shadow over the composite dialogue process. And in spite of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's tough message, the UPA government is expected to face criticism for its Pakistan policy and failure to push Islamabad on the issue of terrorism.
The joint anti-terror mechanism is yet to show any results and there has been no followup on any of the evidence that was shared with Pakistan on a series of serial blasts. In the last meeting of the joint anti terror mechanism, the two sides had discussed the bombing of the Indian embassy in Kabul where India suspects the role of the ISI. But Islamabad has continued to deny a Pakistan link and, sources said, the only concession so far is a promise to follow up on any evidence that India cares to share with Pakistan.
Anyway the composite dialogue process has been languishing for months till the home secretary level talks and foreign minister level talks took place this Tuesday and Wednesday. But this latest terror incident is sure to affect any attempts to revive the process.
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in his address to the nation had said that India would take ``We will take up strongly with our neighbours that the use of their territory for launching attacks on us will not be tolerated, and that there would be a cost if suitable measures are not taken by them.,'' he said.
But Pakistan watchers say that the government has failed to highlight the role of Pakistan based terror groups at a time when the international spotlight has been on Pakistan.
``This government has failed miserably in highlighting the role of Pakistan based groups particularly the Lashkar ...The home secretary level talks and joint anti terror mechanism when it comes to terrorism is a farce,'' said G. Parthasarthy, former Indian envoy to Pakistan.
Pakistan warns against jumping to quick conclusions- Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times
Did you guys Predict Marriott Bombings?
Update: A terrorist mobile Phone Found still getting calls from Neighboring country
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That's because it doesn't take a decade to interrogate a suspect, but only a couple of hours.
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You saw all those fat pot bellies in shorts holding WWII rifles and sticks going into fighting the guys with automatic rifles.
Now how capable do you think they were at actual investigations? They are probably the type of people you see in Indian movies, who take bribes of 10 rps. They are incompetent. After each attack they are momentarily under pressure. They have to give answers. Just say its Pakistan and all Indians accept it like sheep.
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I think this whole thing was too unprofessionally done to be the work of proper spy agencies like the ISI. Besides the ISI thinks ahead quite a lot, about what’s best for our country…these attacks are pointless as far as Pakistani National Security is concerned. Furthermore over the decades blaming Pakistan for everything has turned into a convenient way for Indians to pretend that everything at home is perfect with no separatist tendencies and that everything is basically handy-dandy. And most people in India tend to buy that along with the press and media. Pakistan needs to be vocal in expressing our unacceptability of unsubstantiated insinuations against our national institutions, otherwise the damage will be done even if no credible proof materializes in the end (as usual).
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There is no information!
We have confession from INDIAN terrorists. Sent to the media, non-governmental bodies.
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Just wait, Zardari himself will call and offer to give you all a hug.
Thats exactly my point! Its time we start looking into possibilities that it was another inside job.
Lets analyse who'd gain from this...?
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